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Spouse is a chronic complainer- needing some insight and guidance.

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aubs427 · 19/07/2024 22:43

I’m in the US. I’m a parent to an almost 3 year old- husband works overnight. I work days. We are both full time. I get home to relieve him and he goes to bed from 4pm-830. Shift starts at 9p. He will then get an additional amount of sleep post shift anywhere from 1-3 hours, usually in between.
On weekends, I relieve him completely and he will get 5-7 hours of sleep for those 2 days. This has been our schedule since our child was 5 months (he had paid parental leave for 5 months).

Ive told him from the very beginning his lack of sleep isn’t healthy. I’ve said since we knew the timeframe of when he’d be going back to work that this schedule is NOT conducive to his physical health either and will impact his mental health too- I’ve gone as far as to say it’ll affect his parenting. My mom even said it to me when she was still alive. We’ve gotten into massive fights about getting help because he says no one will be capable of handling our child like he does.

He has outright refused any and all help. When my parents (who have since both passed now)- offered to help pay for a nanny for us even just a few days a week and for only a few hours a day to get some relief; he again outright refused. When inheritance money came in, I offered to use that to hire someone IN HOME again even just a few hours 1-2 days a week. He outright refuses. And, he’s refused daycare due to cost and the fear of our child become injured or killed in the hands of daycare works (which has been perpetuated by articles he’s read).

Ive asked: “is there ANYONE you’d trust to watch our child even to try one day a week; come by at noon- you get to sleep maybe at the latest 1pm all the way to 830- and I’d be able to relieve the person when I get home by 4PM.” Again, huge anger on his part for me even bringing it up.

His mom has recently moved into town and even now she’s being shut down as an option. He seems to not trust her alone with him because per his words; she’s careless and doesn’t have the proper parenting values that we do. Like giving a 3 year old soda, as an example… we don’t even give our child juice… so now he’s outright rejected even his mom coming to watch him alone because he thinks she will do stupid things.

so here is my dilemma: he complains practically every day multiple times a day about how exhausted he is, and most of the time I’m validating him, acknowledging him, letting him spew his complaints out. I’m fully aware how exhausting and tiring his schedule is. However, a good portion of his complaints are led with blame on our child for, not having slept longer in the morning or some type of our child causing X, Y, Z… which brings negativity into my mental state.

I have attempted to “shoulder or solution?” communication tool- he has said he just wants to be able to complain whenever he wants (and 99.99% of the time) it is about his lack of sleep- usually it being caused because of our child. He has said “I thought I was being funny. I complain for sport. I didn’t see it as a negative thing. I complain for fun” then has gotten pissed off at me saying “there is no solution. So stop even trying to bring that subject up” and threatens that I will make it worse by continuing to provide suggestions.

and, I told him that I would just force his hand and hire one anyway- which led into yet another big fight because he said I would make it worse for him because he’s “not going to be able to sleep any way with a stranger in the house” and that I must not “care about our child’s safety since I’m willing to put their life in the hands of complete strangers who ‘don’t care’ about our child and are just ‘there for the paycheck’”

It’s not even about the action of complaining. Example: ugh it’s so freaking hot. I hate the summer. Or, ahhh I stubbed my toes and they won’t stop throbbing, owww. Or, a bad day at work, etc. but, it’s what he’s complaining about that’s the issue because HE REFUSES HELP so he can get more sleep!

i need insight. Is this normal? Am I the abnormally minded one? Do people just let their spouses complain over and over and over… and over again about the same stuff with ‘no solution’ in sight? Am I being insensitive to his complaints?

this is also partially a factor: I was raised that if I’m complaining- do something about it. Not fully a nut up shut up deal. But, complaining in my household was a negative thing and it was a do something about it as complaining gets us nowhere. He was raised where they apparently complained all day all night to each other for fun.

i will add: he’s asked me to spend time with him at night because in the beginning- I was going to sleep around 10-11pm but he wanted me to stay up longer so we could get some time together between his meetings during his shift, so yes- I have chosen to lose out on sleep so we don’t drift apart. I am aware there’s a difference between choosing to lose sleep over his situation he doesn’t have a choice. And I never complain about my lack of sleep. I just get on about my day and hopefully feel rested each morning, which 99.99% I do.

TIA! I

OP posts:
aubs427 · 20/07/2024 06:38

Losingthebaggage321 · 20/07/2024 02:02

Saying that it is your dc welfare at stake, I think you need to say to your dh that you are concerned that he is losing objectivity and perspective and you are bringing in a third person to mediate this issue,

Don’t ask his permission just sort it. A doctor, a mediator professional, a mediator of some sort to break the deadlock. Would your dh agree to a few joint sessions?

It’s a very good point made by pp that you are doing a lot of the work here op and you are the one having to constantly compromise, not to mention staying up late. The balance of power is out of whack. You need to somehow fight for more equality or else the problem could escalate.

Ive asked about joint therapy and he just gets upset and relays the lack of sleep along with there being no extra time- he shoots down the idea of that altogether. He essentially somewhat threatens me into submission because he says over and over that he “really does function just fine” and that he “watches kiddo just fine” - that if someone who’s up to the house I will “perpetually be making the situation much worse” than what it is now. So I don’t know the solution. I don’t know the answer.

he very much says I’m the bad guy for not being willing to listen to him complain all day and all night long.

OP posts:
JamSandle · 20/07/2024 08:05

aubs427 · 19/07/2024 23:46

he says working normal day time hours wouldn’t work for our child even tho he works from home. He says the only shift possible for him to be able to watch our child is by being overnight. When I bring up his lack of sleep affecting both of them- he then uses the “I get paid more being overnight and I’m not willing to take a hit in pay”

yes. This is my life 💀

Oh gosh. He is incredibly rigid.

Unexpecteddrivinginstructor · 20/07/2024 08:38

Unfortunately parenting with a helicopter parent means you can never win because the argument 'but what if they die/ are seriously injured' will always be stronger than the argument that being anxious about everything is bad for their mental wellbeing. As they get older you will need to advocate for them having the freedom to go to a friend's house, to walk to the shop alone etc.

I would try to chip away at small things over time building up to aiming to get your child into preschool. It will be difficult for them too if they have only ever been cared for by you. What happens in the time when you are looking after your dc? I would try to build in time then to socialise and just small steps such as going out with his mother and popping to the restroom.

In terms of complaining I would end up going grey rock on the complaints. Have one stock phrase which you use such as 'well you know I think we should use daycare so you can sleep more.'

RandomMess · 20/07/2024 08:45

And if you split up and you choose to use childcare on your time he can't block it.

This level of controlling behaviour isn't ok.

Madamswearsalot · 20/07/2024 09:09

My DH can be a bit of a complainer and like you I grew up in a family where complaining wasn’t really acceptable if you were not trying to fix the problem. So we’ve had our challenges. He’s not as fixed and obstinate as your DH but there’s definitely a failure to recognise that there are solutions out there so gets stuck in a loop.

Your DH does sound incredibly paranoid and I’m sure the statistics don’t correlate with his fears. I’d also add that essentially blaming your own child for your tiredness is going to take its toll on the child at some point.

You sound like you’ve exhausted all reasonable solutions and your frustration is very understandable.

The thing I learned in therapy is that I am allowed my own reaction to DH’s complaints. I am not a saint, I cannot endlessly absorb the moans without my own feelings about them. And it’s ok to express those feelings. He can complain but equally I can find it frustrating, opt to remove myself from his presence, respond without empathy, even express my annoyance.

It’s now a blend of - where the complaint is valid I’ll support and sympathise. Where it’s a perpetual complaint born of his own unwillingness to change anything to make things better I give little to no response or if I’m deeply irritated that gets expressed.

If you’re not at the point of considering leaving this relationship then that may be the only option available to you.

Seaoftroubles · 20/07/2024 09:19

I couldn't cope this this kind of rigidity and control. Think how your child's life is going to be with a father that is so inflexible and overbearing. Does your child get to interact with other children/ adults at all? l'm sorry but unless he can agree to be less rigid l'd be looking at separating.

Dayoldbag · 20/07/2024 09:27

It sounds hellish OP.
Are you happy?
It's hard to imagine you are.
I think you need to tell him it's therapy or you separate.
He really doesn't sound nice at all.

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