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Happy and sad, don't know what to do

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BlondieLady · 09/10/2024 20:41

I have been married for 30 years. Very happy and loving relationship for the first 20 years. My DH has ED, won't talk about it or see a doctor. We haven't had sex for about 20 years. He is not interested in other ways of being close. We get on well but I really miss how close we used to be, I miss hugs and kisses. I have recently been meeting up with a man who I get on really well with. We talk and message a lot. We have hugged and kissed. He lives with his partner but they are not intimate. I know I should stop seeing him but I am finding that difficult. He makes me unbelievably happy when I'm with him. I also feel sad and long to be with him when I am not with him. I know the other option is to leave my DH but is that really the best option. My DH would be devastated and we would both lose our life together, our home etc for something that may not go any further. I don't know what the answer is. I really never thought I would look at another man, I feel in shock with myself but don't know how to come to my senses. Can anyone who's been in this situation give me any advice.

OP posts:
PTSDBarbiegirl · 13/10/2024 16:08

If your DH pursued help with ED would you want to continue. It sounds like there’s no interest in physical intimacy, that’s really sad for you. Maybe sad for him too, you could write a letter to him telling him you miss and need him. Try to change things with massage and holding hands. I’m sorry to say this other man is extremely unlikely to stick around if you break up your marriage. You’re a convenient past time to him. You have a right to be happy so if you are finished with marriage and want a new life be honest with yourself. You’ll feel better about yourself if you get rid of the background guy. Cheating is really shit and the guilt lasts. I’d invest in therapy as a non negotiable part of moving forward with your husband even if it means ending your marriage. Give yourself a break but please don’t continue investing in the other man.

jsku · 13/10/2024 19:02

VileNote · 13/10/2024 15:14

@jsku

"When young people tend to look at things in a black and white way."

Age doesn't equate with knowledge and a free pass to hurt.

Op, I assume you are not just gaining sex from this extra marital affair, you are gaining friendship, support, an ego boost and a secret life which is making you feel you currently have the upper hand in your marriage.
In short you are taking your husband for a fool and a mug, you are also doing this to his unsuspecting partner, who incidentally you know nothing about except the information that has come from him.

Twenty years is along time to not have sex but there are other ways intimacy can be achieved, many older couples navigate this and do have rewarding love lives, but it takes communication and the desire for both parties 'to give'.
Your resolution skills show me that you were probably not entirely 'giving' within the relationship yourself, it takes two to keep a relationship alive, loving and respectful, your h needed a careful approach to having a quite devastating condition afflict him, why in all these years have you both not communicated.
Any it's pointless now, your primary relationship is ruined and quite frankly I wouldn't be surprised if he already knows that your head has been turned, what a dark thought that he maybe in pain at this very moment whilst you wax lyrically about someone who is throwing his attention at you.

You seem to think being open and honest would ruin your family set up, are you not interested in your h's happiness.
Do you think your friendshp with this man would last if you took the sexual aspect off the table ? Sex is not the only part of a marriage, especially a long marriage, maybe your h would like a friend just like you have.

Maybe if you were to come clean your h could find a friend maybe his wife ?, they could support one another, through a shared pain they could really connect, hell it could even give him the confidence to be intimate with someone or seek solutions for it.
This could be your chance to give him some happiness in the marriage, imagine them both connecting being able to go out with one another, caring for one another without sex, interesting conversations, dinners, walks, affection and maybe even love, an emotional affair born out of a shared pain, how lovely that would be for them both, anything is possible once you open up things up to a level playing field.

Why not, take a chance, give them both the right to be able to have intimacy with someone else without the need for sexual health checks before because if I were them I would want to know.
You now currently don't have any right to want what you want without consequenses, you both took away your partners choices and rights, forget about what you need think about what they need. It's only fair.

You made these decisions without consultation, it appears you are sorted, I think the least you can do is be honest and set free your h to have the chance to spend his free time being loyal to another woman/person instead of you, because your loyalty doesn't exist.
Sorry it's not a post which validates your right to hurt people just because within YOUR marriage you had a problem and I doubt this is all about the sex, it's about your right to be selfish and disloyal.

Your marriage ain't worth much to you, but I bet your h operates on a slightly deeper level, and there are similarly deeper women who would probably find him and his loyal qualities very attractive.

@VileNote
Are you seriously suggesting its OP’s fault for ‘not being giving enough’????? And telling OP that she needs to think about his hapiness needed to support poor him through it??

Did you actually read OP’s posts where its quite clear that, as a typical man, he simply ignored the issues and haven’t tried anything - not even seeing a doctor. And then - cut put all affection. And - did not give a second thought to how that would affect the OP???

Your post is an interesting version of victim blaming… Or, else a page from a Stepford wife handbook…

VileNote · 13/10/2024 20:04

So let this be a lesson to you male partners and husbands if you ever suffer with ED do not expect your partners and wives to be faithful.

For there would be women like @jsku and op who would not deem love and marriage a strong enough reason to remain true.
No reassurance will be forthcoming no words of love, care, respect and desire for you would be gone, no encouragement of still being the man they desire and crave.
To be understood for your doubts about your masculinity, your insecurities and lack of confidence that would affect every fibre of your life.

You will be used as an excuse for any handsome man who can maintain an erection, and who will be placed above you with a higher value. No history of a shared past or children will come into the equasion or your friendship and love.

Love is a passing feature which will be gone if you become ill with additional symptoms.

What a sad and cruel view of love you have.

There are so many more ways to have intimacy and if you love, respect and care for your h then these options would have been your first choice.

Hettyre · 13/10/2024 20:27

Personally I’d just keep doing what you are doing but keep it discreet and watch those feelings!

Sashya · 14/10/2024 01:04

VileNote · 13/10/2024 20:04

So let this be a lesson to you male partners and husbands if you ever suffer with ED do not expect your partners and wives to be faithful.

For there would be women like @jsku and op who would not deem love and marriage a strong enough reason to remain true.
No reassurance will be forthcoming no words of love, care, respect and desire for you would be gone, no encouragement of still being the man they desire and crave.
To be understood for your doubts about your masculinity, your insecurities and lack of confidence that would affect every fibre of your life.

You will be used as an excuse for any handsome man who can maintain an erection, and who will be placed above you with a higher value. No history of a shared past or children will come into the equasion or your friendship and love.

Love is a passing feature which will be gone if you become ill with additional symptoms.

What a sad and cruel view of love you have.

There are so many more ways to have intimacy and if you love, respect and care for your h then these options would have been your first choice.

Why are you so obsessed with men and their pride? And telling women that their needs do not matter and they should just prioritise men's happiness?

Spouses of EITHER gender should not ignore their wives' and husbands' needs for 20 years. Physical connection is a big part of marriage, especially when people are younger. It is unfair to takes sex off the table in a marriage and not make any effort to compensate in some way. There are many options for the spouse who is having issues: seeking medical help; or opening up a dialogue on the effects of lost libido/performance ability on the relationship; suggesting open marriage; proposing other ways of intimacy so that their spouse do not feel unwanted/frustrated/ignored, etc.

Devastating as his loss of performance was on his male ego - that does not absolve him of thinking of how it affected his wife. And it was on HIM to do something about - but he chose not to, for 20 years...
I think OP has done her share of putting him first, over herself - for 2/3rd of their marriage, in fact. She has done her time - 20 years is long enough.

@VileNote - when you have lived for 20 years without sex, with a partner who completely ignores your need for physical touch and any intimacy - then you'll have a right to judge. But not before.

OP's marriage has been redefined by her husband, long time ago. It is based on companionship, children, life experiences, growing old together. Intimacy is not part of it, in any shape of form. He doesn't want or need it. In this setup - she is completely free to get those needs met in her own way. And it should not affect her marriage.

VileNote · 14/10/2024 02:27

Op should find a single man to shag, not intrude into another marriage.
Ideally tell her h, inject some honesty and allow him the choice to end their union, he may not be as devastated as op thinks about parting ways.

Twenty years of no sex and then it's time to meet her needs, why has op never gone down this avenue before, it's not like her boundaries are so firm that they couldn't be bulldozed over.

No after 20 years she decides to hook up with a married guy, every day lying to her husband and family not living an authentic life. So her h has not wanted to connect, op decided to put that to the side for the benefit of herself and her security, she has absolutely no idea whether this ap is telling her the truth about his wife, she only wants to believe he is in a sexless marriage and if he is, it's probably due to the fact her ap has been spending the majority of his life attending to apparently sex starved women like op.
Maybe she's one of many, hoards of women who havn't had sex for decades waiting for the call from Mr Servicer.

Do I believe any of it, not really.

Op will continue with her agenda, she may get caught she may not, but currently she has mentionitis and will say anything so she can continue a conversation of her falling in love with someone she shouldn't.

It will end and she will feel even more empty than she did before, if she craves intimacy so much she should make plans to change her life, not just cake eat at the expense of others.

No sex for 20 years does not give her the right to hurt innocent people, she should have attended to this problem years ago and left, this isn't her lover's wife problem, but it is now.
I would actually feel sorry for op if she had not decided to solve her problem by abusing another woman, along with her ap.

category12 · 14/10/2024 14:04

In this setup - she is completely free to get those needs met in her own way. And it should not affect her marriage.

That's not very realistic.

Op has gone along with the lack of sex for 20 years, so has accepted the redefinition as far as her spouse knows. Deciding to cheat is breaking the status quo. He would be quite likely to feel devastated and betrayed if he found out, however unreasonable that might seem.

I think people have an overconfidence about not getting found out.

It's quite likely that having an affair will have effects such as op being less emotionally engaged with her dh, being distracted, more critical of him.

Affairs generally mean resources from the joint household being redirected: time, energy, money.

Affairs mean lying to your spouse and often it becomes gaslighting them, which is an emotionally abusive behaviour.

While it's understandable that op craves sex and affection, it's not realistic to claim it shouldn't affect her marriage.

Mix in the AP also being married and there's twice as much possibility of harming the spouses and being discovered.

Sashya · 14/10/2024 16:30

It boggles my mind that people stop having sex with their spouses and then just expect them to also stop wanting it. And then claim "surprise" when it doesn't happen.

I went went off sex for a while when my kids were born. I was totally aware of the fact that my H can be understanding for a while, but I can't expect him to be a monk forever. After a while, as he tried to get me to address my lack of libido, etc - I wished he would just do whatever he needed with whoever.

Having this conversation in the open - (as some people on here seem so suggest as an easy solution) - was extremely difficult. It's not something easy to say to your spouse. It's something that is really difficult to hear from a spouse. And in the end - that causes unnecessary pain.
I just wanted not to think about sex, having or not having it. I wanted my marriage as it was at the time - and that did not include sex.

Whatever he did with his body for sex - was not something that concerned me.

So people on here who say he'd be "devastated" - project from their own idea of what they think they would think. No one knows for sure.
He may have assumed OP didn't have a libido. Or assumed she has been taking care of it discreetly for years.

Why should a marriage be defined as only one type of union. In the end of the day - marriages came about as an economic union to preserve assets and raise off-string. The more idea of marriage as a romantic and exclusive sexual partnering - is fairly recent. And does not really work that well - given such high failure rate as we have in the western society..

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