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Abusive recent ex accusing me of abuse

28 replies

Onblock · 04/08/2024 14:46

I've recently got out of a 4 year abusive relationship. Never ever in my life have I been described as crazy. Mental. Abusive or anything.

The short story is he was in a 10 year relationship before me. Before her he was in a 4 year relationship. Before her he had a wife and 2 kids.

The wife abused him. I know she is abusive as his kids have told me what she's done to all of them. BUT he was a drinker and a drug user in that relationship and they had so many break ups and fight he was Deffo toxic aswel. The second gf slept with someone else. Don't know the ins and outs. Don't care. He slept with her friend for revenge.

Then the gf before me. He will not say a bad word about her often. Rarely something small will come out like she loved herself. But 9/10 he takes full responsibility that alcohol and his depression was why HE screwed that up. For the first 2 years of our relationship he was in contact with her. But at the same time 2 or 3 people who knew him well warned me that he won't ever get over her but he lost her to his naughty behaviour. Women and alcohol and not contributing tipped her over. She threw him out. Then was there for him as he fell into a suicidal depression. He had on occasion moaned about her snooping through his phone faking being asleep etc. But overall he will not have a bad word said about her.

Throughout our 4 years together he has used dating sites. He has slept with others. He did end it with me for 8 months. He did steal my money. He did lie to me. He did not take me out or buy me birthday gifts. He did not progress with me. He has asked me to bail him out so many times for large weed debts racked up.

I have saved his arse so many times. I've paid for his food and bills. I have kept him off the streets by paying for hotels. I have spoilt him rotten with plants, takeaways and trainers etc. When he got a flat I stepped up bought him curtains and bedding. I have bee a complete selfless kind caring person whilst he has manipulated me with his depression and broke me down over and over again.

I fell out of love with him because he did so many things to hurt me. Left me stranded on a holiday and drove of. His own boss who helped us hire a car for it I called him up in distress when I was stranded. He knew my now ex and the conversation was him telling me to get out of his world before he would drag me down. He told me he's shown my photos to other people. He's slagged me off to rock bottom. His own cousin has begged me to leave him. Which I have now. He's been at me for money this week. This morning he kept calling me. So I snapped and pointed out I had already ended it. He was shouting at me and telling me I always look for problems. He asked me what I've got to be unhappy about and then continued to say I lost him his job. Caused issues in his family and I embarrass him. This is because I have Contacted his family and other women when I know he's doing me wrong or I have reasons to believe he's ill or suicidal.

Anyway today he has told me that if I carry on messaging him he will deal with me and that's a promise not a threat. He argued that I am wrong about him treating others bad. He said his wife abused him. His next gf cheated and he messed up the one before me. He then said I mentally abuse him!!

I know this should not bother me but it does. Why is the 3rd woman on a pedestal??? I have given my all and more to him. She went through his phone and left him for the same reasons as I did. Yet I'm mentally abusive and she's a Saint.

How do I find out if I'm mentally abusive. What have I done?

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Temporaryname158 · 04/08/2024 14:49

You don’t find out anything. You block his number and email on all platforms and don’t contact him again. No good will come if it. Move on to a more positive abuse free life

Aquamarine1029 · 04/08/2024 14:52

Op, please, pull yourself together and never, ever communicate with this man again. Not for any reason. You need to cut him out of your life entirely and then think about therapy to help you through your issues.

2sisters · 04/08/2024 15:04

You are to invested in what he thinks of you or tells people about you. I think you would benefit from therapy to try and process everything that's happened. Oh course he wants to paint you as a villain. He has to try to justify his behaviour. He needs to rewrite history because now people know exactly who he is.

aCatCalledFawkes · 04/08/2024 15:06

Are you still messaging him? If so please stop now and block him. He's not going to change and he's threatening you.

HowardTJMoon · 04/08/2024 15:07

He's wanting your attention. He's acting like a toddler - if he can't get your attention by being nice, he'll try to get your attention by being a pain in the arse.

I understand why you want to know why he regards the girlfriend before you in higher esteem than he does you. The simple fact of the matter is that a) you will never know, b) any response you give will be feeding his need for attention, and c) it doesn't matter any more. You've left him. Unless you have children together or there is money/property that still needs to be sorted out, you've got no need to ever speak to him again.

I promise you, the less you speak to him the easier your life will be. He's lied to you and stolen from you. At a guess he's got serious addiction problems. All round it sounds less of a relationship and more of a hostage situation. Be grateful that you're out. Think carefully about why you put up with his utter disregard for you for so long, and what you want from a good relationship in the future.

kiwiane · 04/08/2024 15:09

It’s really easy from now on as you don’t need to contact him again. No need to worry about what he says about you - you’re done.

cupcaske123 · 04/08/2024 15:09

Keep the message about him threatening to deal with you, then block him on your phone and social media.

Do the Freedom Programme to learn about healthy relationships and perhaps phone your local domestic abuse organisation to find out about counselling.

Onblock · 04/08/2024 16:43

I have blocked him now. Thank you.

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Starlightstarbright3 · 04/08/2024 16:58

Just imagine the money you will now have ..

i hear you have blocked him . Does he have keys ? Change locks ,

Make sure he is blocked on all your SM .

it doesn’t matter what he thinks . He lost his job , he ended up with drug debts .. homeless .

not someone l’s opinion I would listen to .

Onblock · 04/08/2024 17:43

Starlightstarbright3 · 04/08/2024 16:58

Just imagine the money you will now have ..

i hear you have blocked him . Does he have keys ? Change locks ,

Make sure he is blocked on all your SM .

it doesn’t matter what he thinks . He lost his job , he ended up with drug debts .. homeless .

not someone l’s opinion I would listen to .

I know and yes he's always held power because he's mentally unwell and doesn't want to carry on and can't be geld accountable for anything because you can't bully someone who's that poorly mentally.

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HowardTJMoon · 04/08/2024 17:48

Other than self-medicating with alcohol and weed, is he doing anything about his mental health issues?

leeverarch · 04/08/2024 17:59

How do I find out if I'm mentally abusive. What have I done? You have done nothing and you are not abusive.

Why on Earth would you even begin to believe what he says?

Block him and have nothing to do with him ever again.

BBCLW · 04/08/2024 18:37

Could you look into getting a restraining order? Not necessarily getting one right now but so you know and are prepared to take steps if he escalates his abuse and threats.

Pinkbonbon · 04/08/2024 18:42

The third women us on a pedestal because that's what narcissistic triangulation is. When they put an ex (or any other woman) on a pedestal in order to make you feel 'why am I not enough for you?'.

It's standard abuse.
To make you feel compared to them. And insecure that they still love that woman.

Anyway, it's irrelevant now because you're going to delete and block him and never speak to him again, right? He can't drive you mad if you never see him again.

Onblock · 05/08/2024 12:08

I found one of my tops in my wash basket with holes cut in. I think he did it. I'm going to get some ring doorbell cameras.

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Watchkeys · 05/08/2024 12:17

How do I find out if I'm mentally abusive

You look at yourself and give an honest appraisal. Then you trust your own judgement.

Were you mentally abusive?
If so, when? How? Exactly what was the nature of the abuse you inflicted on him?

I imagine that, in that thought process, you will be saying 'He says this was abusive, but it wasn't, I was just trying to xyz' etc, and so you have to make a decision: do you trust his judgement of you, or yours?

Nobody else has ever said this about you, and you don't think it was the case, so are you going to rest your own view of yourself on the opinion of a man who clearly has mental health difficulties and problematic relationships? Why would you do that? Why would you judge yourself according to what one individual thinks of you? Who is he? God? King? Or a troubled bloke?

GrumpyPanda · 05/08/2024 12:36

Onblock · 05/08/2024 12:08

I found one of my tops in my wash basket with holes cut in. I think he did it. I'm going to get some ring doorbell cameras.

That's actually alarming. Think I might call the police and ask for advice.

chiara12 · 05/08/2024 12:52

Look up triangulation.
A lot of men will enjoy pitting you against someone else, in this case an ex, in order to make you question your worth.

My abusive ex did this and used to make out his ex of 10 years was great and he didn't know why she left blah blah blah. The reason I think he made her seem so great was because she put up with his crap for so long and stayed. She also left without causing him problems even though he treated her so badly and she cut him off so I think he spent years idealising her in his head again.

I now am friends with this ex and she describes how horribly abusive he was, how awful he was to her, how she left and told him/his family to get him help as he was so bad and abusive.

So actually he had rewritten that relationship in his head to me and her reality was very very different to his. Just because he is telling you something, doesn't mean it was the same for his ex or even the reality for him!

Pinkbonbon · 05/08/2024 12:53

Onblock · 05/08/2024 12:08

I found one of my tops in my wash basket with holes cut in. I think he did it. I'm going to get some ring doorbell cameras.

Go to the police. Make a report.
He needs scared off. At the very least you need to get this on record incase he does something else.

FluffyLemonClouds · 05/08/2024 12:56

When you get up look in the mirror and say this I can do better . I deserve better. Because I am better .

Starlightstarbright3 · 05/08/2024 14:19

Onblock · 04/08/2024 17:43

I know and yes he's always held power because he's mentally unwell and doesn't want to carry on and can't be geld accountable for anything because you can't bully someone who's that poorly mentally.

I did the Freedom program .

This helped me unpick the Mh issues my ex had but also how you don’t have to tolerate abuse because he has Mh issues

Onblock · 06/08/2024 17:12

chiara12 · 05/08/2024 12:52

Look up triangulation.
A lot of men will enjoy pitting you against someone else, in this case an ex, in order to make you question your worth.

My abusive ex did this and used to make out his ex of 10 years was great and he didn't know why she left blah blah blah. The reason I think he made her seem so great was because she put up with his crap for so long and stayed. She also left without causing him problems even though he treated her so badly and she cut him off so I think he spent years idealising her in his head again.

I now am friends with this ex and she describes how horribly abusive he was, how awful he was to her, how she left and told him/his family to get him help as he was so bad and abusive.

So actually he had rewritten that relationship in his head to me and her reality was very very different to his. Just because he is telling you something, doesn't mean it was the same for his ex or even the reality for him!

Thank you. He did her wrong in so many ways I can only imagine the arguments that took place in the final weeks. I've heard all the stories. Him walking off on holiday calling her friends pricks. Her going through his phone and accusing him of being unable to go on a course without flirting. He complained to me about her playing candy crush and never texting him back but her mates were always getting messages. Then he'd say in arguments that he never argued with his ex life he did me.

According to his cousin she told her that he made everything awkward when she tried to make plans with him he would shut down. Apparently she paid for the house (it was in her name not his as she lived there already) and paid for all the food etc. She apparently felt guilty when she threw him out although he stayed until he found somewhere. He used to sleep with her pics on his wall well into months of us first dating. It was so weird as she never lived there.

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Onblock · 06/08/2024 17:12

Starlightstarbright3 · 05/08/2024 14:19

I did the Freedom program .

This helped me unpick the Mh issues my ex had but also how you don’t have to tolerate abuse because he has Mh issues

How do I do this?

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Onblock · 06/08/2024 17:17

Watchkeys · 05/08/2024 12:17

How do I find out if I'm mentally abusive

You look at yourself and give an honest appraisal. Then you trust your own judgement.

Were you mentally abusive?
If so, when? How? Exactly what was the nature of the abuse you inflicted on him?

I imagine that, in that thought process, you will be saying 'He says this was abusive, but it wasn't, I was just trying to xyz' etc, and so you have to make a decision: do you trust his judgement of you, or yours?

Nobody else has ever said this about you, and you don't think it was the case, so are you going to rest your own view of yourself on the opinion of a man who clearly has mental health difficulties and problematic relationships? Why would you do that? Why would you judge yourself according to what one individual thinks of you? Who is he? God? King? Or a troubled bloke?

I'm not abusive but I am a truth seeker. So I'll always give him the chance first to be honest. If he won't then I'll ask the other woman etc.

When he's out of control in anger and suicidal threats or going silent and worrying me I have gone to his family and said xyz happened. He's behaving like this I don't know what to do? Or have you spoken to him as I can't get hold of him..

That's all I've ever done. I've spoken my truth to one or 2 females or family members too about money etc that he's had out of me and non returned.

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Onblock · 06/08/2024 17:18

And ofcourse on occasions needed I have pointed out his behaviour and sneaking.

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