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Confused after sex

102 replies

SherbetLemon22 · 03/07/2024 11:37

Hi everyone,
I met a guy (we're both in our late thirties) through a mutual friend for a couple of months and managed to hang out with him in his friendship group a few times, although only every few weeks as we both work a lot and are in different cities. We've also been whatsapping a fair bit and he seemed like a really sweet person who I have things in common with, although obviously that's something you need to explore over time. Last weekend he asked if he could kiss me, we kissed and I suggested I go back to his place since I knew it'd be a while before I could come to his city again. He had a handful of teenage girlfriends, dated a woman more recently but only for a month or so I think and apart from that, just had one relationship for almost a decade with someone who didn't believe in living together or sex before marriage.
I found the sex pretty weird and I'm not sure what to make of it! I'm a confident and athletic woman, not petite and quite assertive in life, and he picked me up and carried me to the bedroom which hasn't happened with anyone since I was much younger. He said he was 'quite dom in the bedroom'. Then he was making growly animal noises, (gently) biting my neck, did a bit of manual stuff, bit of oral, I gave him some direction (faster, slower, press there, etc) and he was a bit thrown and said 'oh ok, erm, you're a bit bossy! Like you're saying faster one minute and then slow the next...' so I was like, well, all woman are obviously different so I need to show you what works for me. But I was feeling pissed off that he said I was bossy. We moved on to penetration and he seemed to be just moving from position to position and not really taking any cues or expecting feedback, then he said I was being really quiet and didn't look like I was enjoying it. He said he would have liked it if I'd been noisy and come really explosively (!) so I was trying to explain that I was unlikely to come the first few times with a new partner as it takes me time to adjust, and also thinking it's pretty unrealistic to expect that (although I only know for myself obviously, maybe some women do do that?). Neither of us came so I suggested we cuddle for a bit, he kept doing the growly biting thing and I ended up saying let's get some sleep now. He also said as we were having sex then would it be okay to be exclusive? I said sure because tbh that's generally how I operate anyway, I don't like focussing on multiple people at a time.
We spend time together the next day and he said a few more things I found pretty weird, one was that (I think he meant it as a compliment) he kept saying I was a 9/10 (haven't heard that kind of thing since I was a teenager!) Also, I hadn't shaved my happy trail as no one normally sees it and we were talking about body hair and I was saying how I generally don't bother to shave in the winter as it's cold here so it's always covered up, but generally do in the summer. He said that for him I was a bit less feminine with clothes off than on because of the happy trail and he'd never seen one on a woman before. So I was like, well, a lot of women have one but they shave it...
Since then he's been whatsapping me daily with flirty messages with kiss emojis and cutesy gifs and stuff. It got a bit much as I was abroad and very busy so after a couple of days I asked if we could just leave the whatsapping until I was back home. I just find that kind of thing quite annoying which I realise is something I should communicate to him, but I'm also a bit thrown at the level of contact this early in. I am an introvert who dislikes texting anyway so that could partly be me.
I'm trying to weigh up what to say to him now I am back home - he does seem like a super nice person and ordinarily I'd go on some dates with him and carry on getting to know him to see where things go. But the sexual dynamic was pretty off for me - not sure how much that's his personality and we're basically incompatible or how much it might be something that improves with time and a lot of input from me. The bossy comment, hair/femininity comment and 9/10 comment I would usually interpret as red flags but with him, I'm thinking maybe it's just bumbling around due to inexperience. On the other hand, how does someone get to their late thirties and act like this? Input would be very welcome.

OP posts:
LittleGreenDragons · 03/07/2024 16:53

loropianalover · 03/07/2024 12:42

I googled it!

vertical line of hair that extends up along the middle of a person's (usually a man's) abdomen from pubic hair to navel

You were brave googling that but thank you for your service (I didn't know either).

OP - you think he's weird, he thinks you are bossy - it's not going to work. Let him go.

Lotsofsnacks · 03/07/2024 17:19

SherbetLemon22 · 03/07/2024 11:37

Hi everyone,
I met a guy (we're both in our late thirties) through a mutual friend for a couple of months and managed to hang out with him in his friendship group a few times, although only every few weeks as we both work a lot and are in different cities. We've also been whatsapping a fair bit and he seemed like a really sweet person who I have things in common with, although obviously that's something you need to explore over time. Last weekend he asked if he could kiss me, we kissed and I suggested I go back to his place since I knew it'd be a while before I could come to his city again. He had a handful of teenage girlfriends, dated a woman more recently but only for a month or so I think and apart from that, just had one relationship for almost a decade with someone who didn't believe in living together or sex before marriage.
I found the sex pretty weird and I'm not sure what to make of it! I'm a confident and athletic woman, not petite and quite assertive in life, and he picked me up and carried me to the bedroom which hasn't happened with anyone since I was much younger. He said he was 'quite dom in the bedroom'. Then he was making growly animal noises, (gently) biting my neck, did a bit of manual stuff, bit of oral, I gave him some direction (faster, slower, press there, etc) and he was a bit thrown and said 'oh ok, erm, you're a bit bossy! Like you're saying faster one minute and then slow the next...' so I was like, well, all woman are obviously different so I need to show you what works for me. But I was feeling pissed off that he said I was bossy. We moved on to penetration and he seemed to be just moving from position to position and not really taking any cues or expecting feedback, then he said I was being really quiet and didn't look like I was enjoying it. He said he would have liked it if I'd been noisy and come really explosively (!) so I was trying to explain that I was unlikely to come the first few times with a new partner as it takes me time to adjust, and also thinking it's pretty unrealistic to expect that (although I only know for myself obviously, maybe some women do do that?). Neither of us came so I suggested we cuddle for a bit, he kept doing the growly biting thing and I ended up saying let's get some sleep now. He also said as we were having sex then would it be okay to be exclusive? I said sure because tbh that's generally how I operate anyway, I don't like focussing on multiple people at a time.
We spend time together the next day and he said a few more things I found pretty weird, one was that (I think he meant it as a compliment) he kept saying I was a 9/10 (haven't heard that kind of thing since I was a teenager!) Also, I hadn't shaved my happy trail as no one normally sees it and we were talking about body hair and I was saying how I generally don't bother to shave in the winter as it's cold here so it's always covered up, but generally do in the summer. He said that for him I was a bit less feminine with clothes off than on because of the happy trail and he'd never seen one on a woman before. So I was like, well, a lot of women have one but they shave it...
Since then he's been whatsapping me daily with flirty messages with kiss emojis and cutesy gifs and stuff. It got a bit much as I was abroad and very busy so after a couple of days I asked if we could just leave the whatsapping until I was back home. I just find that kind of thing quite annoying which I realise is something I should communicate to him, but I'm also a bit thrown at the level of contact this early in. I am an introvert who dislikes texting anyway so that could partly be me.
I'm trying to weigh up what to say to him now I am back home - he does seem like a super nice person and ordinarily I'd go on some dates with him and carry on getting to know him to see where things go. But the sexual dynamic was pretty off for me - not sure how much that's his personality and we're basically incompatible or how much it might be something that improves with time and a lot of input from me. The bossy comment, hair/femininity comment and 9/10 comment I would usually interpret as red flags but with him, I'm thinking maybe it's just bumbling around due to inexperience. On the other hand, how does someone get to their late thirties and act like this? Input would be very welcome.

Move on, he’s not for you. He sounds a bit childish with the hair comment, and the growling would put me off! He’s probably a nice guy, but that doesn’t mean you have to keep dating him to see if you like him, you would know by now.

millennialprobs · 03/07/2024 17:24

I got the ick just reading your post, so god knows how big of an ick you much have! Get rid, there's nothing positive in your post that suggests long term

MightyGoldBear · 03/07/2024 17:53

I counsel porn addicts through recovery. He gives off strong porn addict vibes unfortunately. The rating you the immaturity the insecurity he is ticking a lot of boxes that I see all the time.

It won't be just the sex that isn't great. If he is indeed a porn addict he will be emotionally stunted. Wont of learnt empathy or have high emotional intelligence. These men are also abusive.

The bossy comment is really telling. Healthy partners love feedback and have the skills to communicate their feelings safely without attacking or projecting their own negative feelings.

Regardless of him trust your gut you didn't leave feeling good. Thats all you need to know. This man doesn't make you feel good.

beatrix1234 · 03/07/2024 18:15

Moier · 03/07/2024 12:04

He's watched far too much porn.
He's doing/ asking what porn usually portrays

That’s the first thing I thought when I finished reading the post, he has all the tell tales of a guy who grew up watching too much porn. Calling you “bossy” because you like to let a partner what works for you (and what doesn’t)? Telling you he prefers the barbie doll look “down there”? Expecting you to grown and moan like a porn star? Wanting you to have a big noisy orgasm when for starters he’s not even keen to know how your body and mind works?

This is a bad case of “I’ve watched too much porn and have lost touch how women in real life operate”.

It’s looking cringey OP, you should be in the stage of “butterflies in the stomach” and instead you’re avoiding his wassap messages and getting all weirded out by him sexually. It’s not looking good and he’s got more red flags than a commie parade.

Sunshinethrumywindow · 03/07/2024 18:23

Sounds just like someone I once knew, I would advise you run.

Sorry I did laugh at happy trail I've never heard that one before!

MaxTalk · 03/07/2024 18:28

He sounds like someone from the Inbetweeners.

What a stone cold loser.

SOxon · 03/07/2024 18:40

Jutemat · 03/07/2024 14:21

Is it the school holidays already

brilliant, lol

ellebelli · 03/07/2024 18:53

I have heard it called The Garden Path!!|!

DixonD · 03/07/2024 19:05

Red flags or not, you’re sexually incompatible. You should at least be able to tell him what you like in bed. A lot of men would love that.

Well done for getting rid of him.

NonsuchCastle · 07/09/2024 20:38

Drop him. Giving you marks out of 10? NO. Making comments about your lady garden? NO. Drop the twat.

NonsuchCastle · 07/09/2024 20:40

Secondstart1001 · 03/07/2024 13:12

After you said he had a few teenager girlfriends it gave me the ick. Red flag there

I think she might have meant he had had a few girlfriends when he was a teenager.

NonsuchCastle · 07/09/2024 20:42

Foxblue · 03/07/2024 13:42

He's very inexperienced.
I'd be tempted to actually tell him straight:

'The fact you wanted me to cum in a certain way, but didn't like me guiding you on how to give me pleasure, is something you need to have a think about. When you have sex, it needs to be because you want to give the other person pleasure on terms that work for both of you, but you only seemed interested in pleasing yourself. You are never going to get an explosive orgasm out of someone if you arent following what someone is telling you about their body. Slow down, listen to when someone guides you, stop switching positions so much, and maybe stop with the growling unless someone specifically tells you they like that. Best of luck'

Then block him.
It's not your job to teach him, but personally I couldn't not say something!!

I wouldn't say a word to him, but that's probably because I've been around a long time.

Just4thisthreadtoday · 07/09/2024 20:47

Secondstart1001 · 03/07/2024 13:12

After you said he had a few teenager girlfriends it gave me the ick. Red flag there

@Secondstart1001 ehy? Did you not have teenage boyfriends/girlfriends??

beatrix1234 · 07/09/2024 20:48

NonsuchCastle · 07/09/2024 20:42

I wouldn't say a word to him, but that's probably because I've been around a long time.

And that’s probably how he still operates the way he does at his age: because woman in real life dump him with no explanation. Big mistake. If women in real life don’t tell this guy what he’s doing wrong he’s going to continue attending the “university of porn” and dumped by the ladies. The poor sod, someone needs to tell him.

Secondstart1001 · 07/09/2024 20:53

Just4thisthreadtoday · 07/09/2024 20:47

@Secondstart1001 ehy? Did you not have teenage boyfriends/girlfriends??

No I misconstrued. I thought her bf as an adult had teenager girlfriends and no I didn’t have a boyfriend till I was 21 as I was busy studying and that was priority. I knew I’d have plenty of time for that when I was established in my profession.

napody · 07/09/2024 20:59

Moier · 03/07/2024 12:04

He's watched far too much porn.
He's doing/ asking what porn usually portrays

Yup. He wasn't at all interested in what makes you tick in bed. Amd tne other stuff... negging? Sounds like a very odd and awkward experience based on him trying to apply what he's 'learned' online to an actual woman.

ScrollingLeaves · 07/09/2024 21:07

Your whole post from start to finish felt like fur rubbed the wrong way.

This would never work unless you were willing to use the old ‘lie back and think of England’ system.

beatrix1234 · 07/09/2024 22:04

@ScrollingLeaves This would never work unless you were willing to use the old ‘lie back and think of England’ system

Nah, the ‘lie back and think of England’ doesn’t involve shaved pussies and very loud fake orgasms, he needs a porn actress with great acting skills.

TerracottaWorrier · 08/09/2024 01:06

beatrix1234 · 07/09/2024 20:48

And that’s probably how he still operates the way he does at his age: because woman in real life dump him with no explanation. Big mistake. If women in real life don’t tell this guy what he’s doing wrong he’s going to continue attending the “university of porn” and dumped by the ladies. The poor sod, someone needs to tell him.

Edited

Nah. If he's so unreflective that he doesn't consider his part in rapidly getting dumped after sex then let him stay that way so women can rapidly notice he's an idiot and don't waste their time.

Grendell · 08/09/2024 01:12

I vicariously have the ick.

XChrome · 08/09/2024 01:27

He sounds like a neandrathal prick. How dare he call your lady bits unfeminine because they were in their natural state? Who asked him for his rancid opinion? I would have retorted; "I find your micropeen a bit unmasculine. I actually thought it was a clitoris at first."

He must be heavily into porn to think a bush is abnormal and that making growly noises is sexy.
Drop him like a hot rock.

XChrome · 08/09/2024 01:29

Moier · 03/07/2024 12:04

He's watched far too much porn.
He's doing/ asking what porn usually portrays

100%. Also, this is a man in his thirties who couldn't reach orgasm. Diagnosis; pornsick.

XChrome · 08/09/2024 01:32

beatrix1234 · 07/09/2024 20:48

And that’s probably how he still operates the way he does at his age: because woman in real life dump him with no explanation. Big mistake. If women in real life don’t tell this guy what he’s doing wrong he’s going to continue attending the “university of porn” and dumped by the ladies. The poor sod, someone needs to tell him.

Edited

She could tell him and dump him.
It's futile though, because once they've watched that much porn they aren't ever going to learn. The brain has been altered and will just not accept any information contrary to the brainwashing.

BobbyBiscuits · 08/09/2024 01:36

He sounds awful. Like his sexual 'technique' is to make grunting noises, fail to make you come, not care, move from position to position like he thinks that makes him a top shagger? Then complains about being given direction and that you didn't 'come explosively'. Hmm, wonder why?

It literally sounds worse than a teenager who's watched too much porn. The way he talks about women's bodily hair as well. Fucking ick central.

Please just say sayonara. You can do so much better than this tragic misogynist.

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