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Baggage getting in the way?

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delice89 · 28/06/2024 09:22

I am mid 60s, widowed several years ago after a long and happy marriage. Met someone a couple of years older through a local interest group and recently started dating. We have had 5/6 dates so far and we get on incredibly well, lots in common etc. He is genuinely lovely, wants to make me happy etc (as I do him) but: -

He had a long marriage to someone who was unfaithful which hurt him a lot, although he says he trusts me (but initially said afraid of being hurt). He separated from his wife over a decade ago and they live separately, but are still on good terms, which I regard as a positive, especially as they have an adult DC together. He says he loves her like a sister now. However, they have never divorced - originally he said it was to do with the pension, then that they hadn't got round to it. He has been very open with me about all this, but I do find it slightly odd.

It was all going very well then 'ex' had serious mental breakdown and is currently hospitalised which he is, understandably, very upset and concerned about, and also closely involved in treatment decisions etc (he is still next of kin). He is quite depressed and I know that he finds me a great support, which I want to continue to be. He says he wants her to be well but has previously said ie before she was so ill, that he felt trapped. My reading of the situation is that she is still very dependent on him (they shared a bubble in lockdown) and apparently she would like them to get back together, but he says that he doesn't want that and that his mental health wouldn't last more than 12 months.

However, a couple of things concern me. Apart from the fact that they are not actually divorced, he said to me once that I had the same middle name as her, same build, same eye colour, even her cat's name is the same as my cat (although sadly lost cat recently). He was being very open - I think he was asking himself that's why he likes me and it has planted a seed. And, although I know that it is very early on to use the 'L' word, I think I was growing to love him quite quickly - the relationship exploded very fast - and he said he was 'falling in love' with me.

Now, it's a case of I am someone he could love, wants us to go on holiday together, have adventures together, sees me as big part of his future, wants me to meet his DC in due course etc, although for the moment I have to remain a secret. He said he has loved once, as have I, and I still grieve for my DH, which is my 'baggage'. We agreed that it would be odd not to have baggage at our age. He seems very keen for us to be close - said he was 'honoured' when I cried (about DH) as it showed that I trusted him and that my 'walls were coming down'.

But I am finding it all a bit difficult, not least because I am struggling to navigate a new relationship after so many years. And, although I completely understand his current situation and want to support him, there is a selfish part of me that wants him to love me as DH loved me (we fell in love at first sight so I know that my experience has given me unrealistic expectations).

Also, he has ED which I know is not uncommon at this age. At first, with encouragement this could be overcome, but now he is depressed he just wants to give pleasure to me. He is very generous in this regard, but it makes me feel under pressure to climax as he says if I don't he 'isn't doing his job properly'. And it has made me realise that maybe my DH didn't do much to please me, although we loved each other so much.

I don't know what I'm asking really, and of course the relationship is at a very early stage (although I make my mind up very quickly). And he can't even stay the night because he is looking after the wife's cat! 🙈😂

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Girlmom35 · 28/06/2024 09:28

His ties to his ex wife are very unhealthy. They have adult children. If anyone should be in the position to make medical decisions, take care of the cat etc, it should be the children.

And there is not a single reason why in your situation you should be a secret.

There are a lot of red flags here. I don't want to assume he has any bad intentions or is lying about anything - although it's possible - but even in the best case he just doesn't seem ready for the kind of relationship you're hoping for, because he's still way too attached to his ex.

yeesh · 28/06/2024 09:30

It’s all too much drama early days, being with someone who is married will always make life difficult and over complicated, especially as you age. not staying overnight because of a cat is either a lie or utterly ridiculous

WavingTree · 28/06/2024 09:32

Weird all round. I wouldn’t waste any more time on this tbh, life’s too short

AttilaTheMeerkat · 28/06/2024 09:35

You and he should no longer be together. You’re being strung along here and for whatever reasons he’s still not divorced from his ex wife. Had not got around to it indeed, he must think you were born yesterday. This man is not worthy of tying your shoes and is duplicitous at the very least. Bin him off now and enjoy the drama free peace.

Beautifulbythebay · 28/06/2024 09:38

Even if he had cock of gold he can't use it! Seriously aren't you worth more than being in a secret relationship?
Make a list of his priorities..
Note you are at the bottom of that list...

Drizzlebizzle · 28/06/2024 09:39

Sounds like a total headfuck. He wants his ex and also wants you - but only if you stay hidden. He's still married, he's depressed, your sex life is crap, he says you feeling the loss of your DH is 'baggage', he says he trusts you not to cheat on him even though his ex cheated - how generous of him! He is showing more consideration to his ex's cat than you.

Bittenonce · 28/06/2024 09:43

There's a lot going on here and in many ways he sounds a lot like me, so from my POV:

Still married: Not an issue in itself, I'm still technically married and think I'd only change that now to remarry.
ED: Usually fixable, and he's trying.
Your similarity to his ex: Hmmm . There's a Lyle Lovett song 'I married her, just because she looks like you'.......
The real elephant in the room is that he seems prepared to put her (or even her cat) first. And if she's wanting him back, and is unwell, it sounds like she could pull on his strings any time she wanted. For me, that's the biggest barrier you have to navigate around

TwoThousandAcresofBlueSkyThinking · 28/06/2024 10:03

he said to me once that I had the same middle name as her, same build, same eye colour, even her cat's name is the same as my cat

Have you heard of mirroring?

He was being very open - I think he was asking himself that's why he likes me and it has planted a seed. And, although I know that it is very early on to use the 'L' word, I think I was growing to love him quite quickly - the relationship exploded very fast - and he said he was 'falling in love' with me

Have you heard of love bombing? And manipulation?

I have to remain a secret

Why?

He seems very keen for us to be close - said he was 'honoured' when I cried (about DH) as it showed that I trusted him and that my 'walls were coming down'.

This is worrying. You are already sharing your innermost and he's telling you he knows that. He's said it. Please be very, very careful what else you share with him, if anything. He will use your weak point(s) against you.

But I am finding it all a bit difficult

Listen to that feeling, it is trying to protect you.

but it makes me feel under pressure

More pressure, for you.

I don't know what I'm asking really, and of course the relationship is at a very early stage

All this pressure, doubt and drama after five or six dates?

And he can't even stay the night because he is looking after the wife's cat!

So he says.

Please @delice89 be very careful, this man may well have targeted you. He might seem charming and genuine but the best conmen are very believable. Listen to those doubts you have, they're there for a reason.

Lurkingandlearning · 28/06/2024 10:13

Agree with all the above. At the very least withdraw and tell him you’ll see how you feel once he has sorted his wife out.

Have a dispassionate think about whether he is right for you bearing in mind all the flags you have raised but perhaps more importantly, if his wife suffers from poor mental health she might relapse at any time in the future and you will always be put on the back burner while he cares for her

delice89 · 28/06/2024 11:06

Thank you so much for your replies.

I am going to give this some serious thought and either call it a day or say that we can just be friends until he has sorted out his feelings for his wife. Thanks for giving me perspective. I know that I am not in first flush of youth (to put it mildly) but I still don't want to settle for being second best.

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GoldDuster · 28/06/2024 11:17

It's too early days for it to be feeling this difficult, and he can't stay the night because he's looking after his ex wife's cat? Never a less romantic line was spoken.

You can do better than this. Your gut is telling you something, listen.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 28/06/2024 11:54

Call it a day and do not remain friends with him going forward. He could take another decade to sort out his feelings re his wife and you really do not want to be a part of that dysfunctional relationship. NEVER settle for being second best here.

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