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DowntonTrout · 09/08/2024 10:15

My DP and I are both divorced from our previous spouses after long marriages. Neither of us were anything to do with the breakups and did not meet until after his divorce and I had been separated for 18 months. We both have grown up children between the ages of 22 and 35. Since we have been living together none of our children have lived with us. They are all adults, with their own lives, living in various parts of the country, none nearer than 2 hours away, one is abroad.
I have a much closer relationship with my children than DP does with his as they blame him for leaving their mum 7 years ago and I can see it's been difficult for them. We have never had the opportunity to bond and they can be quite dismissive of me. I'm always happy to see them or have them to stay and make them welcome but it feels like they don't really want to have a relationship with me. Our respective children have never met each other.
2 of my children and their partners are great, visit often or we go there, have all done Christmases together etc and are totally accepting and friendly with DP.
My other DD has been less so. She doesn't "get" DP, And he doesn't get her. They seem to dislike each other. DP is critical of her parenting, rightly so sometimes, and has made comments and DD has gone off in a huff etc. On each of the 3 times she has come to stay there has been something that has triggered a fall out and creates tension.
There is a huge backstory with DD and while I won't go into it too much here, she has caused me many problems over the years. However she is my daughter and I love her and my grandkids.
Last night I saw a status on DP's FB about psychopaths and asked him what he'd posted it for? He said "well we both know one" and after some pushing he said it was my DD. I'm stunned. I found it inappropriate and completely passive aggressive and said that was not the way to communicate his feelings. Then he proceeded to go through every event over the last 2 years where he felt she was in the wrong. ie, didn't put a nappy on my granddaughter (4 yo) and she wet the bed, allowed granddaughter to run around the kitchen with a doll in a pram and he was tired. Said she told lies and exaggerated about being injured at work (behavioural school, got a black eye, have seen the pictures) and much more. I asked if this was his red line as at the end of the day she comes with me, will always be my daughter and if he doesn't feel he can just put these things aside for the short periods she visits (maybe 2 nights, twice a year) then we should call it a day.
I should say, the last visit, I took DD and kids out, kept them busy away from our home, without DP to avoid tension. He says it makes him so stressed, he doesn't feel he can discuss it with me because I will always take her side and he's always waiting for the next thing.
I on the other hand feel that while I do try and smooth things over and avoid confrontation between them do put my DD straight if I think she's in the wrong and can see both sides. I feel he should support me instead of making things awkward, get through it and then think "phew, they've gone, I can relax and forget about it for a few months now." But I don't know if that's an unreasonable expectation. I'm stuck in the middle here and don't really know how to handle it. On the one had, DD can be difficult but also funny, kind, supportive and does make an effort, not always successfully. . On the other DP sensitive, very straight, brought up very strictly, inflexible and doesn't have a close relationship with his kids. This whole thing is making me dislike him. Can we make this work or do I have to choose between them? Obviously it would have to mean the end of mine and DP's relationship.

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Peoniesinbloom · 09/08/2024 13:43

If he dislikes her that much he should have enough self awareness and grace to go away when she comes to visit. & not make comments and not make FB posts
whatever his opinions are this is your DD and he should stay out of it!

StormingNorman · 09/08/2024 13:52

DowntonTrout · 09/08/2024 12:55

Completely. Psychopath is wrong. There are issues that could be point to a personality disorder, she had some learning difficulties, is dyslexic but functions fully as an adult although is difficult sometimes. But it's just who she is. Who is perfect anyway?

Some dyslexics have a condition called dyspraxia which puts them on the autistic spectrum. I’m 45 and o ly found about the spectrum but a couple of years ago. It explains a lot! Could this be a possible explanation for some of DD’s actions?

I mean in the broader context you’re referring to. What you’ve listed as examples of bad behaviour don’t seem all that bad.

Onelifeonly · 09/08/2024 14:03

I'd be wary of a man who is so disliked by his own children he never sees them, or makes any effort to improve his relationship with them. Children who loved and respected their father might well be angry at him for the break up, but for 7 years?

And I'd be furious if someone criticised my child like that. It's simply not his place to do so.

However, if he is on the autistic spectrum he might need to be told how to approach these situations. I have a family member somewhere on the spectrum (never diagnosed) and they once fiercely criticised my child/ parenting and followed it up with a letter. I replied explaining everything from my point of view and they apologised profusely. (I couldn't face them even so, for some months, but we've long been back to a friendly relationship).

RoachFish · 09/08/2024 14:28

I have adult children too (albeit one just on the cusp) and divorced. There is absolutely no way I would be in a relationship with a man who tries to sabotage my relationship with my kids. It doesn't matter to me if they are 5 or 30, they are my kids and I intend to have a nice, relaxed relationship with them for as long as I am on this planet. Any man who tries to make that harder would need to go, I just couldn't enjoy spending time with anyone who felt that way towards my kids.

thistimelastweek · 09/08/2024 14:43

Totally agree with PPs who see nothing wrong with your daughter's parenting. Even if there were, it's not your partner's place to criticise.
He doesn't have to like your daughter, he just needs to keep his opinions to himself.

DowntonTrout · 09/08/2024 14:50

Onelifeonly · 09/08/2024 14:03

I'd be wary of a man who is so disliked by his own children he never sees them, or makes any effort to improve his relationship with them. Children who loved and respected their father might well be angry at him for the break up, but for 7 years?

And I'd be furious if someone criticised my child like that. It's simply not his place to do so.

However, if he is on the autistic spectrum he might need to be told how to approach these situations. I have a family member somewhere on the spectrum (never diagnosed) and they once fiercely criticised my child/ parenting and followed it up with a letter. I replied explaining everything from my point of view and they apologised profusely. (I couldn't face them even so, for some months, but we've long been back to a friendly relationship).

Quite. He isn't able to cope with emotions very well and I think he has just shut down in the past when faced with emotional issues. He gets overwhelmed and I do have to gently coach him through certain situations and suggest other ways of looking at things. In some ways he's highly intelligent, played team sport at a high level, he's very focussed and in the right situation is sociable and thoughtful, yet in other ways is completely scatty, loses things, can't plan ahead or cope with more than one thing at once.

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Lentilweaver · 09/08/2024 14:51

Sounds like you are his mum, and you already have DC and DGC, whom he can't tolerate!

DowntonTrout · 09/08/2024 14:55

@StormingNorman there is definitely something in what you say. I have not gone into the past behaviour of my DD because it has, at times been soul destroying when she was younger. I think, because he knows the history it hasn't helped and he can't see past what I have told him.
However as parents, lots of us will struggle with teenagers going off the rails or behaving badly. We can still go on to have decent relationships as adults and not forever use it as a stick to beat them with.

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