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Flakey friend

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RosieT · 15/12/2002 21:06

I'd appreciate anyone else's take/advice on my situation, which is this: I met another mum through a mutual friend a couple of years ago. We both have ds's almost exactly the same age, who get on really well and she's often helped out and looked after mine in emergencies, for which I've been extremely grateful. Although I like her, one major drawback, which I've ignored up until now, is the fact that she can be extremely unreliable. Frequently, we've made arrangements, which she's cancelled at the last minute (causing huge disappointment, needless to say, to my ds) ? or worse, pretended she'd 'forgotten' about and ignored messages left by me on her ansaphone. One of the reasons I've overlooked her unreliability until now is the fact that I know she's been on antidepressants since her ds was born, also her marriage is pretty rocky ? one minute she's poised to leave, the next they're back together again. I've also tried to help her out, by arranging for her to do work-experience at my workplace ? she hasn't worked since her son was born and I work in an area she's keen to get into ? she postponed the first week we set up, then didn't bother to get in touch to rearrange, despite the fact I'd gone to quite a lot of trouble to arrange a desk, some work, a security pass, etc. etc. Anyway, that's the background.
A few weeks ago, she mentioned she was organising a 'mums' Xmas outing to a show, & I said I'd love to go. It was for last week, so I arranged for a friend to pick up my ds from nursery, and my dh was going to have to leave work early (he has a long commute) to be home for bathtime. I rang the Friday before ? as usual, ansaphone was on ? to find out details, and asked her to call me. No call. Called again the following Monday, and thinking she might be away, left a message on her mobile, too. By Wednesday, the day of the show, I still hadn't heard, so I called again, leaving messages both on mobile and ansaphone. By 5pm, when I hadn't heard anything, I felt a little pd off, as I didn't know where or when everyone was meeting. I asked around at work, and one colleague suggested she'd forgotten to get me a ticket and was too embarrassed to say. At 5.30, dh rang to check whether he still had to leave early, and I told him not to bother, as something had obviously gone awry. At 10 to 6, as I was arriving at the nursery, my mobile rang ? it was Madame Flake to make arrangements. I told her I couldn't possibly get there now ? I'd left 5 messages & she hadn't called to tell me where or when ? how long was I supposed to hang on? I was a bit short (you know what nurseries are like at leaving time) ? but not at all rude. and said I'd call her later and we'd have to sort out something about paying for the ticket. Since then I've left two messages on both mobile and ansaphone, quite matey, but explaining that I really needed to know before an hour before the start of the show and there were other people like my friend who was picking up my ds and my dh, but she hasn't rung back. What should I have done?
I hate to just 'leave' a friendship in such an unsatisfactory way, but I'm stumped as to know what else to do. Added to which, I have a Christmas present for her ds, and my ds keeps asking me when he's going to see his friend.

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clucks · 15/12/2002 21:10

How irritating for you. I'd have no idea what to do for the best in this situation and would just act instinctively, my first instinct being one of rage at being messed about.

No good advice to give, but lots of understanding. Probably best to be nice, once you've got over the annoyance, the things we have to do for our kids' social lives.

anais · 15/12/2002 22:47

Not really any advice, but my suggestion would be that this is the dreaded depression again. When I was depressed I often said that I'd meet people/go out/whatver, and then when it came to it not want to do it. But also not have the guts to ring and cancel. I can imagine how difficult it is to cope with - I lost most of my friends because of it. I don't know what to advise you, but I'm sure she doesn't mean to make life difficult. Do you know if she's getting any help or support?

Tortington · 15/12/2002 23:01

sorry to be awful, but it sounds like your a better friend than she deserves. i would be there to listen to her as you are a good friend , but not put yourself in a position to be hurt or upset again.

Tinker · 16/12/2002 14:43

How annoying. If she's depressed, than yes, you obviously have to make allowances. But if it is not that, I would try to involve yourself less in her life. If there are ever any other nights out, arrange the details with another of the mums.

tigermoth · 16/12/2002 17:04

whatever is happening in her life, she is definitely messing you about - intentionaly or not.
Is she nice to you when she is not being flakey? If so, can you see her in situations which won't hurt you or your ds? eg: is she more reliable about visits to your house? I find some of my friends with children prefer one sort of visit to another - some like meeting for outings and others like home-based things.

Also agree with others here who say depression can make a huge difference to friendships.

But if your friend is plain unreliable all the time, then do any of the following fit?
sorry if this sounds a bit amateur psychologist

Does she see you as a last resort - if something or someone more exciting comes up, she'll cancel your arrangements? do you know if this is how she treats all her friends? for that matter, do you know any of her other friends well enough to ask in a roundabout way?

Is this unreliability a form of passive aggression? how much on 'your side' do you really think she is? is she genuinely pleased when things go well for you? could she be jealous of you?

Do you think for some reason she wants to get out of the friendship but is in denial about this, or can't face telling you?

I can see exactly why you don't want to leave this frienship hanging, especialy as your friend is depressed and your children get on so well. If I were you, I know I were you I would really want to talk this out with the friend even briefly and even if it ends with you saying a very curt goodbye. If your children get on so well, it seems such a shame she is not bothering to maintain your friendship in some way.

Why not get christmas over with and then try phoning again in the new year? It's such a stressful, busy ,time right now, that the chances of getting through to her could be thinner that usual.

Good luck and hope this is resolved soon.

bundle · 16/12/2002 17:10

RosieT, I felt that everyone was treading on eggshells a bit (even with the depression) regarding your situation..and then I read your posting properly...and got to the bit about you making arrangements re: paying for the ticket..and I'm now officially CROSS about it all. Tigermoth's comments are much more measured than anything I could say, and probably therefore more worthwhile listening to than my rants!

Melly · 17/12/2002 14:32

Agree with Bundle. If it wasn't for the fact that small children are involved here, I would have told her to f...k off, she sounds like a unreliable bitch.....sorry must be my raging hormones! However, it's difficult when little ones are involved isn't it, my gut feeling is that this person probably won't change and ultimately it might be worth cutting your losses now rather than putting your ds through more and more disappointments caused by this so called friend. Sorry to sound so blunt but do what's best for you and your ds. Good luck.

Melly · 17/12/2002 14:36

forgot to say, I would still give her ds the present, whatever the state of play is between the two or you. Perhaps you could buy her a giant Cadbury's Flake.....sorry I know that's completely unhelpful, am bored at work at the moment and mucking around like a naughty schoolgirl!

RosieT · 17/12/2002 19:44

Thanks so much for all your posts ? it was really good to hear from everyone. Tigermoth, I think you're absolutely right about getting Christmas over with ? always a difficult time for difficult conversations ? but I would like some kind of 'closure' (to continue in the am/psych line). So what I've decided to do is send present and card (being friendly, but perhaps mentioning it was a pity about what happened), and then ring in the new year.
The thing is, when she's not being a complete flake, I do quite like this woman, although as Tigermoth suggested, I don't want feel I'm someone's 'last resort' if there isn't anything more exciting in the offing. I was also going to suggest, by way of an olive branch, perhaps paying half the cost of the ticket (think it was about £25) ? or do you think this too mean/generous?

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Scatterbrain · 21/12/2002 19:56

Way too generous !!

I wouldn't mention it again - if she couldn't be a*d to call you why should you pay a penny ??

Agree that her little one should get his pressie though. You sound like me - way too kind and end up getting used ! Yes - I am bitter now !

sis · 22/12/2002 11:17

I think that for the sake of your ds you should ease yourself out of the friendship (at least for the time being)as it is so hard when your child is left disappointed and maybe feeling unwanted by people he/she thought were friends.

Sorry, don't mean to be unsympathetic about the effects of depression but you have to consider the impact on yourself, your dh and your ds etc. I think the fact that you have left a few friendly messages will allow her to contact you again in the future if she wants to and is able to sustain a more stable friendship.

breeze · 19/01/2003 08:40

RosieT, I have read this thread, and was wondering about the state of your friendship.

Having suffered PND myself I was a very unreliable friend for a while, i would sit at home and arrange my week so i wasn't in on my own too get into a state, but sometimes i would find at the last minute i couldn't face going out, but would always text to cancel.

Having said that i would have called you a lot earlier to sort out arrangement.

Have you sat down with your friend and explained how you feel, because i lost a friend when i was ill, instead of explaining how she felt SHE started messing me about, ending in her sending me a letter (very school like) saying i do not want to be your friend anymore because your a miserable cow lately. At the time i was gutted because we had ds the same age, Luckily i did realise who my real friends were and now i am better i feel like i am a much better friends, but saying that i know they would be there for me if i got 'ill' again

Hope you managed to sort it out with your friend.

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