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(TW: homicidal DH & loss of life) Do they ever change??

20 replies

emmalolo · 17/09/2024 23:21

Hi, long time lurker. Just wondering is it useless for me to hold out hope my violent DH will change?

Backstory: I was with my husband forever, since 2006. He was the only person I ever dated. It was a religious marriage. I begged not to have to marry him and told my parents how scary he was, how he'd swerve the car at random pedestrians and scream cursing at them like a lunatic, how I didn't feel safe sometimes, but nothing I told them was ever enough for them to take my side and encourage me to get out of the dangerous relationship. And this only became worse after marriage.

And the violence got worse. There were nights I had to sleep on the floor locked in the bathroom to be safe. There were assaults that left me with years of backpain, concussions, and I could honestly look my parents dead in the eyes and say "I'm lucky to be alive", still my parents didn't take it very seriously, they told me not to complain. They were the only ones I confided in for the longest time, I was an introvert, not someone to open up to friends who seemed to all have normal lives in comparisson.

My life on the surface looked fine. He eventually became a PhD and we bought a house very close to my parents. This was needed so I had a safe place to go during DH's meltdowns, especially once our two LO were born. I was frequently takintg them to my parents for safety, a few times a month it seemed. Sometimes we were less lucky and had to wait out his tantrums while reading a book or playing with stuffies in another room so they stayed distracted, I always protected them from the trauma as much as I could.

They say it takes 7 attempts to leave a violent partner on average. For me that number is more like 707 attempts. Usually my parents would just send me back to my abuse. My parents have 15 grandkids besides mine, seven of whom they are very involved with, so we often felt unwanted there, like a burden.

My parents have wanted me to stay in the marriage for fear me and my two little ones would become even more a burden on them. I talked to an attorney about my safety concerns in 2020, sparing the details I worried were too incriminating. He urged I get a protection order - I didn't know what that was. When I asked my family if I could stay with them for safety while my ex was served the protection order, they refused and even warned my ex what I was planning!! He was furious when he found out and the violence got worse and worse.

That was attempt number 707 for me, my last attempt. I gave up escaping him after that. I was very pregnant at the time, and DH decided after I had talked to an attorney that he didn't want to have any more kids with me. He would even say how he didn't want the baby or me before his assaults which (TW!!) resulted in the loss of life on 10/10/2020 when my nearly 6 months along baby boy was lost. Some of his assaults while I was pregnant I even have footage from. Here in Washington State, it's not enough to have heaps of evidence when a crime took place a few years ago, although I have waned to report it since the separation, my attorney advises against it. Both attorneys want my ex to continue working so they can contimue getting paid, it's a very corrupt system!! The legal team who is working my case made national news recently because they did not take a mama and her children's safety seriously and the dad showed up at their elementary school and shot the mom and one of their children, then the police chased them to Oregon where the dad shot himself when confronted. So this doesn't help me feel any confidence in hoping me and my kids will be safe. I can't help but feeling like we'd be better off going back to him, especially if he has changed. . .

What finally caused me to break free from my ex was he got sloppy with his assaults one night in 2022. Instead of shaking me to death from the throat, may head was getting bashed against a bookcase leaving huge bloody bumps. Eventually found out I had a TBI - everything went blank in my head. TBI is the number one cause of death, often belated. . .I have definitely never been the same since the TBI. I wish more people understood TBIs and I wish I understood them better too. If I'm doomed to this life as a homeless cripple who may or may not be fading from this realm, and all that matters to me is protecting my children, and he is given more custody of them. . .then my only option is to get back with my DH, is it not?

Part of me can't stop wondering if I should get back with DH, if only so I can protect my little ones and maybe even help DH finally actually change, after 17 years of my begging. I haven't been able to talk to him in almost a year now and this was the only person I talked to for over half my life. Like I'm 99% sure he'd be more than happy to undivorce. I just wish he could be stable!! Do homicidal DHs ever get better?

What if all this separation and court dates have been a wake up call to him - I have no way of knowing because the protection order prevents any communication between us!! How is that helpful?? I just want to know if anyone has been through a violent marriage where their partner changed completely?

My parents tell me my dad use to have a violent temper with the kids, never towards my mom, but that he took anger management and changed. Therefore they want me to feel encouraged that my homicidal ex will change too. Yet I have had a doctor warn me, she has seen MANY violent cases, that if my ex ever lays hands on me again, which is something that always seemed to happen, like a cycle, then it's game over. DV always escilates, she says. But my dad is better. . .granted he was never homicidal or psychotic.

I just want to go back to always being with my kids! This has been a very long year. What if my DH will agree to safety measures so me and the kids are always safe and he finds meds that calm him down and he really sticks to them this time?

Going from never worrying about money to having to worry whether I'll have a house to live in next year or if I'll be able to keep my kids safe makes my broken head spin all the more. 😵‍💫

Anyone with insight on any of this, please share.

Like I really don't want to end up a homeless cripple and lose the only two people who matter to me - my little ones. It doesn't help DH has turned his family and our once mutual friends against me, he says I cheated and worse, despite that I waited months after the separarion to date and despite the obvious violence he committed. It's shocking how many people will defend homicidal violence because the guy says his ex is crazy and makes up all kinds of lies. Too much to keep up with. I can't defend myself, if I could maybe I would never have gotten a TBI from him to begin with. Just getting through a basic day without feeling like my head will explode is a win.

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WetBandits · 17/09/2024 23:26

You cannot and must not reconcile with this man. He will kill you.

I’ve had a quick Google and this seems to be a DV helpline for your state.

wscadv.org/get-help-now/

hellacool · 17/09/2024 23:43

I have a friend who was in a similar situation.

Very cultural and religious family. She married a waste of space who turned out to be a massive abuser. The police were called many times, however nothing got done to address it. Even after a severe mental health breakdown, where she was hospitalised, her family sent her back to him. It was all about the shame it would bring on their family if she were to divorce him.

In the end, she made her own plan and get herself and her children out of there and had a long, drawn out divorce. Her family didn't speak to her for a few years, however they're now back in touch.

Best thing for you to do is make a plan to get the heck out of there to protect your children and yourself, whether that be with your family's help or through a DV charity.

nocoolnamesleft · 17/09/2024 23:46

I am so sorry. The only way in which they change is that they escalate. If you return he will kill you. And who will protect your beautiful children then?

emmalolo · 18/09/2024 00:39

Thanks for the response! Where I live abusive men do get custody quite a lot. If my ex were to have any further custody, the only way I could be around to protect my kids would be to get back with him it seems, or I'd at least have to drop the protection order. He got me to do this once before and his ability to snap from "calm" to psychotic is very unsettling. I would imagine he would behave better now that his behavior has been exposed, but he seems too far gone. I have never met anyone as terrifying as my ex, yet no one else but me and my kids have ever seen it. He controls himself when other people are around. When I try to explain this family it's like they would rather me believe I'm weak for having to divorce him, than see the abuser for what he is. My kids should not have to deal with him ever. There needs to be supervisors or monitors at least!!

My poor babies came back from a recent visit and said they didn't feel safe and that their dad was screaming at them in the car and he was yelling "mean things" about mama. They cried telling me about it and rarely cry like that. The a few days later my son came into my room crying saying he had a dream that his dad killed me. :(

I know there are SO MANY reasons to keep the protection order and keep fighting for custody, but why do my attorney's not want me to report any of my ex's crimes to the police? Like I literally have proof he steals meds from his place of employment, but they tell me not to let it leak or he'll lose his job. . .like duh, he should lose his job!! He belongs in prison. The kids have said they wish he was in prison so they'd feel safe. Every night they want to make sure we lock every door because they are afraid their dad will break into the house - he did last year before I had a protection order. :(

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emmalolo · 18/09/2024 00:48

Thanks, I have reached out to local DV advocates who helped me get thr protection order, but my ex quickly got it modified to allow him more access to the children than he has had in the last two years. The lady who made this judgement is a newisn commissioner who favors abusive men, she was a public defender most her career and seems very clearly bias. She spent 90% of court defending my ex and did not even go into the domestic violence when she granted my ex custody. I was cut off from all funds and had an attorney take my case last minute pro bono, but she seemed to not care about the violence either. She wanted me to not even get a protection order!! And the very bias comissioner I was told I am stuck with her for my entire divorce. :(

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RaspberryParade · 18/09/2024 03:38

"Part of me can't stop wondering if I should get back with DH, if only so I can protect my little ones and maybe even help DH finally actually change, after 17 years of my begging."
NO NO NO NO NO NO For the love of god no. He will kill you, or cripple you or your kids. Your poor children.
I cant advise you because I dont know where you are, but there must be a feminist DV phoneline or something like that you can discuss this.
Dont talk about it to your parents anymore, they are forcing you to play out their script. You have a right to a safe life and they have completely failed in their duty to protect you.
I am begging you do not even consider returning to him.
You CANNOT change him. Dont be a martyr its a complete waste of your life and your childrens.

XMissPlacedX · 18/09/2024 04:13

If you get back with him he will kill you, then your poor kids will not have you in their life to protect them at all. If he hasn't got you to hate ( because your dead) then he will replace his hatred of you onto one or all of the kids. God op, I'm so sorry. I hope time goes quickly for you and your kids grow up and stop contact with him. I honestly don't know what to say, what an absolutely horrific situation for you.

emmalolo · 18/09/2024 18:04

Thanks for the responses, I am talking to my kid's G.A.L. today, but I fear she is already bias against me - she made the judgement calls that got a local mom and her child killed, google "wiley school shooter". The fact she and my attorney didn't advocate for the safety this family, and now they are deas is scary. The mom was a lot like me, we talk to DV advocates and have protection orders and when we tell people the hell we have survived they don't WANT to believe it for some reason, even though I would never make these kinds of things up and only share them because I desprately want them to change the parenting plan to include safety measures, like at least supervised visits and how my ex still has all his guns is disgusting. It is the wild west here in Benton County, Washington.

All I can ask is for prayers at this point. Prayer is the only reason I'm still breathing and the love and assurances I feel from above has been the greatest love that never abandons me and my children. All things, even the terrible things, will work together for our ultimate good. The author of everything authorizes everything, from alpha to omega, nothing is random. Love others and be loved. Protect other and be protected. Judge no one and let no one judge you. Give compassion and you will recieve compassion. Please pray for us! ♡

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Zanatdy · 18/09/2024 18:34

Good God OP, please do not even consider getting back with this guy. Your DC need their mum alive and around for them, not dead. A family member of mine and her 7 month old baby died when they went back, at the hands of her violent ex who decided if he couldn’t have them, no-one could. We don’t get another chance at life, this is it. Please continue to protect your DC from this guy, and yes report him, he killed your child.

Keroppi · 18/09/2024 18:41

If I were you I would be moving state and starting again.

emmalolo · 19/09/2024 03:29

😭😭😭Today went terrible. The G.A.L. who is suppose to protect my children HATES me!! Long story short, I was aquaintances with her BFF and her BFF hates me so because I talked to a guy she liked. . .she is a 40 year old acting like a pathetic kid and when I texted her begging her not to turn my G.A.L against me she never responded, even when I explained this is my children's SAFETY, it's fine if she hates me but do not jeopordize their futures please!! To which I got no reply. I then explained my concern to the G.A.L. in an email, to which I got no reply. I finally met her today and she tore into me asking if I cheated during marriage by talking to some guy who lived far away about my DV. . .um, no that wasn't cheating, it was free therapy. Then she kept accusing me of being a racist and a Nazi because she buys into my ex's retarded lies. Obviously they are completely false! Then when I tried to talk about the DV she GASLIT me!! I just have "too much anxiety" and there is no way to PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt that my TBI was caused by DV and she even told me she didn't believe my baby was lost at six montha because of the DV!! She is on a power trip and it's obvious her friend that HATES me influenced her judgement. What in the world can I do??

How is this NOT a conflict of interest?! It is the definition of one!! I told my attorney I was worried it was a conflict of interest ahead of time, but just said "Oh, she'll withdraw if she feels there is conflict of interest." Obviously there is and obviously she is not withdrawing. It must make her feel pretty powerful ruining the lives of children and their mothers!! RIP Wiley School Victims. . .how is she still practicing as a G.A.L. after allowing THAT to happen. I feel so doomed and any moment I have had to myself I can't stop the tears. I was crying as I talked to her and she just kept talking down to me. She even DEFENDED my ex stealing from the pharmacy and giving marijuana to the kids. She said 'Wait you think it's a big deal that a MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL who knows exaclty how to dose drugs was giving your children stolen medicine?" Wow she is so in love with my homicidal ex. . .it's disgusting!

What if I tell my attorney, obviously she wants to date my ex, so I guess we gotta let her go. . .that's another layer of the conflicted interest!

Before the call she kept asking to be sure I wasn't recording. . .now I sure wish I had!! She was grilling me with irrelevant questions trying to get me to accidently lie!! For example she told me a very specific courtdate and the outcome and then asked me if this had happenned, yes or no. . . then if I tried giving the best answer I could to things she'd say, why no straight answers? She use to be married to a cop and is also a private i. . .how does this make her good at keeping kids safe?

Good suggestion about disappearing! I wonder if I could disappear somewhere?? I seriously haven't considered it really. Is there like an underground rescue for mama's with littles like me? 🥺

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Aroastdinnerisnotahumanright · 19/09/2024 03:37

You need to find someone to advocate for you because right now your story isn't getting out. Can you try other DV charities or helplines, or another lawyer? Perhaps write to your state senator or similar about the conflict of interest.

Try to gather evidence like his pill stealing and those phone calls.

emmalolo · 19/09/2024 04:12

Thanks, first I'm cancelling her visit here tomorrow. She just randomly invited herself for a home inspection with no warning. Plus I truly have a sore throat, headache and feve - my body really doesn't handle stress well. Custody battles are troture and me and my bebs have already been tourtured enough! When does a custody battle ever end?

Huh, I never thought to write a senator. I think first I'll try calling my attorney, maybe I can explain just how awful she was and that there is CLEARLY a conflict of interest.

Being gaslit about the TBI and having a TBI is double trouble. 😵‍💫 The G.A.L. is suppose to weigh in on the children's wellbeing, what she said to me was "plenty of people with TBI get jobs", (I was put on disability last assessed, but she thinks I'm faking it?) Why does the G.A.L. want me to get a job? Already planning her life with my ex, sounds like.

Where is my prayer team? Pray to the universe or any diety you like, but please pray for us! My kids are amazing, I couldn't believe her accusing me of not hugging them or being unaffectionate. . .WTH? Did her friend who hates me really paint me so poorly? This is criminal. ♡♡♡♡

Oh I have evidence, but my attorney tells me not to give any to the police - if my ex loses his job they all lose a job.

The most satisfying part if I were to undivorce my ex, before he murders me, would be firing all these family law gremlims who profit off of making terrible judgements since it guarentees repeat business. They don't care how much it hurts the bebs. :(

Anyone know a nice place to move to?

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Holidays78 · 19/09/2024 04:24

OP I'm so sorry you are going through this. Whatever you do don't get back with your ex for not only your sake but your children's x

Petitchat · 19/09/2024 04:36

Just get out of that area completely. You will work out what to do re finances and lodgings.
Just get out now.

The last straw for me was when my ex husband tried to set fire to me.
Your ex could try this and it could be the end.

Please get out of there. You will find some help somewhere.Flowers

emmalolo · 19/09/2024 06:26

Wow, I can imagine my ex killing me in so many ways, often those thoughts are hard to avoid, but never fire. You are amazing!! The thing is, courts did a temp order that gave my ex 20% custody, I think temp orders don't expire until the final order is placed. So even if I did go off the grid somehow, I'd be considered the criminal. It's like there is no winning. 😭😥

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SiobhanSharpe · 19/09/2024 06:55

I would disregard the legal advice not to go to the police, that is shocking especially if you have evidence.
Report him for all the DV and the other criminality, with all the evidence you can gather. Photos, medical reports and hospital dates, anything and everything.
Then leave. Can you go to a women's shelter in your area?

emmalolo · 19/09/2024 18:56

I agree with your advice about going to the police, except the G.A.L. who treated me like I was a criminal today, she is married to the police who I would report to!! The layers of curroption are deep where I live. It was heartbreaking to hear my 6 year old sobbing and saying "I wish dad was in prison so then we could feel safe!" 😭

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Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/09/2024 15:42

I'm so sorry for what you've been through and are going through. He won't change and please call an abused woman's charity and find other survivors in your area to befriend and support you. I'm so sorry your parents and your husband let you down so much, you're so so brave and I'm so sorry for what he did to your child xx

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/09/2024 15:43

Ps I thought a book called 'how to annihilate a narcissist in the family court' was helpful

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