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Friendship issue

15 replies

Beetledoggy · 30/07/2024 11:35

Hi all, this is my first post (although I’ve lurked for a while 😊), and could do with some other views on this. One of my best friends has got herself a new bloke, which is great and I’m genuinely happy for her as she’s been on her own for a while. It’s a bit complex though as the bloke is about 25 years younger and she met him through her daughter who had a relationship with the same chap some years ago, and after they recently met up again the daughter was keen to see if it would work again. However he decided he was interested in my friend. Very awkward. It all got very messy and after a party she and him got together in front of the family and so you can guess the outcome. Both her daughters refused to speak to her for a while and they were really upset at what they felt was a betrayal. My friend promised she wouldn’t see him again but after a few weeks when she and I had a spa night I asked her directly as I could tell there was something going on and she came clean and they’d never stopped seeing each other. I told her I wasn’t judging and that she had my support as long as he made her happy but said she needed to come clean with the family. Suffice to say she didn’t for over a year and kept seeing him. I suspect the illicitness made it more exciting. I kept saying it was better for her to manage the message than to be found out and eventually (and only cos they were going away for a week together) she told them. Basically the day before they went away.

Moving forwards now by 6months it’s out in the open which is great. BUT he hasn’t introduced her to his family even though they know about the relationship and I know it’s something which my friend finds difficult. She also hasn’t taken him to any family things of hers, although for the time being that’s maybe no bad thing. Also, she’s doing that thing that lots of folks do in a new relationship and has stopped seeing her friends much. She and I were also big travel buddies and did a lot of travel abroad 2-3 times a year as well as the odd spa night here and there. I’m married with adult kids so it’s not like I’m on my own, but I miss our friendship time together as now it’s almost impossible to pin her down and if I suggest something well in advance she’ll say that she’ll go but it’ll depend on what the chap wants to do. I do realise this is a bit of jealousy from me in that it’s impacting on things I want to do and that she wants to put time and energy into her new chap, but I can’t help feeling hurt about being almost dumped for a relationship that from the outside looks like it’s not going to have longevity. When we are doing stuff together she is either constantly messaging him or wandering off to leave him a voice note. It’s very very annoying. She is nearly 60 whereas he is early 30’s. She says she hasn’t actually asked his age but considering he’s a similar age to her daughter it’s not hard to guess. She says he hasn’t asked how old she is and she hasn’t told him. Age differences don’t really bother me as my brother and his wife have a lovely happy and successful marriage with a 20 year age gap, and my sister in law is lovely. I totally get how flattering it is to be pursued by a much younger man, and my friend has always been honest about her vanity (it’s something she’s very up front about) and I can see how she’s throwing herself into this relationship but I’m really worried about her, especially as he doesn’t seem to want to integrate her into his family. To me that seems like he’s not serious about her, or he’s worried what his family will say about him seeing someone the same age as his mum.

So, I finally get to my questions - how do I sensitively let her know how hurt I feel without sounding like a complete cow? Do I talk to her about my worries for her with the new chap ? I have tried this in the past but I don’t think she was in the right headspace.

sorry - reading this back it’s a bit of a rant !! 🙂

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Mmmmdanone · 30/07/2024 11:49

She probably isn't in the right headspace now either. She's acting like a teenager and I don't think anything you say will change that. Maybe just reduce contact with her but be there for her, if you want to, when it all crumbles.

Keepingcosy · 30/07/2024 11:57

I think you'd be wasting your time trying to talk to your friend about your concerns on the situation giving the length she has gone to do be with this person. (Out of the thousands of single men in her nearby vicinity, why did she pursue something that would hurt her relationship with her daughter? But that is not the topic) so I would detach and do an internal eye roll at whatever latest drama is being worked out between her and her man.

I can relate because I've been the bystander to a fair few drama filled relationships and learnt the hard way that there's nothing I can really do to change someone else's situation.

What you might have more control over is how often you see her, and I'd just focus on this. I think you need to be direct with your friend. Best case is that she might be flattered with how much you miss her & make more of an effort. You have a long standing friendship so the chances are it could survive a bit of directness.

cupcaske123 · 30/07/2024 12:01

This is so common. People often withdraw from friendships when they get caught up in a new relationship. Hormones take over.

There's nothing you can do or say and just have to let it run its course.

loropianalover · 30/07/2024 12:05

Jesus Christ what an idiot. Leave her to her devices and spend time with others. Agree with PP she’s acting like a teenager and nothing you say is going to get through to her.

I can’t believe she did that to her daughter and ‘got with him’ out in the open at a party. It’s quite sick actually, do you not question whether you want to be friends with her at all anymore? I wouldn’t want anything to do with her.

Mmhmmn · 30/07/2024 12:15

That's actually unbelievable that she would get with her daugher's ex. WTF.

And he doesn't know her age? What?

He must be after her money. Or a mother figure. Or both. Of course he hasn't integrated her into his family, they'd be horrified.

Edingril · 30/07/2024 12:18

I would leave her to it otherwise all you will ever hear in the future is every single detail about how it has gone wrong and she will speak of nothing else it gets draining

OriginalUsername2 · 30/07/2024 12:23

I couldn’t be friends with someone like that. She has no boundaries.

newleafontheplantjohn · 30/07/2024 12:35

Yeah, it's horrible.

Her poor daughter.

SamW98 · 30/07/2024 12:54

It’s hard for you because as a bystander you can see the car crash in slow motion but you’re powerless to stop it.

Sadly there’s no fool like an old fool and she’s acting absolutely recklessly thinking with her vagina rather than her brain. I find it hard to believe 2 people in a 6 month relationship have never told each other their ages but hey ho.

I would just say be there ready for the inevitable fall out - that’s as much as you can do in all honesty.

Newbeginning12 · 30/07/2024 13:05

@Beetledoggy sorry but she sounds off her chops. Do you really want to be friends with someone like that anyway?

Beetledoggy · 30/07/2024 13:19

We’ve been friends a long time and she’s always been a very caring and supportive friend which is why I’m so surprised at her behaviour. It’s been 18months now - 12 illicit and 6 in the open. She has an incredibly well-paid job, is very highly qualified and usually is very level headed. He works but lives at home with parents and brother, apparently he lots of disposable income. I have asked whether she wants him to move in and she says defo not. She’s been saying for a while now that come the end of the month she’s got no money left ( warning sign in my head) and a few times I’ve jokingly said ‘what are you spending it all on’ - nights away in hotels and Airbnb, etc.

lots of comments here about not wanting a friend like this and if this had been her habitual pattern throughout our friendship I’d walk away, but it’s so out of character. I care a lot about her and want to be there for her when it does all come crashing down. I guess watching and waiting is the way forwards. Netmum wisdom is brilliant.

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loropianalover · 30/07/2024 13:24

I understand your update OP, it’s very easy for me to say drop her when I don’t know her but you obviously have history with her and know that this is out of character.

It’s EXTREMELY worrying that she has a high paying job but come the end of the month she has nothing. She’s moving towards retirement being almost 60, is she set up for that? Why do they go to Air BnBs and hotels, does she live alone in her home or with the daughters?

I also disagree that he has lots of disposable income given he’s still living at home with mum and dad - he should be saving. The whole thing sounds like a joke to him, not even caring to ask what age she is and pretty much ignoring the fact that he’s gone out with her daughter & how much family strife and pain this stupid relationship has caused her. He’s probably just waiting for a younger woman to come along that he can have kids with.

Beetledoggy · 30/07/2024 14:50

@loropianalover She has her own house and neither daughter lives with her - both have their own houses plus one has her own family. One daughter lives close and the grandkids would frequently pop in unannounced. I did say to her she was playing with fire if the kids ‘caught’ them but I think it just made it more exciting. Personally I couldn’t live with the intrigue and lying to my family.

According to my friend he has disposable income and savings (although I’ve no idea how true that is). I suspect the hotels and Airbnb add to the excitement of it all, plus maybe they are escaping from reality as none of their family or friends can see them? Who knows.

Before I put my original post I wondered whether I was just overthinking but it’s really helpful to get lots of other perspectives.

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Capeprimrose · 30/07/2024 16:42

Your friend is undoubtedly being used and it will come crashing down around her at some point.
Until then distance yourself and don't wait around.
What she has done to her daughter is just so awful.
I would find it hard to trust or take her seriously.
I can understand you are very disappointed and miss your friend.
People change, and he has changed her.
Don't expect her to revert when it blows up. This has always been there but you just never saw it.
What an awful hurt to inflict on your child.

spicychilli82 · 06/08/2024 13:41

Surely you can’t be surprised that this woman is not being a good friend to you? I feel like you need to take a proper look at this situation. The age disparity is entirely irrelevant. This woman, your friend, is in a relationship and having sex with a man who has previously been in a relationship, had sex, with her own daughter. She betrayed her own daughter just for a bit of dick, without a second thought; and she will betray you too if you give her a chance! It’s absolutely 100% ok to judge someone who’s doing a very bad thing. It’s not ok for your friend to be doing “whatever makes her happy” when it’s at her own daughter’s expense. This woman is morally bankrupt, has absolutely no shame, no boundaries, no conscience. You should steer well clear of that woman, and anyone who condones her behaviour, as she will bring all kinds of negative energy into your life. You sound like a really nice, caring and fun person and you deserve much better friends than her!!

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