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Best friend has abandoned me now I have a baby

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Moomin · 12/12/2002 23:32

This one might take a while, so bear with me!

Have been friends with a girl for 15 years now, since college and over those years we've been very close. We've both been through marriage break-ups and various relationships traumas and have been able to support one another through these times. We've always lived a fair way from one another but at the height of our friendship we thought nothing of spending every weekend toegther, one of us driving for 2 hours on a Friday to be with the other for a bit of mutual support and then back on a Sunday night.

In the past 6 years we've both remarried and are very happy in our relationships. Two years after remarrying, my friend moved back to her home town, much further away than before. Visiting was obviously cut right down, but phone calls were regular and very long.

I've always known she wasn't very keen on ever having children whereas I knew I was but it had never been a problem until it actually happened. She actually cried when I told her we were trying for a baby! One reason was that she thought out relationship would never be the same again and another was that she felt I'd be leaving her behind, making her feel isolated and somehow "freaky" for not wanting kids. She's often said that she finds the whole idea of having a baby so alien that she wonders if she's abnormal in some way. She also feel that society is against her and that having kids is the "norm" and not to is seen as strange. I only think this applies to previous generations and that these days it's actually seen as a valid stand to choose not to have children voluntarily.
Anyway, when I was pregnant she came over to visit and I was surprised how interested she seemed. When dd was born she sent a lovely pressie and always asked after her when we talked on the phone.

However, in June, when dd was 9 months, I decided to visit my friend (with dd but not dh who was working). The visit was a disaster. The whole time I was there I was made to feel that dd was somehow a nuisance, e.g. I asked to have the heating down (when dd had sweat rolling down her neck) or had to put off a walk because it clashed with dd's nap or meal, etc. At the end of the visit I broke down and said how awful they had made me feel. My friend got very upset too and apologised but admitted that she found it really hard to pretend she was interested or even tolerant of dd. She then admitted she had been diagnosed as being depressed and that she was feeling even more isolated from most people with children and the so-called "norm". When she told me that she wasn't in the least bit interested in dd I said I wasn't exactly interested in her hobbies and the details of her job, but as a friend I listened and supported her! It's like because of the way she feels about children, my views aren't valid. We made it up before I left and I let a lot of what she said about dd go, because my friend was so unhappy generally.

She didn't get in touch again until Sept, when she rang, full of the joys of spring and told me she's been offered a job half way round the world and she was moving out there after Xmas. I told her I was happy for her (which I am) but then I haven't heard from her again since then. I know she's been busy organising her move but I feel like I've - or rather dd - had to bear the brunt of her unhappiness and her rather brutal and hurtful comments. This bit makes me feel like I'm being an overprotective mum, which I'm sure she wouldn't have thought would happen, purely because she can't feel how I do about my dd. I've grown very resentful over the past month so I emailed her last week and told her just how p**ed off I was feeling and why. Not surprisingly I haven't heard back. She's going in 3 weeks. I don't want or need her friendship back, which is something a while ago I could never have imagined saying. I don't even want to talk to her after airing my views in the email. Why do I feel like this? Will I regret it when she's gone?

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Tortington · 15/12/2002 23:24

bad mamma - if a friend doesnt like children becuase they havent got any and says as much then sorry they are not a friend. in fact true friends just know these things, i have a best friend who was ultimatley suppportive of me when i had children and she didnt and at the time didnt particularlty like them either!, and now mine are older and hers are babies and she knows i am not a "baby" person this doesn stop us from being friends even though i love her kid to death. true friends just know these things, they dont need explaining or apologising for - u like me - i have kids even if u dont like them they will always be there!

Moomin · 15/12/2002 23:48

Just had a few mins to think and can now add this:
To those poeple who suggested I meet up with my friend, I can't because she lives too far away (a plane or ferry ride) and in 2 weeks she'll be moving to halfway across thw world, so it's not an option.

And I think we've got some crossed wires here: those of us who have had experiences with friends dropping us when we've had babies aren't wanting our friends to love our kids as much as we do - well I'm not at least. I'm feeling put out because she's assumed I'm less of a person just because I've had a baby. That's the hurtful bit.

In all our phone conversations I didn't mention dd until I was asked about her and offered only information that was asked for. I KNEW my friend wasn't interested and that's why I made an effort to show her our friendship didn't necessarily have to change. The problem came when I went to stay and she resented the fact that we couldn't just "gloss over" dd's existence like we could over the phone and personally, I think that's a bit one sided on her part. I don't want my dd fawned over - I just want to be treated like someone who still has a brain but also has a different aspect to my life as well.

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elliott · 16/12/2002 09:41

chinchilla, my comments were not particularly addressed at you personally, they were simply triggered by your description of your friend's lack of enthusiasm in your pregnancy, in which I could recognise something of myself. Of course I don't presume to know you, or to understand fully the circumstances of your friendship - I'm sure there is far more to that than can be adequately summarised in a few paragraphs.

Clarinet60 · 16/12/2002 12:31

moomin, I know exactly what you mean and I don't know why you have been misunderstood. I have a couple of friends who behave exactly the same way re 'glossing over' my childrens existence, and I now see them as little as poss. IMO, there is little else you can do but just let things fizzle out naturally for the present time. Who knows what the future will bring. It is very hurtful though. Incidentally, I had reservations about both these friends prior to children. Perhaps the baby issue just brought things to a head and showed that we were mismatched. I don't know. In any case, I wish you well and hope you don't feel too hurt.
xxxxx

Tinker · 16/12/2002 15:18

Re: inviting childless friends to birthday parties.

This is tricky isn't it. When it was my daughter's 1st birthday, I had 4 friends who always got invited to all dos, so felt I had to invite them all to her party (which was to be an excuse to get p*ed, not to talk about children). But one didn't have children, and to complicate it, she was the one who always said she did want kids. But to not invite her would have been a very pointed gesture. She would have known why she wasn't being invited.

Onadowner · 16/12/2002 16:14

Sorry - only just read replies.

Badmamma, if you had read my posting carefully, you would se that I said that I had NON-baby related misdemeanors (which we non-baby related) in the past that many other people had dropped her for.

Also, she was not in the hairdressers on the day of DS's party. I bumped into her there and she ignored me (inexplicably I might add) and therefore I have never received any explaniation as to why she did not show up.

I ma no baby bore, believe me and no I do not expect others to feel that DS is great (because I know he's not all the time).

If you want to forgive 'friends' toime amdn time again for the rest of your life, all power to ya.

I don't live like that!

P.S - I invited her as she was my B/F. There were other people there too who had no children and were quite happy!!

Onadowner · 16/12/2002 16:18

Sorry for typo- I meant I had forgiven her for non-baby related misdemeanours in the past.

Must be the fury making my typing rubbish - grrr!

Clarinet60 · 16/12/2002 21:49

I've tried to solve one of these problems by only inviting other mums to my kids parties and making their birthdays quite low key with childfree friends. This year, I didn't even invite grandparents. They just came on the day and we had a little family party of our own. I made his 'real' party on a different day and said that he was just having some of his little friends round.
Everyone seemed happier, as in other years, gramps have seemed uncomfortable surrounded by screaming kids.

Moomin · 16/12/2002 21:57

Before I had dd I was allergic to kids' parties, although I loved the kids of my mates when they were in normal circumstances! My other very close friend who has a little boy has done the same sort of parties for a couple of years now. She invites a handful of his friends and sets the garden up for lots of running around, bouncing and being generally bonkers while the parents sit the other end with snacks and wine having a good old goss. She used to warn me when the bonkers bit would be and it was up to me when I arrived. Previous to dd I'd come just as the kids were fizzling out. Last year I came early with dd in the pram and really enjoyed the whole thing.

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Bozza · 16/12/2002 22:22

Bit off the subject of the thread but I tried to do the same thing as Droile for DS's party but just ended up with the in-laws (MIL, FIL, SIL, BIL) turning up twice. I find my childless friends tend to be interested in DS on their terms and it can all get a bit difficult when they think they're being helpful and they're not etc. And it would be nice if they came to visit me a bit more instead of me having to drag DS to visit them all the time. Sorry better stop there I can feel a rant starting and I'm not being at all helpful to Moomin.

Clarinet60 · 16/12/2002 22:55

Bozza, yes, I'm really fed up having to drag them to other peoples houses all the time!
Glad it's not just me.
Then you have to sit on tenterhooks hoping they won't trash the place, then tell them off too much ..........

Chinchilla · 16/12/2002 23:05

I think that Badmamma said it herself on another thread...she admitted liking a fight. The thing is that people come onto this site for open friendly discussions, often about problems. These people can talk about things that they might not feel able to talk to a friend or relation about. I am one myself. We post our problems, and expect support, or at the very least, tactful and considered replies. Not every one will agree with the responses, or even the original posting, and it is their perogative. However, any dissenting comments should not make any of the posters feel bad or as if their problem/reply is not valid.

Moomin and Onadowner - Hope you feel better about the loss of these 'friends' soon. I still feel sad about mine, and waver between making a conciliatory gesture towards her and leaving it. I think that it has gone too far now, so my advice would be to save if now if it is worth saving. If not, savour the friends who ARE there for you, and don't regret any actions you have taken.

Bozza · 17/12/2002 13:21

Glad (sort of) that I'm not alone Droile. The thing is about these childless friends is that they have no idea how much easier it is for them to just jump in the car and go - compared with the expedition that those of us with kids have to mount. And only having DS to worry about I'm in awe of those of you with 2 or 3 babies/toddlers to manage.

Onadowner · 17/12/2002 18:14

Tx Chincilla. Have now calmed down a bit.

My 'friend' did the same thing to another good friend of mine last year, and this person has really supported me though a tough 6 months (due to other things as well).

So, yes, I really do appreciate those I can rely on in a crisis.

Have a blinding Christmas and New Year!

Feelingleftout1525 · 10/07/2022 22:22

I used to hang around with a handful friends since 10 years ago. Four years back, I am married with a 1 yr old. I have phased one girl out of my life since she doesnt vibe with me for 2 years. As the girl and I are out of contact, my friends dont invite me to their meetups and created a different whatsapp group where I am not on and I am out of the loop. I feel left out and meet the rest of girls individually and feel uncomfortable to address why they left me out. They openly post their meetups in social media. Surely, they do not care how I feel. Has anyone been tgrough this and what is the best action of course?

Iprefergin · 11/07/2022 00:03

Feelingleftout1525 · 10/07/2022 22:22

I used to hang around with a handful friends since 10 years ago. Four years back, I am married with a 1 yr old. I have phased one girl out of my life since she doesnt vibe with me for 2 years. As the girl and I are out of contact, my friends dont invite me to their meetups and created a different whatsapp group where I am not on and I am out of the loop. I feel left out and meet the rest of girls individually and feel uncomfortable to address why they left me out. They openly post their meetups in social media. Surely, they do not care how I feel. Has anyone been tgrough this and what is the best action of course?

This is a 20 year old thread!! Probably best to start your own one xxx

Catlover1970 · 11/07/2022 00:18

badmamma · 15/12/2002 18:49

Have you never thought Moomin that you might have been boring your friend to death, going on and on about your child? I mean, why do we expect our childless friends to care. Why do we have to prove to them how cute/clever/wonderful our kids are? And be so outraged when they are nonplussed. Other people's children, even if you have your own but particuarly if you don't any, are incredibly snoresome. Get a babysitter and meet up with your friend on your own. MIght do you good to be with grown ups and talk about something other than your DD.

Got to agree with this

saraclara · 11/07/2022 00:34

I emailed her last week and told her just how ped off I was feeling and why.

She told you that she was depressed and not coping. She has a mental health condition. Why on earth would you send her an email like that?

It's really really shit to get that sort of email. I got one once and I'm mentally healthy. It rocked me to my core, and because it was an email it left me feeling that I wasn't able to reply properly or discuss the problem. I just got a page of criticism in black and white, out of nowhere, and I'm still not over it.

It's cowardly and cruel to send an email instead of actually talking to someone. And to do so to someone who has depression? For all you know she hadn't been in touch because her mental health had deteriorated. I don't know what you got out off doing this, to be honest.

saraclara · 11/07/2022 00:36

This is a 20 year old thread!!

Dammit!!!! 😡

Alivekicking · 11/07/2022 00:49

😂😂😂Gosh MN's been around forevaaa. The DD's an adult now!

MushyPeasPrincess · 11/07/2022 10:12

Zombie 🧟‍♀️ thread alert!

imperialminty · 11/07/2022 16:58

I have a bit of a mental block about the women I know with children. I’m at an age where it’s just starting to happen around me and I have to admit I struggle to spend one-on-one time with the mums I know. My SIL and a good friend both had babies last year and I really can’t see past them being “a mum” now. It’s really upset my fiancé at times (as it’s his sister) but I just don’t find her the same anymore - it’s like she’s crossed over into another world. They become more like friends of my Mum felt when I was little. I’ve been doing some work on it in therapy etc. and I think a lot is to do with how society treats women once they become mothers - they seem to lose all identity. I find that quite scary and I find hanging out with people my age who are mums makes me feel a bit suffocated. I don’t like it and actively try to change my thoughts but I think society has a lot to answer for.

I also HATE how many people say I must be broody or am I practicing when I’m spending time with their babies. That massively puts me off spending time with them as well, as I’m so not there in my life yet.

imperialminty · 11/07/2022 16:59

oh my god I hadn’t realised how old the thread is!!! I wasn’t even at secondary school when it was written!

how embarrassing 🙈

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