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Too many issues or can this be fixed?

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Leolife · 25/07/2024 10:12

My newish boyfriend is also my friend of twenty years.

He split with his wife at the end of May last year and in my opinion went about it terribly and spinelessly; he randomly messaged me one day to say he had something to tell me but it would mess up his entire life and wanted to meet with me to discuss it; I wasn't able to meet with him so a week or so later, he messaged to say he had split up with his wife and was moving to my town, to stay with a friend!

A couple of weeks after the split, was their wedding anniversary. He messaged me to explain they had an overnight stay at a zoo booked, asking if he should go.

Obviously I advised him not to go if he was adamant he wanted to finish with his wife as it would give her false hope. He went anyway and messaged me a few times throughout the day saying how awkward it all was and how he wished he had taken my advice.

Over the next couple of months, we developed feelings for each other and ended up getting together. Too soon, but at the time neither of us cared about that as we were being selfish and stupid.

He started divorce proceedings and over the summer went to mediation. He kept the fact he was seeing me a secret from his wife as he didn't want to rock the boat, or delay the divorce proceedings in any way.

His wife took the split quite badly, threatening suicide, saying she couldn't take care of their cats, blaming him for her health issues and blackmailing him to go over and help her. He duly turned up each time, sitting with her when she said she had overdosed until the ambulance turned up to take her to hospital, cutting the grass as she couldn't, decorating the house ready to sell, etc.

Then she started texting and phoning me, begging me to speak to him and tell him to go back to her. Each time she contacted me, I asked his advice on what to do and he told me to ignore her, so I did, thinking he was dealing with it and I shouldn't rock the boat.

All of this was taking its toll on me and I felt so insecure, upset he wouldn't tell his wife about me, didn't feel like I could meet his friends or family as the divorce was getting more and more messy (mediation was happening but it took weeks to agree on anything) and I kept swinging from thinking it would all be okay, to wondering what the heck I was doing and wanting to end the relationship. Obviously this upset my boyfriend and he felt insecure with me as well.

Eventually he decided to go no contact with his wife as she kept sending messages begging him to try again, so he decided to only communicate through solicitors, but only after I'd found out he had been replying to all her begging messages - he showed me his phone to try and prove there were no messaged leading her on, but the fact he relied to almost every message she sent, including one the night he first stayed at mine overnight when she asked him to message when he got home and he replied in the morning (just after he left my house) saying he was fine - why even bother replying to that?! I told him it was giving her false hope to reply to her so much and he agreed.

Earlier this year, his wife rang me again. By this point he had told me she knew about us, so I answered her call.

She told me that a few weeks prior, she had given him a lift to mediation and he had been telling her all about our issues, how worried he was that I was still friends with my ex and how it was like we "were in a relationship, but without sexual contact" and that he was trying to end things with me but didn't know how :(

A few days after he'd had this conversation with his wife, he messaged me to say he was thinking of ending things with me as I was too friendly with my ex. This felt a bit of a bolt out of the blue but I immediately cut contact with my ex out of respect to my boyfriend and our relationship. Obviously I didn't know about him speaking to his wife about it at that time.

She also accused him of being controlling, nasty and blaming when things don't go well and just generally not a nice person who she stayed with out of loyalty as she thought he was mentally ill.

I spoke to my boyfriend about all this after the phonecall and he basically said she was making it all up.
He admitted they he'd spoken to her about me and my ex and regretted doing that, but that his 'anxiety' about my friendship with my ex made him feel insecure and unwanted - I'd always been upfront with him about my friendship, never hidden it at all and he said he accepted it, although wasnt best pleased and would rather I wasn't still friends with my ex.

A few months down the line and he is now saying that I've been causing his erection issues (he can't stay hard) because I've been so up and down with the relationship that he feels like he's walking on eggshells and the anxiety and depression that causes him, is giving him erection difficulties.

Admittedly, I have been swinging on an almost weekly basis from thinking I can cope with all the stress of him still not having his house sold, still not being divorced, all the lies and half truths it feels like he's told and the accusations from his wife that he's controlling, to thinking that it just isn't worth the hassle and finishing with him.

This obviously isn't good for him, but he seems to think I'm being deliberately "nasty" and has accused me of grinding him down and being the cause of his anxiety (and now erection problems).

He doesn't seem to be able to take responsibility for any of the things I've mentioned in this post, always just makes an excuse ("I split with my wife as she had been grinding me down for years, I had provided a home, kept her fed and looked after and she was so unappreciative", "I married her because I thought it would improve our relationship which had been going downhill, also she gave me an ultimatum saying if I didn't marry her she would finish with me", "the relationship with my wife started going downhill when my cat and then my father died in close proximity") so I genuinely think he's playing the victim and blaming me for his shortfalls, as he seems to have done in the past with his wife.

So, reading this back it's a shit show but I do love him and genuinely can't work out whether I'm right to think we've both done stupid things through the relationship but he can't take responsibility for his part in our issues, or whether he's right and I'm unreasonable and have been grinding him down for the last year...? And his wife ground him down for ten years before that?!

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Wishimaywishimight · 25/07/2024 10:17

Oh honestly, no-one's been "grinding him down", it's just his pathetic way of blaming the women in his life for his inadequacies.

I couldn't be arsed with all of this drama, I really couldn't. Love doesn't conquer all and it sounds like this 'situation', where you somehow found yourself in the middle of a complete shitshow, really is not worth the headache and heartache.

Shoxfordian · 25/07/2024 10:25

It's interesting how it's all the women in his life who are the problem and not him

SamW98 · 25/07/2024 10:30

Wishimaywishimight · 25/07/2024 10:17

Oh honestly, no-one's been "grinding him down", it's just his pathetic way of blaming the women in his life for his inadequacies.

I couldn't be arsed with all of this drama, I really couldn't. Love doesn't conquer all and it sounds like this 'situation', where you somehow found yourself in the middle of a complete shitshow, really is not worth the headache and heartache.

Absolutely this. Funny how it’s always the women’s fault for his issues and I doubt his wife would tell the same story that he’s spun you.

Sounds like you fell for his BS about his wife being this that and the other - obviously all on her he was blameless in his version of events - and you’re now seeing the real man and why his relationship really broke down.

The drama surrounding this one really isn’t worth it and he’ll just continue being a total headfuck and gaslighting you until pure the one broken down.

Id run as fast as I could away from him and not look back.

IDespairOfTheHumanRace · 25/07/2024 10:32

Too much drama - cut your ties with this twat and find some standards and boundaries. " Signa et terminos" as the Romans would have wisely said!

Leolife · 25/07/2024 10:34

I mean, I should have known better because while they were together (before they got married) I remember him messaging me saying "she's just laying around gaining weight" which I thought was an awful thing to say.

At the time I just thought he was unhappy with her so suggested maybe he should let her find someone who loves and wants her .. years later he gets married to her and then has been telling me he mainly married her because of the ultimatum and because he thought it was the right thing to do "and I suppose I must have loved her to an extent at the time".

But I believed his story that she was crazy and it's only since the phonecall with his wife that I've realised how similar her experiences of him are to mine.

He asks why I've only been feeling this way since I spoke to her, doesn't seem to understand that her giving a completely unrelated, unprompted account of her experiences which I can relate with, have made me wonder whether it's actually him and not me, or her

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samanthablues · 25/07/2024 10:43

And the “Most toxic man of the year” award goes to … 👏👏👏

Run to the hills OP, unless you want to end up like his ex (mentally unstable and physically ill). He did this to her and now you’re following on her foot steps..

Notamum12345577 · 25/07/2024 10:44

Sounds like a whole load of mess! He got with you too quickly, maybe take a step back until he is divorced?

IDespairOfTheHumanRace · 25/07/2024 10:46

You are giving him too much head space OP, and, once again, a Latin phrase comes to mind - non urinat ventum - do not piss in the wind. Much wisdom in Latin phrases, particularly in respect of relationships!

SamW98 · 25/07/2024 10:47

Re reading your OP he already showed you who he was and yet you still chose to get involved with him.

Maybe look at your boundaries because this man has more red flags than a communist party rally yet you chose to ignore the obvious signs and now you’re paying the price for that because a twat will always be a twat.

MonsteraMama · 25/07/2024 10:51

Jesus fucking Christ OP, get yourself out of this absolute shit show yesterday, what are you doing?

Sounds like his wife is exactly right about him, he's ticked all three boxes. Controlling who you can be friends with, and being nasty talking about your relationship behind your back WITH HIS FUCKING WIFE, and blaming you because his dick doesn't work.

RUN my love, there are better men out there than this piece of hot shit. Christ I'd say there are probably a fair few more appealing gorillas than this specimen.

Celynfour · 25/07/2024 10:56

Well , I read it all but honestly it was exhausting even to read- never mind live through .
You describe him as ‘spineless’ and ‘doesn’t take responsibility ‘ ‘lies’ and ‘saying awful things ‘
(it was an absolutely shocking and disloyal thing to say about his wife , he’ll come for you next when you don’t do exactly what he wants , you’ve already cut contact with a friend . )
And now he’s blaming you for his anxiety , depression and erection problems .
All this in a few months ! Sounds amazing

samanthablues · 25/07/2024 11:02

OP, you’ve described a text book narcissist. The gaslighting, the triangulation, taking no accountability, stating his soft dick is your fault, the extreme manipulation and his deep insecurity that can’t handle you being friends with your ex (he doesn’t want you having a support system). He must be delighted to know that two women are having phone discussions about him. This is s sick man with a personality disorder, and staying with him will make you physically ill in the long run.

ineedtogwtoutbeforeitatoohot · 25/07/2024 11:05

God this is way too much. Block her and tell him to sort his shit out Leave you alone and maybe you can come back together further down the line when all this has been sorted out.

yeesh · 25/07/2024 11:16

Utter shit show. He lies, is controlling who you can be friends with, blames you for everything, blames his wife, is going through a messy divorce and can’t get it up. What on earth do you see in him?

SamW98 · 25/07/2024 11:22

ineedtogwtoutbeforeitatoohot · 25/07/2024 11:05

God this is way too much. Block her and tell him to sort his shit out Leave you alone and maybe you can come back together further down the line when all this has been sorted out.

He’s a lying gaslighting manipulative narcissist- why would she want to get back together further down the line?

Run OP and go NC

Leolife · 25/07/2024 11:28

Ugh. So I did it again, hey?

Ok his defence I have said some things I perhaps shouldn't have - about his kinks being a bit much for me/weird and things like that, but I accept responsibility for the things I've said whereas he just seems to think I'm being nasty, grinding him down and am abusing him.

I don't know... It's like his whole personality had changed since last year - last year he didn't do this denying thing quite so much, he'd accept what I had to say but now, whenever I bring up an issue he flat out replies "no I'm not" and then starts with "what about the time you did x?", either that or calls me manipulative or controlling....

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BubbaGG · 25/07/2024 11:32

OP, I couldn't read all of your opening post as it made me feel stressed.

It does all feel overwhelming, I would walk away,.from all of it, and breathe a sigh of relief.

Wishimaywishimight · 25/07/2024 11:34

Seriously, stop dwelling on this and trying to analyse why he said or did whatever. He's not worth your time.

If you like drama, continue on, because there will be plenty of it by the sounds of things.

Wouldn't you rather a more peaceful life?

Leolife · 25/07/2024 11:40

Yes, and if I'm single and just with my children I'm happy and not stressed at all.

But they're older teens and will be leaving home soon... I'd really like to be able to tell a good man from the ones like this one because never in my wildest dreams would I have imagined the tny friend of twenty years who always had my back, would end up acting this way. It's heartbreaking and I feel I must have caused it somehow :'(

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SamW98 · 25/07/2024 11:43

Leolife · 25/07/2024 11:28

Ugh. So I did it again, hey?

Ok his defence I have said some things I perhaps shouldn't have - about his kinks being a bit much for me/weird and things like that, but I accept responsibility for the things I've said whereas he just seems to think I'm being nasty, grinding him down and am abusing him.

I don't know... It's like his whole personality had changed since last year - last year he didn't do this denying thing quite so much, he'd accept what I had to say but now, whenever I bring up an issue he flat out replies "no I'm not" and then starts with "what about the time you did x?", either that or calls me manipulative or controlling....

Because that’s how gaslighters work. They reel you in by being the nicest bloke in the world and once you’re hooked they reveal their true selves and it’s rarely pretty.

Though tbh the way he treated and spoke about his ex was a massive red flag that you ignored.

Don't give him any more headspace, dump, delete and block. Don’t let him live rent free in your head

Leolife · 25/07/2024 11:45

Thanks, ironically my instinct all along was that something was off but I kept ignoring it and hoping I was wrong

Lesson learnt. Thanks.

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samanthablues · 25/07/2024 11:47

Leolife · 25/07/2024 11:28

Ugh. So I did it again, hey?

Ok his defence I have said some things I perhaps shouldn't have - about his kinks being a bit much for me/weird and things like that, but I accept responsibility for the things I've said whereas he just seems to think I'm being nasty, grinding him down and am abusing him.

I don't know... It's like his whole personality had changed since last year - last year he didn't do this denying thing quite so much, he'd accept what I had to say but now, whenever I bring up an issue he flat out replies "no I'm not" and then starts with "what about the time you did x?", either that or calls me manipulative or controlling....

You’re describing text book narcissist behaviour OP. At the beginning he was on his best behaviour (love bombing) in order to “win you over” as the relationship with wife was almost over ( it’s a known fact that narcissists cannot be alone so they “chain” one relationship with another). Once he had you hooked and you were emotionally invested in this tw-t that’s when the devaluation started and his “nice guy mask” fell off.

SamW98 · 25/07/2024 11:50

And OP the fact he was a friend beforehand means nothing as narcissists are nearly always seen as great people outside their intimate relationships. They want to be popular so show everyone other than their partner their best side but behind closed doors they’re abusive twats.

samanthablues · 25/07/2024 11:52

Leolife · 25/07/2024 11:40

Yes, and if I'm single and just with my children I'm happy and not stressed at all.

But they're older teens and will be leaving home soon... I'd really like to be able to tell a good man from the ones like this one because never in my wildest dreams would I have imagined the tny friend of twenty years who always had my back, would end up acting this way. It's heartbreaking and I feel I must have caused it somehow :'(

Oh C’mon OP, I’m pretty sure he was dropping red flags. Did this guy never spoke to you about his wife? (Where you got to suspect his treatment of her), didn’t you ever noticed his lack of empathy? His me-me-me behaviour? I’m sure there was “something”.

Leolife · 25/07/2024 12:16

samanthablues · 25/07/2024 11:52

Oh C’mon OP, I’m pretty sure he was dropping red flags. Did this guy never spoke to you about his wife? (Where you got to suspect his treatment of her), didn’t you ever noticed his lack of empathy? His me-me-me behaviour? I’m sure there was “something”.

Not a lack of empathy, no. Towards me anyway. But his wife, yes. It was very much that he was the poor downtrodden husband with a bitch of a wife who was making a massive thing of her health issues and always being horrible to him.

But we were friends from 'afar' (different towns) and his story was that she isolated him from his friends. I believed that but obviously shouldn't have.

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