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Things my ex did and I still stayed

93 replies

datcherygrateful · 20/06/2024 12:03

Thought we can share what our exes have done and yet we still stayed but looking back could not believe we did not leave sooner.

For me- I am ashamed but have learnt a biiiig lesson. TRUST YOUR GUT

Anyway, there's loads but I'll start with

First Date, complimented me and said I was his type and that it was difficult dating online and that and I quote him saying "I don't like black women or fat women" - YEP. ON THE FIRST DATE and I stayed??!

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Garlicker · 22/06/2024 23:45

Desertislandparadise · 22/06/2024 22:29

Reading all these situations, I'm left wondering why you stayed after the first horrific date or red flags in the first few months? And if you were giving advice to a daughter, what would you tell her? Is there anything someone could have said to you back then that would have changed your mind?

Edited

It's incredible how many people - friends, family, co-workers, internet sprites - will encourage you (especially if you're female) "not to think the worst". To magic up implausible explanations and excuses. To accept they just don't know better. To feel sorry for the poor love, he's stressed - as seen in every single report of a family murder/suicide. To take on the burden of our fear and pain plus his discomfort, his reputation and our shame.

When some homicidal lunatic chops up his wife and children then hangs himself, over half the media coverage focuses on what a lovely man he was, but stressed. It's as though lovely men, when anxious, might naturally be expected to kill their families. And whose job is it to keep them calm? Their wives, of course. We're supposed to treat men as gods and, simultaneously, toddlers who don't know how to manage their emotions. The subtext is that our lives, and our children's, depend on it.

This existential threat runs underneath every confrontation between women and men; nearer the surface in some cases than in others. I was raised by a tempestuously violent man and a woman who tenderly "understood" him. I learned a great deal about what not to do when Daddy was tired or worried, because if I did the wrong things he would hit me. I learned very little about whether anyone should hit me at all. I learned not to have problems, not to tell anyone about family life, and never to let anyone see Mum's bruises or hear her crying. I was a fully-trained, staggeringly tolerant victim.

Women like me are, confusingly, called "strong". Strong in terms of endurance, yes, but it's far stronger to know we're worth better than that and get the fuck out of there.

AcrossthePond55 · 22/06/2024 23:53

ItsFreedomBabyYeah · 21/06/2024 00:16

Buckle In - It's Long ish

When we first met/were dating - he completely misrepresented himself. Lied. Exaggerated. I believe he was telling me what he thought I wanted to hear, instead of the truth. FYI, the guy wasn't a slouch, so there was NO reason for him to do this. He felt he was punching above his weight, so he lied.

Lovebombed. Hard. Readers, this was almost 20 years ago, before anyone had heard of love bombing. Basically, love bombing resulted in a very whirlwind romance. Moved in after 6 weeks, he was desperate to have a baby (another deliberate ploy to "keep me" - he has admitted to that!), so a few months later I was pregnant, so we got married. All of this within a year.

By the time I became aware of all this, I was married, with an infant, had moved many, many, many miles from home for this man... and I didn't want to be a single mum. I do remember once thinking to myself that if we did split, would 'fraud' be grounds for divorce...

He wasn't the greatest husband. Funnily enough, the lies just kept coming and coming and coming. He lied about basic, inane stuff that you don't need to lie about. He is just unable to tell the truth. He was also a cheat.

The real kicker though - he's not my Ex. I'm still married to this guy. I have stayed with him. Mostly for the kids. Mostly for the financial stability. Mostly for me, I was scared to be alone.

Oh honey, I'm so sad for you. I do understand staying for financial stability. But please listen. Right now I assume your children keep you happy and he works so you get a break from him on a day to day basis. But someday the children will be gone and he will retire and you'll have to put up with him 24/7/365. Please find a way, make some kind of a plan, to be financially self supporting by then. Your life will be hell on earth if you don't.

We have a friend who was married to a man who was just intolerable. He wasn't physically abusive, but he was so self centred that he believed the world literally revolved around him, his job, and his hobbies. He could talk of nothing but himself and if you tried to introduce a new subject he swiftly brought it back to 'him'. She tolerated him because he worked long hours, and like you, for the children and the financial security. But when he announced to her that he was planning to retire in 6 months and she'd never get a break from him, she quietly made her plans. About 2 months before his final day she packed up her belongings, emptied half the bank accounts and did a 'midday flit'. Her financial situation isn't 1/4 of their 'standard of living' but she's as happy as Larry and has met a nice fellow.

Just be aware that there is a better life out there if the time comes.

CovertCarl · 22/06/2024 23:58

What a wonderful post @Garlicker

AcrossthePond55 · 23/06/2024 00:24

Wonderful post @Garlicker

I'd just add that, chances are, there are as many reason why we stay as there are stars in the skies. But only one reason why we leave, because we just can't take it anymore. At that point, nothing else matters but getting away.

And if a person is the type who can spot an abuser and run away, that person will never understand why we stay.

"This existential threat runs underneath every confrontation between women and men"

What was it that Margaret Atwood said? "Men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them".

SoulSurvivor · 23/06/2024 00:30

early 20s, i went over my boyfriends house. His parents were away and he had invited his mate and his girlfriend over for us to have drinks and watch telly/chat. An hour in, some of his other mates turn up. Hes in the kitchen talking to them and decides he’s heading out with them to a party. I was left sat on the sofa with these two mates really awkward. Didn’t even ask if we wanted to go

Disneydatknee88 · 23/06/2024 01:18

There were so many red flags when we first started dating but I ignored them all because it was my first relationship and I thought it was normal to go into work on a Monday and moan about all the useless things your partner did. We were together 3 years when our son was born and we plodded along. He got much worse after son was born. Far more demanding. When our son was a few months old and I was on mat leave, he was moaning at me to hang the washing out. I was in the middle of reading a magazine and because I didn't do it the minute he asked, he grabbed me by the wrists and dragged me to the clothes horse! It was the first and last time he ever laid a hand on me.

floppybit · 23/06/2024 01:56

Oh @Sharontheodopolodous what have I just read, that broke my heart just reading it, I'm so fucking sorry you went through that x

floppybit · 23/06/2024 02:00

@GlitteryFarts wow, what an absolute cunt

Redflagsabounded · 23/06/2024 11:03

I'm so ashamed I stayed after my now-ex's horrible behaviours - I could see it was wrong, I recognise red flags, but there was also much good stuff so I excused it as his low self-esteem and drunken arsery. Ex now but far too late 😁 I have now had counselling about this as it was a pattern of mine.

I've never told anyone these...too embarrassing that I didn't end it then

Out at pub
Him: are you wearing a bra?
Me: of course, why would you ask that?
Him: your tits look saggy.

Out at pub I got creeped on by local creep who ran his hand up my back and made a complimentary but unwanted comment on my body. Told ex. Ex found it hilarious and went round the whole place telling everyone and laughing uproariously at his following 'should have gone to Specsavers' joke. I can't forget how awkward everyone looked and the awful pitying way they all looked at me.

Would wind me up till I cried, then say I had no sense of humour.

Dear god, he was awful, wasn't he.

I can't explain why I stayed so long.

JackieQueen · 23/06/2024 11:51

💐💐💐💐💐💐To all of you x

BreaktheCycle · 23/06/2024 12:24

To the pp who want to leave and think they can’t - start planning an exit plan and start saving as much or as little money you can.

I’m in my 40s now and it was a long time ago as I was a teenager, but we packed a few bags in the middle of the night and left after a visit to A&E.
After a week or so of staying with family, we stayed in a refuge for several months until my mum was able to move my younger sister and I to a new area. Luckily, my mum managed to continue working throughout all of this.

My personal experience of abuse and of working in the system has cemented my decision to never be totally financially dependent on anyone.

I have two school mum friends who are silently planning their exits by retraining, volunteering and securing paid employment in order to leave one day.

I’m aware that many local services and charities in the UK are overwhelmed and at breaking point, but the local authority has a duty to ensure families with children are not homeless.

It breaks my heart to read all of these harrowing anecdotes.
Wishing you all the best for the future 💐💫

datcherygrateful · 23/06/2024 15:33

It was the day of my mum's funeral, and after the funeral I was crying in my room. My exH was on the phone to his parents. He called me down and said "it's rude that you haven't come down to speak to them yet. Come on"

A couple of weeks after, he said "she was better off dead, life is shit anyway"

I could sense he was getting frustrated with my crying as everything reminded me of her. He said "I have rights as a husband, I'm giving you one more week. That's more than the compassionate leave you get at work"

My ExP lied about the debt he had. He had 10K in unsecured loans, even though he flat out promised me that he was solvent.

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rstare786 · 23/06/2024 15:44

I forgot another thing! I was lucky I had breast cancer because the insurance paid off my mortgage and I'm fine now anyway.

Redflagsabounded · 23/06/2024 15:44

Oh yeah, grieving. My parent died - he couldn't come to the hospital because of 'work', got home he was pissed up and watching sport on TV. He said 'are you okay' and before I could answer his eyes slid back to the TV. I sat up crying all night on my own as he drunkenly snored from bed. I tackled this in the morning and he walked out for several hours.

He later excused it as finding death difficult. Wtf doesn't?

Then a couple of weeks later he said he was worried about me as I'd been acting a 'bit mental' since my parent died.

I regret excusing his shitty behaviour for 10 wasted years. The 90% good does not make up for it.

Redflagsabounded · 23/06/2024 15:46

It feels good to get examples out there. I was too embarrassed to tell my counsellor the details, but we did a lot of work around boundaries.

Redflagsabounded · 23/06/2024 15:51

There was a complicated set of legal paperwork he had, he wanted me to go through it and advise. I said don't sign it, if you do X will happen. He signed it anyway, saying X won't happen. It happened. When he found out he came home furious and tried to pick a fight over ridiculous unconnected things.

Lieslies · 23/06/2024 15:54

He became ill on day 2 of our UK holiday, wanted to go home, insisted I stayed on to enjoy the holiday. Drove straight to OW for a 5 day shag fest then came to pick me up looking as though butter wouldn't melt.

I wish I'd found a way to get there and knocked on her door, but I was in the middle of nowhere facing a long and expensive journey I couldn't afford by public transport.

Lieslies · 23/06/2024 16:04

But I only stayed a month then kicked him out.

I had stayed through lots of suspicious stuff though, trying to convince myself he wasn't having an affair.

BobbyBiscuits · 23/06/2024 16:22

These ones I did leave shortly after, thank god, but the ones that spring to mind are-
Moving into my flat by stealth, stopped paying his rent, stopped working, refused to claim benefits or pay rent in my flat, locked me in the flat, threw my bag out the window, harassed everyone in my phone saying he'd kill them and telling them I have Chlamydia (I didn't) but he did give me HPV, never had consensual sex, threatened to kill my boss, forced me to leave my job, stole my passport, forced me to leave my house, broke my nose, split my lip, punched me numerous times, made me leave my own flat and ran up loads of debts in my name, stole my possessions, threw tins and old rotary phones at my face, stalked me and my friends and family for months. That was one person...
Other highlights include tearing the ligament in my knee so it's permanently damaged, anal rape, more beatings and shovings, pushings, attempt to get me hooked on heroin and crack, accuse me of cheating with their best mate who I hated...

Molone · 23/06/2024 16:25

He would wake me up in the middle of the night to start an argument or to try and catch me out about something I supposedly said that wasn’t true 😏

Molone · 23/06/2024 16:26

Telling me not to come home upset after my mothers funeral as he didn’t want me making him miserable.

FionaBeee · 23/06/2024 16:31

A couple of red-flags early on that my 49-year old self is now screaming at my 20-something self;
He told me that his ex-girlfriend had insisted on going out with him when she had a broken/twisted/damaged ankle, he didn't want to go, so he deliberately kicked her ankle 'accidentally' when she was going downstairs....
We moved to Australia, no friends (me anyway as I was SAHM) or family, and on our daughters 1st Christmas he got up Christmas Day and went out to play golf until just after lunch and then moaned that I had opened presents without him.
Also early in Aus, he went to take a video back on Sunday evening (yes that long ago!) that we had for Saturday night, didn't reappear for hours, after frantic texts and phone calls, I checked telephone banking and he'd wiped out $1000 of cash and $1000 of overdraft at the pokies (slot machines) leaving us without any money for food or rent.

I wish I had taken notice of those, or had MN to tell me to pull my head out of my arse. The reality was that it took another 20 years to leave smh.

dontbeabsurd · 23/06/2024 16:32

During one of our first walks I found sth on the beach and gave it to him as a cute, funny, romantic gift. Fast forward a year, he came back from being away and he’s telling me to close my eyes as he’s got a little something for me. There’s an accompanying story about how much he’s missed me and that when he found this little object he immediately thought of me….
Yes, it was the same thing I gave him a year earlier. He forgot. And lied. I was naive and confused back then, and didn’t call him out on that lie. I should have RUN that very moment.
Sometimes the biggest red flags manifest themselves as weird little lies.
He’s the ‘butter wouldn’t melt’ type of covert narcissist.

ash677x · 23/06/2024 16:35

Stole money out of my house.. there could be 20p sitting on top of the bench and he would take it and deny it.

Took my card to the shop while I was asleep (I heard him and woke up and transferred all my money so my card wouldn't work hehe)

I could write a list. He's now with a new girl, has been for a year and they have a child together. I fear for her safety with this man but it's not my place to talk to her. She's probably in too deep.

seensome · 23/06/2024 16:55

I came out of a long marriage, exh had ditched me, and got myself into another relationship 6 months later, it's a vulnerable time, just wanted someone to be there for me, turned out worse than that the exh!
Would talk, flirt with other women when we were out together, just walk off leaving me sitting there while he starts conversations with other people, had arranged to go over to his one evening after work only to find he decided to go out without telling me. Neg me, didn't like my clothes, shoes, said I looked like shit, more interested in gaming and ignoring my existence while I let him stay at mine and fed him.
I did get a bit of revenge when we broke up he left some of his things at mine that went unclaimed for months so I tipped them and he was annoyed when I told him lol.