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Help to move forward from this situation

17 replies

PieHard2 · 12/07/2024 10:25

name change for privacy. DP and I have been together for 7 years. I was previously married and divorced a few years before I met him.

A few years ago he proposed on holiday, his idea was very nice on paper but the delivery was incredibly chaotic and hectic, unexpectedly (to DP) a huge crowd at the location, long drive in traffic, completely lost and scrambling around a cliff face to find the location in heels, rubbish rather than prettiness, bad weather etc. He essentially relied on the hotel to suggest a location somewhere we had never visited before, so everything was an unknown.

We had just come from a week holiday with friends and he proposed on the first night of the second leg of the trip which was just us two.

I was pretty exhausted from late nights and copious amounts of booze on the first week of our holiday with friends, and this second week was meant to be our “reconnection” holiday after a tough year so we were both quite tense and the relaxation and destressing had definitely not happened yet.

Anyway, long story short I shut down during the proposal and didn’t say yes. I didn’t say no either I just literally couldn’t speak. It honestly felt like an out of body experience.

I think a huge part was just physical tiredness and discomfort, I am neurodiverse so can get overwhelmed easily.

If I’m honest I was also kind of irritated that the proposal wasn’t lovely and that I didn’t feel blown away. Completely aware that this makes me sound very high maintenance but I guess I always had an expectation that I’d be swooning with the romance during a proposal and it was not like that at all and I was pretty disappointed.

Additionally the whole thing probably pulled up a lot of hidden issues from my previous divorce, especially as I had viewed the holiday as a chance for me and DP to get back on track and it was the first night. I think I panicked at the thought of entering into another marriage if things weren’t perfect.

Basically I freaked out and shut down and just had this overwhelming sense of impending doom that I couldn’t shake.

Once we got back to the hotel we ended up having a big heart to heart and actually he was very understanding and the holiday ended up being really enjoyable. Six months later, once we were in a much better place and had dealt with our issues, I set up a really romantic date and asked him to ask me again, he did and I said yes. So we are now engaged and planning wedding.

He is truly an amazing partner and we are best friends - I couldn’t ask for better.

The issue is, while in our day to day it’s not an issue, when something happens to remind us I feel like I am right back there.

For example, every time we watch a proposal on TV, like last night, I can feel him tense up. It’s the pits, it’s like this traumatic memory bubbles up again for him. I feel so sad that other couples probably get to watch proposals and reminisce about their own romantic one, and for us it’s currently just this horrible memory.

Today, after the proposal on TV last night brought the subject up again, I am just so down. I’m simultaneously kind of cross with him that he didn’t just do a better job of the first proposal, be a bit more careful about timing and organisation. I’m also really cross with myself that I couldn’t have just been a normal person and laughed with him about how bad it was, or at least just said yes and faked it until I had recovered from whatever I was dealing with. But most of all I feel so guilty that I've basically given him this trauma for the rest of his life! He is so lovely and tried his best and I wish I’d seen that at the time rather than being so stuck in my head and panicking.

I want us to be able to kind of accept what happened as just part of our story. I wish we could laugh about it but I know that it’s not my place to dictate how he feels about it.

Will talking about it more help? Do we need therapy? Is this just one of those things in life that aren’t perfect but we carry on? Is there a way to turn it around to be positive? I guess it did make us stronger and closer in a way and at least he will have learnt more about how my brain and body works and I learnt that he is incredibly wonderful and understanding.

I just wish I didn’t feel so guilty and bad about the whole thing and wonder if that’s forever or if there is a way to move forward on the issue 😭😭😭.

I want our story to be lovely but this feels like a thorn in our side even two years later - but maybe it’s just a lesson I have to learn, that things can still be beautiful even if it’s not perfect?

I can’t talk to anyone in real life as I’ve been sworn to secrecy so I guess I’m seeking wise words and maybe common experiences.

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Girlintheframe · 12/07/2024 10:32

Honestly, I think you're both way overthinking things. There are going to be many ups and downs in your relationship and you need to be able to pick yourself up and move on. Dwelling on something like this two years later would be screaming lots of red flags to me and honestly sounds like neither of you are ready for marriage.

The proposal, whilst I understand was disappointing is a tiny moment in a relationship and not what marriage is about. There can will be many more disappointments along the way, what counts is how you overcome them together.

PieHard2 · 12/07/2024 10:35

We don’t dwell on it, it hardly ever comes up except eg last night when it was on tv. And then I spiral like I am today. He is very emotionally stable and has probably already forgotten we even talked about it last night. But my GUILT! Gargh 😭 I am also pregnant so potentially very hormonal too.

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DaisyChainsandSunnyDays · 12/07/2024 11:02

Life is not perfect, people make mistakes.
I had a lovely proposal but wedding didn't meet my expectations.
Sounds like you need to move on, give yourself time and perhaps speak to therapist to help with this.

BouquetGarni224 · 12/07/2024 11:29

I would say it's hormones.

waterrat · 12/07/2024 11:37

This isn't about a single incident. The reaction is too strong. I suggest therapy if you want to move forward.

People overcome massive trauma in life and you can overcome this. In the end you need to decide you want to let go of what is really a very minor life incident

DontBother123 · 12/07/2024 12:04

Has he said he is traumatised?

KaleQueen · 12/07/2024 12:13

Please try and move past this. My DH proposed when I was lying hungover on a bed late afternoon after being car sick on the way home. I didn’t care. He’d asked me and that was the most important thing. He later told me he had planned to do it three months earlier at a luxury hotel where he’d booked us a suite, but the day before he found out his best friend had proposed to his wife at the same hotel, so didn’t. The first idea would have been perfect but the second was just as good, please please don’t over think this there are much bigger things in life to worry about! It also absolutely pissed it down on our wedding day! But it’s the marriage that counts not these parts leading up to it. Please stop worrying about this.

PersephonePomegranate23 · 12/07/2024 12:17

Completely aware that this makes me sound very high maintenance but I guess I always had an expectation that I’d be swooning with the romance during a proposal and it was not like that at all and I was pretty disappointed

This is a massively unrealistic and romanticised view. I'm quite surprised, given the fact you've been married before and divorced, that you'd place so much importance on such a small thing. A happy and succesful marriage isn't down to the proposal or the wedding day, is it? Even if those two events were perfect, the marriage may not be.

PieHard2 · 12/07/2024 12:19

Thanks everyone your reassurance has really helped! I tend to ruminate on past regrets a bit and this was all stuck in my head as I can’t talk to anyone in real life about it so it’s really helped getting it all down and being told to get over it!

@DontBother123 no he hasn’t said that, I just looked at him last night during the proposal scene on TV and he looked a bit weird and we had a chat and he said he always feels weird when proposals etc are on TV. I feel really guilty that all his mates get to share their funny stories of proposal mishaps and I ruined that for him by having a panic attack and saying no. And that now having a proposal come up on TV is equivalent to a sex scene coming on when you’re watching with parents - everyone tense and not looking at each other. 🤣😭

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PieHard2 · 12/07/2024 12:24

@PersephonePomegranate23 I absolutely know all that logically, I was just explaining all my many complex feelings and the panic attack at the time. My main feeling is guilt!

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Nannyfannybanny · 12/07/2024 12:33

Life is life,it's not actually a box of chocolates!!! I think you've been reading too many romantic novels. My DH and I had very bad first marriages, physical, mental abuse. He said I needed to realise he would never marry again. I got pregnant (he didn't have kids with the ex wife thank god) his proposal was,"we'd better get married now you're up the duff) that was 35 years ago, just coming up to our anniversary next week.

Artioo2 · 12/07/2024 12:37

If you feel awkward and guilty at any mention of proposals, it's fuelling his discomfort at them. He HAS got a funny proposal story for his mates - the proposal was so bad you said no. And it's got a happy ending, because you then said yes. That's the plot line of a romantic comedy, for goodness sake! Pretty much the same thing happens in When Harry Met Sally!

Reframe the whole thing as funny romantic and start joking about it with him.

Honestly, there are so many other things to expend worry on.

PieHard2 · 12/07/2024 12:42

@Artioo2 I think you might have hit the nail on the head there! By expressing guilt I’m just reinforcing that there is something he needs to feel bad about, maybe being easy breasy will help. I’ll try to crack some jokes next time.

In the immediate aftermath I was more in this headspace, but he swore me to complete secrecy so I think it having to be our secret vs a funny story we tell together hasn’t helped.

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StormingNorman · 12/07/2024 12:47

I imagine he’s reacting to you not being over it. Just laugh about it. Two years down the line it should be a funny story, not something to get upset over.

Jadedandlost · 12/07/2024 12:52

Dear God, if this is just the proposal, I can’t imagine how the wedding will go - never mind the marriage. Do you want to be married or not? Marriage really isn’t about the Instagram proposal. Can’t you focus just remember his lovely intention rather than your heels etc? What’s important here?

Doggymummar · 12/07/2024 12:58

I've been married three times and can't say I remember the proposals. First one was my bf dad who was an accountant said we would get the married couples allowance which would help us save for a house deposit 😕 not super romantic

Slugkiller1967 · 12/07/2024 20:35

I am on my 3rd marriage, can't for the life of me remember the 1st proposal. The 2nd one was literally I think we should get married, we were married for over 20 years.
The last one was just 2 years ago, unbeknownst to me he had the ring with him when we went out for the day, he had decided he was going to ask me on the Moors near where we live, but all the parking spaces were gone so I just kept driving, he was getting increasingly jittery, which I couldn't understand. Anyway we needed a new broom so I pulled into a local hardware store, he was out of the door and round to my side in a jiffy, got on one knee and asked me to marry him whilst I was still sat in the car. We still laugh about it now when we go to the store and I try to park in 'our' space.

My point is that the proposal does not make the marriage or the relationship thereafter, as long as the question is sincere at the time and you are both happy with the decision and commitment then all should be good. It's all very well these big extravagant gestures, but at the end of the day it should be about two people wanting to commit to each other.

Oh and we had a really small wedding with just 20 people and a buffet, it was perfect! :)

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