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Unwanted secret discovery

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JuniperOlive · 10/08/2024 10:09

I discovered my partner of more than a decade has been going behind my back and I would love to hear other people’s opinions on how they would react to this. So one morning a few days ago my partner (father of my three children) left his work computer screen on whilst he popped out - usually this is always signed out. I was tidying his desk and glanced at the screen and noticed it was on his emails but not his usual personal email address or his work email address but a different account that I never knew about and it was full of emails from porn sites along with a few investment emails, property bits etc which made me knew for sure it was definitely his and in current use.

I was absolutely devastated, it felt gut wrenching to see. I consider myself very relaxed in our relationship, I let him see his friends any time, go out wherever and whenever he likes, if he doesn’t come home and says he’s at a friends I believe him - he has never given me a reason not to. I don’t check his phone, I’ve never had a reason to, I fully trusted him and he was the same with me. I considered the trust element of our relationship very healthy but now I don’t. I wouldn’t have been this hurt if I had seen some porn history on his computer (depending on what I had seen) as this has happened before early on in our relationship and I was upset and we did speak about it and he said he wouldn’t do it anymore if I was unhappy. I consider myself pretty liberal all things considered, I used to watch porn before we met but I wouldn’t do it now as it doesn’t feel right, if I am in the mood I feel it is him that I should turn to rather than the internet and I thought he felt the same way but clearly not.

The email address was completely random, not linked to his name or anything familiar at all and the emails we verification emails to 5 different porn sites, 3 of which were a.i “deep, realistic” ones without going into too much detail but not just two people having sex, rather simulating you having sex with the person on screen with an image you upload and other email was verification for an app which I cannot seem to find much information about. There were also a couple of emails asking for refunds for subscriptions and to close an account so I knew he was actively using these accounts. My first thought was why do this, we have a good sex life, he knows I would be upset and he has tried to hide this so knows this is wrong and my second question was why sign up to these, why pay for these, you can easily access free porn so you what is so special about this that he has gone to this much effort. The emails were all recent too, within the past few months.

Immediately I packed an over night bag for myself and the kids and thought stuff it I can’t deal with this right now I’m off for a few days. I saw him come home as I left, he looked very guilty and shocked, I told him what I sore and he straight away lied and said it’s not my email account it’s a spam account, that then changed from those were spam emails (they weren’t) and then it changed to I was curious and it was only once and I was mortified - this doesn’t equate to making 5 different accounts to me.

I feel betrayed, he’s gone behind my back and lied and now I don’t trust him, now I am wondering what else he’s been doing behind my back and lying about. I don’t feel I deserve to put up with this, I want to be treated like a queen and for my partner to come to bed with me to be with me not some stranger on a screen. Am I overreacting? Would I be stupid to turn my children’s lives upside down and split because of this? I might add too that he called me the C bomb and stormed off the night before when I calmly questioned a DIY decision he had made so it’s not like he exactly treats me nicely a lot of the time.

Please give me some ideas opinions on what other people feel about this situation.

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DustyLee123 · 10/08/2024 10:11

So, years ago, you discussed porn and he said he wouldn’t do it again. But he’s done it again. So yes, end it.

kittybiscuits · 10/08/2024 10:17

You're obviously very shocked. Do you think you would want to try and stay in the relationship if he's willing to be honest?

You say you are very liberal, but that is not how you come across in your post. You say you 'let him' go out. I'm not sure about expecting to be treated 'like a queen'. None of this, though, justifies his dishonest behaviour. Have you got a trusted person to talk to, or would you think about seeing a therapist to think about what you want and need?

Cartwrightandson · 10/08/2024 10:35

Did he upload a photo to the AI porn site? If so whose photo? A close female friend? A Facebook friend? It's like cheating, because he's imagining having sex with her and he's used their photos

seriesoffortunateevents · 10/08/2024 10:38

kittybiscuits · 10/08/2024 10:17

You're obviously very shocked. Do you think you would want to try and stay in the relationship if he's willing to be honest?

You say you are very liberal, but that is not how you come across in your post. You say you 'let him' go out. I'm not sure about expecting to be treated 'like a queen'. None of this, though, justifies his dishonest behaviour. Have you got a trusted person to talk to, or would you think about seeing a therapist to think about what you want and need?

This.

JuniperOlive · 10/08/2024 10:38

The last thing I want in for our children to come from a broken home as I did myself and it was hard and I did feel damaged emotionally by the parents divorce but I never judge others for separating so I don’t know why I’m so hard on myself. We have had to try extremely hard over the years to make it work, our love does not come easy but we do always learn and grow from our arguments but I don’t know if we can from this one, it feels different.

When I say I am liberal I mean I know a lot of people do watch porn, I do understand it and although I we did discuss at the start of our relationship that we wouldn’t do that I guess I don’t expect maybe once in a while we may have watched some porn when we were going through a dry patch but we aren’t and this just feels different. Going about it in a sneaky way using a different email account, why does he need to make accounts when he would type porn into Google and watch it for free without signing up to anything? Is he speaking to other women on the websites? Whose image is he using in these strange a.i websites? I don’t think he was just watching some pretty black and white lesbian porn I think it was far more than this because why go to this much trouble? Does that make sense?

And when I say treat me like a queen I mean I want him to come to bed and seek pleasure from me, not spent until the early hours of the morning watching porn after calling me a C* for seemingly no reason and then lying about it when I catch him out. I feel that’s the least I deserve really when I spend my days raising our children very well, keep our home lovely and trying my best to keep him happy. What makes it worse is that he knows this would really hurt me right now. I suffered terrible birth trauma and have had bad PTSD since 18 months ago, he watched me nearly die twice and I’ve had to walk the hardest road since so he knows this is kicking me whilst I’m already down. It’s very tough and I just wish he hadn’t had done any of this as it’s really not what we need to be dealing with on top of other stress and worry.

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seriesoffortunateevents · 10/08/2024 10:40

JuniperOlive · 10/08/2024 10:38

The last thing I want in for our children to come from a broken home as I did myself and it was hard and I did feel damaged emotionally by the parents divorce but I never judge others for separating so I don’t know why I’m so hard on myself. We have had to try extremely hard over the years to make it work, our love does not come easy but we do always learn and grow from our arguments but I don’t know if we can from this one, it feels different.

When I say I am liberal I mean I know a lot of people do watch porn, I do understand it and although I we did discuss at the start of our relationship that we wouldn’t do that I guess I don’t expect maybe once in a while we may have watched some porn when we were going through a dry patch but we aren’t and this just feels different. Going about it in a sneaky way using a different email account, why does he need to make accounts when he would type porn into Google and watch it for free without signing up to anything? Is he speaking to other women on the websites? Whose image is he using in these strange a.i websites? I don’t think he was just watching some pretty black and white lesbian porn I think it was far more than this because why go to this much trouble? Does that make sense?

And when I say treat me like a queen I mean I want him to come to bed and seek pleasure from me, not spent until the early hours of the morning watching porn after calling me a C* for seemingly no reason and then lying about it when I catch him out. I feel that’s the least I deserve really when I spend my days raising our children very well, keep our home lovely and trying my best to keep him happy. What makes it worse is that he knows this would really hurt me right now. I suffered terrible birth trauma and have had bad PTSD since 18 months ago, he watched me nearly die twice and I’ve had to walk the hardest road since so he knows this is kicking me whilst I’m already down. It’s very tough and I just wish he hadn’t had done any of this as it’s really not what we need to be dealing with on top of other stress and worry.

I think maybe take yourself off for a few days so you can calm down and think rationally again. You’re not in that place.

JuniperOlive · 10/08/2024 10:41

That’s what I can’t help but wonder, whose face did he use? Why did he need to use the face of a specific person and not just watch some random pornstar. It’s really hurt me, I feel betrayed like he’s cheated on me but is that right of me to feel like that? I don’t know.

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seriesoffortunateevents · 10/08/2024 10:43

JuniperOlive · 10/08/2024 10:41

That’s what I can’t help but wonder, whose face did he use? Why did he need to use the face of a specific person and not just watch some random pornstar. It’s really hurt me, I feel betrayed like he’s cheated on me but is that right of me to feel like that? I don’t know.

Maybe find out more first?

JuniperOlive · 10/08/2024 10:48

Thank you for everyone’s responses. I have spent a few days with my parents and have told them everything, they didn’t say much just listened and said all the right supportive things. The same when I told my best friend, she agreed that it seems different from finding out he’s watched porn, that would still annoy me but it’s the going behind my back with a secret email account and going to that much effort that has baffled me, she agreed and just again showed me kindness, love and support. It’s hard because I know no one can tell me what to do, that it’s subjective, every relationship has different boundaries but I still can’t help but just want someone to tell me what to do in this situation. It’s so hard and feels so unnecessary, it doesn’t feel necessary for him to do this.

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gettingbacktobeingmeagain · 10/08/2024 10:52

For me, the issue is not so much about the porn as about the fact that you can’t trust him any more. And once that’s gone it is very difficult to get back, I’m so sorry.

Ponkpinkpink15 · 10/08/2024 10:56

@JuniperOlive

putting the porn stuff to one side, did you look at the property/investment stuff?

the porn stuff, especially the depth of it & ai aspect would upset me, BUT the other stuff would worry me more for my financial security for me & the kids.

theduchessofspork · 10/08/2024 10:59

If porn is unacceptable for you - fair enough, but packing your bags and upsetting your kids by storming out is not the way to handle it. Have a discussion with him and if you can’t resolve it, have an organised civil separation - this is the minimum that’s fair to your kids.

However, if you used to use porn it’s odd it bothers you so much. Your comment about wanting to be treated like a Queen seems telling here - is it perhaps less about the porn use, or concern about the ethics of the porn industry, and more about a blow to your ego?

If that’s the case, then I think it’s worth reminding yourself that fantasies about other people are totally normal, using porn is far from unusual, and there’s no reason to suppose that either reflects on his feelings about you given you have a good sex life.

Beyond this, everyone is entitled to privacy, and you violated your husband’s. I understand you’d jointly agreed he wouldn’t use porn, but (again given your Queen comment) it’s possible that from his POV this was less a conversation than a dictation from you.

At this point you both owe each other an apology - you for invading his privacy, starting a fight rather than a conversation and dramatically packing your bags, him
for calling you a cunt and storming out. You also need to apologise to your kids about letting a row with Dad get out of hand (assuming they realised what was happening).

If you can’t discuss this sensibly with each other, then get some marriage counselling. Overall OP you do need to grow up and accept than everyone has private bits of their lives - you can control no one but yourself.

On a final note, why on earth were you tidying his desk?! He can do that.

Azandme · 10/08/2024 11:04

What if it was your pic he uploaded? Perhaps he did it post birth trauma because he didn't want to come to you with his needs.

It may be this, it may be the next door neighbour. The point is you need to communicate - really communicate, and then decide what to do next.

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 10/08/2024 11:08

Would I be stupid to turn my children’s lives upside down and split because of this?

Yes. You don't get to police how your husband masturbates.

I might add too that he called me the C bomb and stormed off the night before when I calmly questioned a DIY decision he had made

Surely this is a far bigger issue? You're focussing on entirely the wrong thing IMO.

rwalker · 10/08/2024 11:12

The problem is u were ok with porn now you’ve done a u turn you expect him to

he’s lied for a quiet life because you’ve changed the goal post

JuniperOlive · 10/08/2024 11:23

For myself personally I watched porn when I was young and single, it doesn’t sit right with me to watch it in a relationship as I know that would make my partner feel like he isn’t good enough and he is good enough that’s why I don’t feel the need to watch it, I do think these things vary from relationship to relationship and we did agree not to go down the route of watching porn from early on in our relationship. Also, I am a busy mum of three I have no time for that.

The treated like a queen comment has definitely been taken out of context, I mean I want to be treated right and this to me isn’t the right way to be treated. If this were my daughter I would be upset and say he should treat her better than this and she deserves more, however, when finances are intertwined and children are involved it becomes so hard to spectate. Not to mention over 10 years of love, happiness and memories that I cherish deeply.

I didn’t hurt my kids at all by leaving, they were going to be staying on my parents boat for a holiday anyway and mummy surprised them by coming too, they were thrilled. They didn’t want to come home, didn’t ask about him once and had the best time ever. Far better than if they were home with us both. We always put our children first, we both come from difficult childhoods and hurting our children is something that we never cross the line with which is why they were oblivious and happy, my partner was kept up to date with how they all were and exactly where we were and I shielded my emotions until after they had gone to bed. None of this is their fault so I would never expose them to anything.

I always tidy his desk and everything else because he is super messy and lazy - I wish I didn’t have to! I don’t feel like I violated his privacy really as it was open on the screen in front of me, I didn’t have to do any digging. Now I wonder what I would find if I did go digging, if I did question his whereabouts on certain occasions. I thought we had a really good open relationship, good communication and trust which is why I am so devastated.

The property and investment stuff was what I already know about. The finances are the main reasons I feel I can’t leave as the kids would have a very different life and I don’t feel I can do that to them. It’s all so hard. I just know I am an honest parent, loyal and my heart and time lies with our family and I don’t think his does now. Financially I am ruined as I am a stay at home mum, unmarried and the house is in his name.

I fear the trust has gone now and I don’t see how we get back to that but I love him so much and I love our family and I love our life. I definitely don’t love being called unkind names which does happen more than I feel is normal and I don’t love this weird a.i porn thing I have discovered, it’s so hard but thank you for responses.

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seriesoffortunateevents · 10/08/2024 11:31

it doesn’t sit right with me to watch it in a relationship as I know that would make my partner feel like he isn’t good enough

goodness, did he tell you that is how it makes him feel? That’s sad, he must be very insecure?low self esteem?

Neverneverneveragain · 10/08/2024 17:43

I could not live with that. So sorry

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