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Incapable Parents Abroad

39 replies

RiotC · 07/07/2024 08:12

I'm a bit worried that I'm going to come across as heartless so some brief context:
My mum and step dad have 9 children between them, and there's only me and one other who are still in contact. Years of horrible stuff, but I just can't go n/c and I've found a balance that has been helped by the fact they live in a different country.
My mum is young (ish) I have friends her age who are very active, but decades of alcohol abuse and chain smoking have basically left her bed bound. I recently went to see them and was really shocked and told them I think they should come back to the UK, they aren't accessing healthcare properly in France, they haven't sorted their Carte Vital so they are paying every time they do, (currently the price of renting a house every month of painkillers/opiates/anti anxiety meds) My mum used to have enough French to get by but this seems to have disappeared and she can't communicate with anyone in French.
I've been over twice this year to try and help sort things out but they are resistant to moving, my mum won't stop drinking or smoking and their health is declining. She is currently severely underweight and mostly living off crackers, cheese and a lot of cheap wine.
On Friday she called me, saying my stepdad was in and out of consciousness and bleeding. She had been trying to call for an hour (I was at a gig and hadn't heard my phone) I told her to call 112 and she did and he was taken into hospital, (this worries me so much that she's so helpless that she didn't know to call 112)
After they took him when she was walking back (with a walker) to her bed she fell and spent the night on a cold stone floor, I tried to get her to call emergency again but she wouldn't.
I have spoken to the hospital and from what I can work out my step dad is ok, he was mostly dehydrated but they said he was filthy and asked me why he had no help at home to wash him. (They are rural they won't speak French to people and no body wants to work for them as my mum smokes inside and the place is gross.)
They have a lovely English woman who comes to clean now and again and she has gone above and beyond despite having lots of her own responsibilities to deal with to help them, she called yesterday and said I have to be as blunt as I can you need to come and get them.
But I don't know what to do, I haven't got the money to keep going back and forth (500 on the boat every time) I have a young son and a job that I can't take any more time off from and no room to house them here even if I did manage to get them here.
I'm just at a loss of what to do.
I started the process of trying to get them back here, renewed my mums passport, offered to guarantor them on a rental, but they said they want to stay there and "enjoy the house" but they are literally stuck in a dirty annexe of their house watching TV all day and not looking after themselves.
I know there's no easy answer here and I've probably left some key things out but I don't know what to do.

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LakeTiticaca · 07/07/2024 09:13

What an awful situation but it seems to be one of their own making.
If they have full mental capacity there is little you can do unfortunately. As hard as it can be turn your back on family, despite their bad behaviour, sometimes it's the only solution.
For the sake of your own wellbeing, I think you need to walk away

Allthehorsesintheworld · 07/07/2024 09:14

You have to be aware that if you bring your mum back to the UK, she also brings her alcoholism and her attitudes with her, and they could land on your doorstep.
I don’t know how your step father has managed to stay in France post Brexit without his permission to stay etc…
If they’re insistent on staying in France then they need to regularise their residency to access social care. The alternative might be free accommodation in the other part of the house in return for caring duties but that won’t be as easy as it was pre Brexit.

GodspeedJune · 07/07/2024 09:15

You can’t save them, you can’t cure them. Your only responsibility is to your young son. I’m sorry they didn’t give you the childhood you deserve, you definitely don’t owe them anything, and in any case only they can be the deciders of their fate.

Sicario · 07/07/2024 09:34

What an awful position for you to be in.

However, you don't owe them anything, and you can refuse to step in. There is no helping someone who refuses to help themselves. Their poor choices have led them to this. It's not your fault and you can't change them.

You are stuck in the horrible cycle of FOG (Fear, Obligation and Guilt). Do look it up and read about it. This is a very hard cycle for you to break out of, as you will have been conditioned into it since childhood.

You are under no obligation to do anything further for them.

Take a deep breath and say NO. It gets easier with practise.

Concentrate on your own family unit, being the best mum you can, and know that there are many others like you out there who were unlucky enough to have shit parents.

RiotC · 07/07/2024 09:51

Thank you everyone for your honest and kind responses.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/07/2024 10:30

"It's so hard to break a lifetime of being the person who saves the alcoholic".

And you have not managed to do that nor ever will.

Being a rescuer and or saviour in any relationship never works. And the only person who can help the alcoholic is the alcoholic. Clearly your mother and stepfather do not want your help and or support so I would leave them to it informing your other sibling that this is what you've decided to do.

Ultimately you can only help your own self here by walking away. Its hard being one of the last people left who bothers with them but really your selfish and self absorbed parents are not worth bothering about.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/07/2024 10:31

Indeed read about FOG and get help for your own self in breaking this; after all they put those buttons in you.

Grieve for the relationship you should have had rather than the one you actually got.

BeaSure · 07/07/2024 12:23

RiotC · 07/07/2024 09:04

I think they would be able to get NHS if they came back, but I think maybe time to take a break from trying to sort it.
(They are 64 and 78 to the person who asked earlier)
It's so hard to break a lifetime of being the person who saves the alcoholic.

you probably should be aware that children, even those living overseas, are considered to be legally responsible for their ageing parents - both in terms of organising care and paying for it of the parents cannot

How do the French authorities enforce that if the children are British citizens living n the UK?

OP - have you tried Al-Anon to try and get support for you as the daughter of an alcoholic?

rickyrickygrimes · 07/07/2024 13:22

@BeaSure

its complicated and I don’t know how often or how far the authorities pursue it but the mechanisms - international treaties of cooperation, formerly eu / now transitional agreements and also bilateral agreements between France and the UK - for pursuing any kind of maintenance, fine, penalty etc do exist. The OPs mum is Irish, therefore an EU citizen - the OP might be as well.

certainly (asi have seen having assets in both the uk and France) there has been rapid increase in how the governments cooperate to share information, driven by technology. There aren’t as many places to hide any more.

RiotC · 07/07/2024 16:51

Yeah I think AlAnon time is upon me.
I got out of a relationship with an Alcoholic 3 years ago (he is still my son's father though) and have built a very steady lovely family and have a nice husband now, but I think I may need to address this.
I've started reading the "It's not you" that someone recommended up thread and now I'm worried I've taken on narcissist traits to deal with all of this! I'm sure that's not the point of the book!

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AngryLikeHades · 07/07/2024 17:24

I wish you the best because you are trying very hard and they aren't taking enough responsibility.
I can't see if it's been suggested, but can you get your other siblings involved?

RiotC · 07/07/2024 18:27

In terms of being financially responsible for them I think I would have a good argument for not, I have no relationship with my step-father, I left home at 15 to get away from him and financially supported myself, went to uni as an "estranged" student financially, and on top of that he has 5 children that are older than me. My mum has nothing in her name, I believe if they were going to chase children for money they would go to his first, at least I hope so!

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getsomehelp · 12/07/2024 10:43

So your mother is an EU citizen ? She can get help from the French system. Someone who speaks French needs to go to the CCAS & get the assistant sociale involved. (I'm surprised the GP hasn't already done this ) starting with getting a Carte Vitale, which they can help with & getting your Mother into the system.

Or, You can stop being the person they turn to, They got themselves into this mess, Is it your responsibility to try & work it out from the other side of the channel ?

chemicalworld · 12/07/2024 11:13

I'm in a similar position to you. I have no advice as there is nothing I can do - they have chosen to live a 5 hour flight away, on top of a remote mountain - and their health is in decline.

I cannot do anything, I live here, it is too expensive for me to get over there. They cannot get home help - but have decided that this is the best thing for them. I feel that it is a waiting game - a very sad one. Step mother is too overweight to walk properly, Dad is very fragile after nearly dying from Septic shock last year.

I have accepted there is nothing I can do because this is their choice.

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