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Missed out of wedding speech

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Elzibells · 30/09/2024 09:23

My older brother got married this summer. We have no other siblings and have always been close. He paid tribute to his wife, their daughter, our parents, his wife's brother and two of his close friends in his wedding speech but there was no mention of me. I was hurt by it at the time and he came to me afterwards and apologised. He told me the speech had been too long and he hadn't wanted to make it any longer. I reassured him and laughed it off because I didn't want it to be on his mind for the rest of his wedding day. We haven't talked about it since but I'm struggling to let it go. He talked about all the people that mean the most to him and left me off the list. I don't feel I can bring it up now that a few months have passed but it's eating away at me and making me question whether he even likes me. Am I being over sensitive? Any advice for moving on?

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Chersfrozenface · 30/09/2024 11:03

hairbearbunches · 30/09/2024 10:27

I think you know where this is going, OP. If the wife, your new sister in law, is on the 'cooler side of indifferent' towards you, expect your brother to be moved in to her family dynamic completely and his relationship with his own family to become cooler over time. If you were previously close, the new wife may be jealous of that dynamic. Some women would welcome you with open arms as another sister for themselves, others are insecure and see it as competition for their husband's attention. If he thanked her brother and not you, his sister, in his speech, sounds like she's already started making plans.

This.

Codlingmoths · 30/09/2024 11:03

People get weird doing wedding speeches, they lose track of things. My dh barely thanked me in his speech at OUR wedding, went on and on about how much his family meant to him and I’m standing there thinking umm what about the person you just married. It was years ago and he would deny it because he wouldn’t remember and he did say and my beautiful wife at the end but that was a total tack on to all the stuff about his family.

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 30/09/2024 11:04

I agree, it is really hurtful and still not clear why you got left out. The speech being too long is no excuse; how long does it take to say 'Thanks for my wonderful sister Ann'. But your relationship is good enough for you to tell him you're hurt and he's said sorry. There's nothing more to be done now except be glad to have a brother you're fond of and stick around in his life.

harrumphh · 30/09/2024 11:05

Elzibells · 30/09/2024 10:31

You're right, I was never in the speech in the first place, it wasn't a case of being flustered which I would totally understand.

Okay then yes I would be very hurt by that. It wouldn't have taken more than another 30 seconds to include you in it, and to include friends over you also seems harsh.

I'd leave him out of the next thing I was arranging, but then I'm petty like that.

AnywhereAnyoneAnyTime · 30/09/2024 11:11

People are giving the brother far too much credit here.
He didn’t forget to mention the OP, he deliberately chose not to mention her, and then made a point of telling her that she’d deliberately been excluded.
It would have been an extra five seconds in his speech.
I’m not sure it’s worth mentioning to him because she won’t get the truth, and truth often hurts, but let’s not pretend that this was an oversight when the exclusion was planned.

GrumpyPanda · 30/09/2024 11:14

librathroughandthrough · 30/09/2024 09:31

Did you read it as if the OP was in the speech but the brother forgot to read that part? I read it as if she was never mentioned in any draft as he knew he was excluding her and it was not an error?

Certainly sounds like it. To add: for people who aren't used to public speaking, it's really easy to misjudge how long it will take to deliver a pre-written manuscript in direct speech. I've seen enough conference presenters get flustered, panic and cut out crucial parts of their presentation because they dawdled too much in the beginning. Only way to avoid this is to chop the whole thing up in segments of say 5min and time each of them separately.

Spinet · 30/09/2024 11:16

I totally get being hurt, I would be too. If you think this is indicative of you drifting apart and you would like to change that, take positive action to do things together and rebuild the relationship. Fight negativity with positive action!

GrumpyPanda · 30/09/2024 11:17

Elzibells · 30/09/2024 10:31

You're right, I was never in the speech in the first place, it wasn't a case of being flustered which I would totally understand.

OK that does change things rather substantially... not good!

FFSWherearemyglasses · 30/09/2024 11:17

You are absolutely justified to feel a bit put out if you had to point out to him that you weren’t mentioned forcing the apology

If, however, after the event he had an “eeek- I forgot you didn’t I?- I’m so sorry moment” I think that shows self awareness and that it was a genuine mistake.
Either way, I think you’ll just have to let it go but your feelings are valid 🥺

SomewhereAround · 30/09/2024 11:18

I'd be asking myself why exactly it was bothering me so much in your shoes. You say you're close, so why is it niggling?

Commonsense22 · 30/09/2024 11:21

He apologised at his own initiative so you have to let it go. Speeches ate complicated and he realised in the moment he messed up.

TheGreenKnight · 30/09/2024 11:25

This!!

Ginganinja123 · 30/09/2024 11:25

This happened to my SIL at my BIL’s wedding (so her brothers wedding) and it was awful. He mentioned all his other siblings except for her. I was only with my now husband about a year then but even I cottoned onto how obvious it was and why she burst into tears. Just nasty if you ask me. I don’t know why on your wedding day, the supposed happiest day of your life, you go out of your way to hurt people??

KnittedCardi · 30/09/2024 11:28

My Dad forgot to mention me 😭

Most of the speech was about DM, and friends...... I suspect she wrote it for him 😡

Still salty 35 on.

Rooroobear · 30/09/2024 11:42

It was too long so he didn’t mention you??
What bs…..how long could it possibly have taken to say, thanks to my sister, x, love you or something like that….5 extra seconds

FrauleinGreen · 30/09/2024 11:45

Elzibells · 30/09/2024 09:51

I would say she is on the cooler side of indifferent towards me

As everyone said you do have to let it go, perhaps he was appeasing his wife in some way, only mentioning her family and your parents.
People can be very odd ( and I mean the wife) don’t take it to heart any more.

you've already said she is cool, it is her loss.
Shes clearly not that nice., but you are

AW24 · 30/09/2024 11:47

I read it as if she was in the speech but he cut her out to keep it short.
It say he let you out cause he thought you'd know and he thought it was ok.

Deadringer · 30/09/2024 11:47

Speeches are a matter of form though aren't they, thanking people even if you don't give two hoots about them. It's a shame he didn't think to include you, but you know how he feels about you and its time to let it go.

AutumnTimeForCosy24 · 30/09/2024 11:51

Thebellofstclements · 30/09/2024 11:00

What would be the point of that? Do you think he should break down, plead with the OP, beating his chest crying "mea culpa!"
It's one very busy, often not pleasant day, when he had to go round doing pretty unnatural tasks and he messed up one small part. If his own sibling can't forgive him that then it's a pretty poor state of affairs.
The OP is being very over sensitive and making the brothers wedding all about themselves.

The poor groom apologised at the time!

@Thebellofstclements He didn't 'mess up' one part of the day. Preceding the wedding day, in the months he had to write his speech HE CHOSE to leave his sibling out. He CHOSE to include his BIL, he CHOSE to 'shorten his speech by a few seconds by leaving his only sibling out.

A hasty sorry I left you out to make it shorter'. Is not even an apology, let alone a good one.

stop being utterly ridiculous, adults can give meaningful apologies without beating their chests & breaking down.

He has really hurt her, the very least he can do is give a heart felt apology acknowledging that.

Chersfrozenface · 30/09/2024 11:54

perhaps he was appeasing his wife in some way, only mentioning her family and your parents.

It certainly sounds like he was appeasing his wife. And the reason for doing so looks as though it's because his wife dislikes the OP.

Either because she dislikes the OP as a person, or is jealous because the siblings are close.

Neither bodes well for the future.

MushMonster · 30/09/2024 11:58

Elzibells · 30/09/2024 10:31

You're right, I was never in the speech in the first place, it wasn't a case of being flustered which I would totally understand.

That is really painfull OP.
Either he thinks you will forgive him anything in this world, because you are so close, and he takes you for granted, which is bad enough.
Or you are further down the line in priorities than the brother in law and friends....
Naming you will take 5-10 seconds. That is it.
I do not agree with others putting it on the bride.
It is all on him and only him.
Have your parents commented on it? If you were my children I would, once he is back from honeymoon.

Has he changed the relationship with you in any way? If not, I would let it go.
If yes, take the reins here. Call him out on his changes. Do not allow him to put you aside in the same way again.

Glowey · 30/09/2024 12:24

FrauleinGreen · 30/09/2024 11:45

As everyone said you do have to let it go, perhaps he was appeasing his wife in some way, only mentioning her family and your parents.
People can be very odd ( and I mean the wife) don’t take it to heart any more.

you've already said she is cool, it is her loss.
Shes clearly not that nice., but you are

I agree.

He was appeasing his wife.

Although it was conscious and deliberate action by your DB - I see him actively coming to you to apologise as something to salvage even though it was disingenuous.

Your DB has moved on.

Dont fall into the spiteful trap set by your 'cool' SIL.

She wants you to react - so she can paint you as unreasonable and irrational and do damage to your relatiobship with your DB.

Remain dignified. Tend to your hurt.

Dont bring it up with your DB - it will achieve nothing.

Either step back and regroup or kill her / them with kindness and warmth - that will not be what she was expecting but what your DB may be grateful for.

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