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Trying to define stalking and harrassment

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Ariani · 13/08/2024 22:47

Last year I met a man during a social event with friends and after agreeing to meet again for a drink, I starting dating him. A nice man to start with, but after a while, things began to unravel. About two months into dating him, he arrived at my house one weekend as planned and immediately informed me that we didn't need to worry about the distance anymore, because he had just agreed to rent the house at the bottom of my street! This was alarm bell number one.

Despite my confusion at such a hasty decision. I gave things the benefit of the doubt and continued to see him.

As the weeks went by I began to realise that he had quite a few issues. It all came to a head when I realised this wasn't working for me and I mentioned not really wanting a serious relationship, in the hope that I could break things off gently while it was still in the early stages, but he flew off the handle and started shouting at me, complaining that he had given up everything for me and I would ruin his life if I left him! This was the biggest of alarm bells as we had only been dating for for about 4 months at this point. It was not a relationship. I hadn't agreed to be in one. We hadn't even spoken about it. We were simply going out for meals and had visited a few local beauty spots.

I'm quite a shy person who hates conflict and somehow he convinced me that I should keep seeing him. I think it was at this point that I realised he was quite controlling and potentially a threat to me and I wanted out.

I anxiously rode out the next few weeks but knew I had to end it before things got out of hand. But I started to become increasingly scared of him. So during a day trip out. I plucked up the courage and told him that I have really enjoyed the last few months but I am not in the right place for a relationship. He immediately lost it again. But I stood my ground. Once he realised my decision had been made, his reaction then turned from agressive guilt to threats.

He told me he would ruin my life for ruining his. He said he would make false allegations to my work to get me sacked. He threatened my elderly parents and threatened to kill my dog before storming off and leaving me and hour from home.

That evening after I finally got back home, I saw the police and an ambulance arrive at his house. He had dialled 999 and threatened to commit suicide, because of me!

The next morning he turned up at my front door crying, begging me to take him back. I explaiend to him that he wasn't with me to be taken back! We were only dating. And every time I said I'm sorry but I don't want to be with you, his behaviour changed and he began making threats against me, my property, my job and my parents, who he had only met once.

This went on for another three days and nights before I called the police. They visited his home and informed him that if he didn't leave me alone he would be arrested.

This seemed to have an impact at first. But then, two weeks later, I was hauled into the managers office at work as someone had sent an annonymous email complaining about me.

He then began emailing me at work threatening me of If I didn't reconsider and take him back. I told work what was happening but they didn't seem to care too much.

The emails continued every day and night for the next 3 weeks. They started off trying to make me feel guilty and then turn into threats. But eventually they stopped. But I then started to notice damage to my car at first, and then to my house. It started off as mud being thrown and also what looked like excrement on my car bonnet and windscreen and on my front door. Then I noticed scratches and little dents. I called the police again but they said there wasn't any proof it was him and advide me to get CCTV.

I decided to get a camera doorbell fitted. This seems to have had the desired effect. As the damage stopped. Unfortunately I never caught him in the act as he clearly saw I now had a camera.

Eight months down the road and he is still living at the end of my street. There are no longer any attempts to contact me. But he is always standing in his living room window staring at me when I walk passed. And he waits in his car in the morning for me to drive to work so he can drive right up behind me to intimidate me. He made a comment to one of my neighbours a couple of weeks ago saying that he will be renewing the tenanacy on the house he's renting in October because he wants to make sure I get whats comming too me!

When I was at my parents house recently, I noticed that someone has cut a hole in their garden fence and cut back the bushes to in oder to make the hole. I have now installed CCTV at my 77 and 82 year old parents house as I am taking the threat to them very seriously. I called the police to tell them again, but they said again there was no proof it was him.

To say I'm fed up of this is an understatement. Why is he sticking around? Why is he fixated with me after so little time? Is there anything I can do to get him to leave my street? Surely deliberately staying in a rented house just to intimidate and threaten someone is illegal.

I'm sick of feeling anxious all the time. How do I make this stop?

Ari.

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zazazoop · 13/08/2024 23:16

This sounds awful OP. Could you get cctv installed in your car too? Driving close after you would help to build a case of stalking and harassment against him. Could you also speak to a solicitor to see what legal steps can be taken to get him to back off? I would also consider getting an alarm and panic buttons installed as well as a dog. Do you own your property - can you move easily? Have you also spoken to women's aid? They may be able to help?

zazazoop · 13/08/2024 23:17

Just to add police are over stretched but a solicitor or legal representative may be able to help too

Amsooverthis · 13/08/2024 23:17

I would visit the police station with everything you have written down here. I went to the police in what I would say was much less serious circumstances than this and they were very thorough and proactive. Present yourself in person rather than phoning, that might make a difference. Sorry to hear what you are going through.

Daleksatemyshed · 13/08/2024 23:18

How horrible and worrying for you @Ariani . Please get in contact online with the National Stalking helpline or the Suzy Lamplugh Trust who can give you some good advice. Men like him have personality disorders or mental health problems and he can't see his behaviour as unreasonable. I'm so sorry you're having to live with this.

zazazoop · 13/08/2024 23:18

I agree very much with the above comment. Go in person as a matter of urgency and tell them what you've written above it's very serious.

Mumlaplomb · 13/08/2024 23:28

Hi, lawyer here, this is definately harrassmemt due to the number of incidences. He should be arrested and charged to be honest. The emails could be investigated. Please keep all texts, emails etc as evidence and maybe speak to women’s aid for some further support. You should be able to either get him charged and bailed to stop contact or a non-molestation order from the civil courts if you see a solicitor.

HowIrresponsible · 13/08/2024 23:49

Sounds very baby reindeer

VibeVanguard · 14/08/2024 08:03

Contact the Suzy Lamplugh Trust. They have a helpline and advisors who will support you with getting the support you need:

www.suzylamplugh.org/stalking-help-and-advice

solice84 · 14/08/2024 08:09

HowIrresponsible · 13/08/2024 23:49

Sounds very baby reindeer

Exactly what I thought and I bet he is known to the police where he used to live as there is no chance this is the first time he's done something like this .

WelshMoth · 14/08/2024 09:11

Hope you're ok OP.

Ariani · 14/08/2024 17:48

zazazoop · 13/08/2024 23:16

This sounds awful OP. Could you get cctv installed in your car too? Driving close after you would help to build a case of stalking and harassment against him. Could you also speak to a solicitor to see what legal steps can be taken to get him to back off? I would also consider getting an alarm and panic buttons installed as well as a dog. Do you own your property - can you move easily? Have you also spoken to women's aid? They may be able to help?

Thanks. Looking into car cameras. I might take advantage of a solicitors free 30 minuntes. I do own my owh home, which makes it harder. But I wouldn't move. I want him to.

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Ariani · 14/08/2024 17:50

Amsooverthis · 13/08/2024 23:17

I would visit the police station with everything you have written down here. I went to the police in what I would say was much less serious circumstances than this and they were very thorough and proactive. Present yourself in person rather than phoning, that might make a difference. Sorry to hear what you are going through.

Ageed. I'm going to go in and speak to them in person.

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Ariani · 14/08/2024 17:50

Daleksatemyshed · 13/08/2024 23:18

How horrible and worrying for you @Ariani . Please get in contact online with the National Stalking helpline or the Suzy Lamplugh Trust who can give you some good advice. Men like him have personality disorders or mental health problems and he can't see his behaviour as unreasonable. I'm so sorry you're having to live with this.

Thank you. I've been on the National Stalking helpline and read some good advice.

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Ariani · 14/08/2024 17:55

Mumlaplomb · 13/08/2024 23:28

Hi, lawyer here, this is definately harrassmemt due to the number of incidences. He should be arrested and charged to be honest. The emails could be investigated. Please keep all texts, emails etc as evidence and maybe speak to women’s aid for some further support. You should be able to either get him charged and bailed to stop contact or a non-molestation order from the civil courts if you see a solicitor.

Harrasment or stalking? The definitions on the National Stalking helpline website make defining the two clearer. Which was what I'm looking for.

"Stalking can consist of any type of behaviour such as regularly sending flowers or gifts, making unwanted or malicious communication, damaging property and physical or sexual assault. If the behaviour is persistent and clearly unwanted, causing you fear, distress or anxiety then it is stalking and you should not have to live with it."

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Ariani · 14/08/2024 17:56

HowIrresponsible · 13/08/2024 23:49

Sounds very baby reindeer

I've never heard this term!

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HowIrresponsible · 14/08/2024 17:57

Ariani · 14/08/2024 17:56

I've never heard this term!

Its a TV show. Involving what you've described

It's on Netflix

Ariani · 14/08/2024 17:57

solice84 · 14/08/2024 08:09

Exactly what I thought and I bet he is known to the police where he used to live as there is no chance this is the first time he's done something like this .

I've now discovered that he does have a criminal record for assaulting an ex. He pushed her down some stairs when she tried to break up with him.

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Ariani · 14/08/2024 17:58

WelshMoth · 14/08/2024 09:11

Hope you're ok OP.

Thanks. I'm determined to put an end to this.

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samanthablues · 14/08/2024 18:04

You need to take photos of everything: the shit on your car, the scratches, the hole at your parents place, voice mails, messages etc.. you need to make a folder with all the evidence as you may need to take this issue a step forward and for the police to take you seriously. This man is deranged and dangerous. The “good news” Is he has a criminal record which adds a lot of weight to your case. Good luck and sorry to hear what you’re going through. Many years ago I went through something similar and I felt terrified.

Ariani · 14/08/2024 18:04

HowIrresponsible · 14/08/2024 17:57

Its a TV show. Involving what you've described

It's on Netflix

Just watched the trailer. I wish my situation was that comical.

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Ariani · 14/08/2024 18:06

samanthablues · 14/08/2024 18:04

You need to take photos of everything: the shit on your car, the scratches, the hole at your parents place, voice mails, messages etc.. you need to make a folder with all the evidence as you may need to take this issue a step forward and for the police to take you seriously. This man is deranged and dangerous. The “good news” Is he has a criminal record which adds a lot of weight to your case. Good luck and sorry to hear what you’re going through. Many years ago I went through something similar and I felt terrified.

I'm sorry you went through this too. How did you make it stop?

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Mumlaplomb · 14/08/2024 18:13

Ariani · 14/08/2024 17:55

Harrasment or stalking? The definitions on the National Stalking helpline website make defining the two clearer. Which was what I'm looking for.

"Stalking can consist of any type of behaviour such as regularly sending flowers or gifts, making unwanted or malicious communication, damaging property and physical or sexual assault. If the behaviour is persistent and clearly unwanted, causing you fear, distress or anxiety then it is stalking and you should not have to live with it."

Hi - sorry it’s been a while since I’ve done criminal law. It looks like the initial things were harassment as he was doing them to try and get you to carry on dating him, then it’s become stalking. Definately seek support as suggested and speak to the police as they need to action it, especially if he has a past record

MrsDoylesTeacup · 14/08/2024 18:16

So sorry you're going through this, as he's renting could you contact the Landlord (you can find this via the Land Registry if you download the title) or the Letting Agent and put in a complaint about him? They may do nothing but it may make them think twice about renewing his contract.

Ariani · 14/08/2024 18:20

Mumlaplomb · 14/08/2024 18:13

Hi - sorry it’s been a while since I’ve done criminal law. It looks like the initial things were harassment as he was doing them to try and get you to carry on dating him, then it’s become stalking. Definately seek support as suggested and speak to the police as they need to action it, especially if he has a past record

No appologies necassary. Thank you so much for looking into for me. I will go into my local police station tomorrow with as much evidence as I can gather.

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samanthablues · 14/08/2024 18:23

Ariani · 14/08/2024 18:06

I'm sorry you went through this too. How did you make it stop?

I was living in the US at the time, I gathered all the evidence (including graphic emails describing how he was going to slice my throat), I went to the police with everything, he got a call from the detective stating any more harassment and he would get arrested. My stalker was a “prominent” quite known figure (and a narcissist), he didn’t want the bad publicity so he stopped as to not look “bad”, his image is everything, he didn’t want to tarnish it by getting arrested so he stopped stalking me.