Would you stop court ordered contact if you had genuine safeguarding reasons to do so?

[RevellReveal]

Not going to provide wider details but child has disclosed physical and emotional abuse to resident parent, school, police and GP.
Resident parent has already put an application in for variation of contact order but is waiting for hearing date. Resident parent still needs to comply with current order. Child is utterly traumatised going to contact and comes back retraumatised. Resident parent has taken child to every contact so far as they are scared as they have been threatened by Cafcass with transfer of residence to abusive non resident parent.

Would you have stopped contact by now? No authority will say breach an order but the Police have recorded they have advised resident parent to keep child with them whilst investigations are underway.

Anyone been in this position?

Are you able to disclose age of child and length of contact?
Regardless, my initial response based on what's been written is no, I would not continue contact.

No I wouldn't let them go . What the hell is wrong with cafcass !😡

Of course you don't send them

Surely the police advice overrules the contact order?

Police advice is the advice you take. Keep the dc safe. Keep them home.

Surely if you have police advice to cease contact, Cafcass can't switch residency? That seems ridiculous.

I'd cease citing the police advice

You should follow Police advice, Carcass should also expect you to follow Police advice. The 'threat' from Cafcass does that pre-date the current allegations, if so have you spoken to them and sought updated position? I'd be very surprised if there is an active police investigation and advice for child not to see the IP during that time that Cafcass would go against that or not at least look to contact being supervised in the interim.

Would I send my child somewhere they're being abused? Doesn't really need an answer does it?

Did you start another thread about this where you were considering setting up contact from school?

I couldn’t imagine a scenario where police would advise this…..I work within childrens safeguarding…..if police attend an incident we always get a copy of a police report….it may say …..perpetrator advised to leave property…..child safe when police left …..they then pass onto children’s services and every agency gets a copy of the report they send to children’s services…..eg gp, school….then it is the mash who will decide whether to no action the incident…l.or take further…..the police have never in my experience advised a parent to keep a child away for an extended period of time…..it’s not in their remit to do this…..they don’t have enough information…..nor do they want it

Yes I would stop contacts

But I would box clever.

You don't need a full frontal battle here.

I would be using a variety of excuses/situations

Eg the child is ill and her GP appointment is at handover time
The child has fallen and possibly broken her wrist and you are at minor injuries getting it X rayed

What legitimate reasons are there for stopping contact? Find them and use them.

@RevellReveal You do not need to adhere to court order once you made a court application to vary! I have been through years of family court proceedings and a hardened battle axe by now. Family court will maybe say how unfortunate that contact couldn’t take place but you won’t be penalised etc. especially not if you truly believe what child has said states the truth and police and GP are involved. Get a copy of Go records now, as that took a while for me. You may want to apply to attach these records to the application you sent in. Good luck!

Depending on the age of the child I would get the child into therapy/play therapy. Therapist can be called as a witness to court.
Keep reporting concerns to social services and GP over and over, get everything on record.
Unless the child is very small, then if they resist going to contact, for example they refuse to get out the car or enter the house/contact centre, then you can't physically make them. As long as the resident parent 'makes them available' then they are not at fault if the child refuses to go.
The court system and cafcass are diabolical.

I’d not let contact take place, just use a vague reason for now, that is based on the truth for example child had a bad night and is very tired, child seems to be coming down with something and needs to rest. I wouldn’t lie about going to A&E about an injury, you could get caught out and the lying would not do you any favours.

Not been in this situation but I'd contact the duty social worker or out of hours and report as a matter of urgent safeguarding. If you think any child is at risk you should report. Contact school too and reiterate your concerns and that you contacted SW.