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Flirty texts to another woman

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Dontknowwhattothink2 · 25/07/2024 21:21

My partner and I have been together nearly 10 years…
Found out today that he’s been flirting with a woman that he’s known since school.
I knew they spoke previously but was assured they were just friends.
By his admission she was sometimes flirty but he told me it was only ever a one-way thing.
They had apparently not spoken for a while.
He asked me to fill out a form on his phone today and to save it for him so I was shocked to see her name come up on ‘recently contacted’ people.
I immediately asked him and he said ‘oh she messaged me the other week to tell me she was having an operation soon’
I asked to see the messages and he asked why so I explained that, because she had been flirty in the past, I wanted to see.
He said no - followed by ‘they are flirty back and I don’t want you to be upset by it because it means nothing’
He’s shown me them now. He’s also said he’s been chatting to her on and off since mid June but the messages only started on WhatsApp on 18th July. Apparently they were talking on TikTok but he closed that account a week ago (when the WhatsApp conversation started) so I haven’t seen any of those.
He’s asked what he can do to make it better and has shown me that he’s blocked her but I honestly don’t know what to think or do now. Any advice?

OP posts:
Dontknowwhattothink2 · 30/07/2024 20:38

@TheDarkPinesOfYourMind he showed me she was blocked but I think he’ll unblock he or she will find another platform to get it touch on.

OP posts:
GreyCarpet · 30/07/2024 20:43

Dontknowwhattothink2 · 30/07/2024 20:36

@GreenFields07 I also think there is more to it.
It’s the only conclusion that I keep arriving at, given that he is unwilling to prove otherwise.
Part of me hoped that, as he’d admitted the mutual flirtation, he would just let me see the rest so that I could know the full extent and whether or not we could move forward.

This is the crux of it, OP.

You know he's lied but you're never going to know the truth.

The sad reality, that he won't even be aware of yet, is that it's not what he might or might not have said or done with this woman that will end up destroyikg your marriage. But the fact you know he has lied; is willing to let you live with this distress and uncertainty and the act that you just aren't able to trust him because of that.

And then your knowledge that, this is all preferable to him to you knowing the truth.

I don't know what he has said/done but I do know that he thinks there might be a chance of you moving past this if he denies and plays it down. He doesn't think there will be any chance of that if you know the truth. And that's what I'd be saying to him.

Sugarsugarahhoneyhoney · 30/07/2024 20:43

Dontknowwhattothink2 · 28/07/2024 15:44

So I brought it up with him again yesterday…
Looked at his WhatsApp and he asked if I was okay. I said I was just checking and he said I told you it’s gone, been deleted and she’s blocked.
I asked why it was open on a chat to a female friend - not the same person as now - from 2018 with a naked woman message (I think a gif).
He said he had been going through his chats to see if there were messages to anyone else that I wouldn’t be happy with.
I asked if that was it (if he was messaging anyone else) and he said he used to message between a male friend and her but it was banter.
I said but it’s flirtatious yes and he said some of it was but it’s only banter. As far as I know he’s not had contact with her since 2018 but we had been together 4 years at that point.

He then said he’d been thinking to himself that I’ve never liked him talking to other girls (named 2 people, said there were others too that he couldn’t think of who) so I said that this is exactly why and it has given me every reason to not trust him.
Said he understands why the trust has gone but it was ‘getting old’ now and I could do what I want.
I said that until I saw the other messages I wouldn’t know if I could move on from it.
He said there aren’t any as he’s already said he’s not showing me so he’s deleted them.

It's a bit rude of him to say it's getting old now considering it's only just happened that takes the biscuit.

It is entirely up to you what you want to do and where you want to go with this, nobody can make that decision for you.

BeckiWithAnI · 30/07/2024 20:48

He knows it’s not appropriate and that’s why he’s been keeping it secret and deleting the evidence as he goes.
The danger here is he minimizes everything. Like it’s “banter” “it meant nothing” “wasn’t going to act on it”. So if the shoe was on the other foot and you were flirting with another man with no intention to act on it he would be completely fine with that? It’s almost worse that he risks your family life for something so trivial according to him. I say if you’re going to blow your family apart and break someone’s heart it damn well better be for love.
The fact he doesn’t or refuses to see that it’s not just banter and it IS serious is worrying because it means he will keep doing it because to him it’s harmless and you’re just “overreacting”. It also prevents him from understanding WHY he’s doing it. He’s getting something from it or he wouldn’t be doing it and covering his tracks.
I’m not saying the classic LTB. But I think if you just carry on like everything is fine and it gets swept under the rug it will keep happening. He’ll know he can just keep getting away with it. It will be a few tense days at home when you find out but then back to being comfortable and he’ll be free to flirt (or worse) another day.
I would suggest couples counseling and if he really can’t see WHY what he’s doing is so wrong then maybe you need some time apart. In the clear light of day he might wise up to the consequences of “borderline” (although I’d say there is no borderline…) cheating. As it’s so “meaningless” to him, he can reevaluate whether it’s worth losing his family for something so apparently meaningless.

LivelyMintViper · 30/07/2024 20:55

Sorry, OP but he deleted the messages not to save your feelings but because he had well and truly crossed the line and knew if you saw them you would realize the extent of his betrayal
He's a jerk.

GreenFields07 · 30/07/2024 21:15

DottyLottieLou · 30/07/2024 18:03

Please remember the women of mumsnet love nothing more than getting someone to leave their fella.

Or maybe we are just telling women to have higher standards and to expect better than what they're currently getting. There would be no LTB if these men were loyal, respectful, cared about their partners feelings rather than completely disregarding them and doing what the hell they want without repercussions.

MsDogLady · 30/07/2024 23:06

@Dontknowwhattothink2, there’s a huge imbalance of power here.

Your P feels entitled to:
+develop flirtations outside the marriage.
+control the narrative by blocking transparency/deleting.
+dismiss your need to discuss and ask questions by saying ‘it’s getting old, do what you want.’ A remorseful man committed to rebuilding your trust would never say that.

He clearly laps up these illicit ego massages and couldn’t care less about your feelings and boundaries. He says ‘it meant nothing’ and ‘he didn’t see the problem because he was never going to act on any of it, it was just messages.’ I beg to differ — seeking validation via flirty buzzes with this OW and others is acting on it. They are sharing a mutual attraction and frisson.

His refusal to show you the previous messages suggests they were on a sexual level and/or he was complimenting her, perhaps even criticizing you. Whatever was there, OW sees that he is happy to cross lines and disregard you. His sneaky, disrespectful actions have damaged your marriage, and that is very much something.

@Dontknowwhattothink2, his lies [that it was 1-sided] and his stance on his entitlement to invest in their gratifying, fun kicks [which would enrage him if you did such] shed new light on their meet-up in December, which must have been quite a flirt fest. Her confiding in him about her upcoming surgery shows that they are building closeness. There’s no telling when all of this really started, and I highly doubt that he would permanently block this woman he’s known since school.

He needs to understand that you won’t tolerate this betrayal. My H would be staying elsewhere for a while so I could gather my thoughts and reassess our marriage.

TheDarkPinesOfYourMind · 31/07/2024 09:26

Dontknowwhattothink2 · 30/07/2024 20:38

@TheDarkPinesOfYourMind he showed me she was blocked but I think he’ll unblock he or she will find another platform to get it touch on.

Yes, exactly. I'm so sorry, OP. I rarely comment in these types of threads but I think he's treating you appallingly.

LilacRaven · 31/07/2024 10:16

Snugs10 · 30/07/2024 20:24

My thoughts too what used to be a bit banter is now full of sexual misconduct

It's not banter through is it. It never was and women are smart enough now to clock onto this

Teeny1977 · 01/08/2024 22:20

Has he deleted the account or just logged out of it and created a new one so you think he has deleted it? Don’t use ticktok so don’t actually know how it works.
i have no idea how he can make it better and I guess it’s a case of do you trust him that nothing has or is going to happen with her. If you say that you trust him and move forward you have to completely let it go and not keep bringing it up if you have an argument but if you can’t get over it then you probably need to walk away before it eats you up and makes you bitter and unhappy.

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