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What to do when my friend's Husband treat his family horribly?

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kiraandcharlie · 19/06/2024 09:24

Hello, I am a 26F is my friend is 26F. I met her through my husband and we have become best friends. I have two children and she has four, one of which is only two weeks old. Two of her children have ADHD, one is violent. She is a fantastic woman and tries her best despite her situation.
She is engaged to 27M, and has been in a relationship with him for 10 years. He met her when she was in an abusive situation in college. I love her to pieces but hearing about him, a man who is best friends with my husband, at how he treats her the kids is making me very angry. I feel helpless because I don't think that she is in a good situation and I think she can do a lot better. And I do worry about the kids too.
This man has been unemployed for 10 years. He claims benefits a man has claimed that he has anxiety and depression but it does not affect his social life. He sits at home for most of the time, usually eight hours plus, playing video games. Despite this he does not help out with the children. He expects my friend to do all childcare related stuff and also expects her to do every single bit in the house. Every time that they've had children he is turned to her and said he will not be doing any nappies. Even during her giving birth he left her multiple times despite her being extremely frightened. In arguments I have had him use ‘well you wanted them’ to shut her up when she is talking about his lack of engagement with any of the children.
He has spoken to me and my husband about essentially giving her a favour By allowing her to be at home with the children and that he is a traditional man. And he believes that women are better at home and men should provide. But he doesn't. He has got his family into extreme amounts of debt an I have watched him on multiple occasions use the Universal Credit budget on himself. I don't understand how he can have a wonderful computer and a whole gaming setup costing a large amount of money and brand new TV's whereas his fiance can't contact anyone because she doesn't have any credit, and the children have holes in all of their socks and underwear. They're finding themselves struggling for money for food an he goes to the shop and purchases a £7 bag of crisps for himself.
My friend is clearly struggling to care for all four children by herself and clean the entire house by herself while she has a man making mess and not cleaning up after himself 24/7. She's clearly unhappy but she keeps making excuses for him and I don't really know what to do at this point.
She would be better off being single then being a single married mother.
He has used the excuse for a few months while she was heavily pregnant that he might get a job. And that if he does get a job she will have to do all of this stuff. He used this as a way to make sure that she would continue doing all of the school drop offs and nursery drop offs, while heavily pregnant with gestational diabetes, because he may get a job one day and therefore won't be able to do it.
I am concerned about the kids too. He screams at them and at front of me too. One of his particular children that has ADHD he's particulary nasty to. He will constantly belittle this child and say that everything this child is doing is wrong. And he will scream at this child and tell this child to sit still even though these children are stuck in the house in a little room behind him playing games for hours on end. He will not take any of these children out to the park or anything fun for them and just plays his games but he is OK with going out and getting drunk if he feels like it. I have watched him throw a toy at this child's face because this child was playing with this toy loudly.
When I was told that social services had been called on them I was really hopeful that they may have told him that he needed to do better than what he was but nothing happened and I think this is because my friend is trying so hard to protect her fiance but is also doing really really well with her children despite the situation. He was in complete denial that he even needed social services involvement.
Now she has a two week old baby and he refuses like he did with the last three to change any nappies. He is now expecting had to do the school runs and look after this baby all by herself again. He took the boys to school a few times and then he's given up an his being quite nasty and grumpy towards her with the excuse that he's quitting vaping but this is not the first time.

while she was heavily pregnant he opened up the home to his stepbrother Annie step brothers girlfriend. His stepbrother is extremely sexist. Both of the men expected this heavily pregnant woman to pick up after both of them, make them all dinner and take care of all of the kids. Not only that they expected her to make separate dinners for them because they didn't like the same thing. This man took their youngest daughter's bedroom for months and eventually abandoned it. I help my friend by cleaning out this room and this step brother left piles of food rotting, had clearly been smoking in the room and destroying the furniture the windows and the bedroom with cigarettes and even left needles out. I really don't understand how this quote unquote fiancee is allowing this to happen to his fiance, my friend and think this is OK.

he can be nasty to her. Despite getting them in thousands of pounds worth of debt he keeps hold of her card so she doesn't have access to the money and he's very selfish with his money. He's lazy and quite frankly does not have any decent excuse for what he's doing.

I'm going around the house I'm cooking them food, I've cleaned up the house on multiple occasions and I babysat the kids. I'm trying my best to support my best friend but I don't know what to do. She shouldn't be treated like this, what can I do? And what can I do because if this man is OK with throwing a toy at his child's face in front of me, what else is he doing to those children?

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Shoxfordian · 19/06/2024 09:32

Unfortunately until she wakes up and dumps him, there's not much you can do other than treading the fine line between being supportive and telling her what a knob he is

HoarseSoprano · 19/06/2024 09:41

And your DH is best friends with this longterm abuser? Has he never addressed his behaviour with him? Why does he continue to be his friend? Who called social services — is it worth calling again, if the children are being exposed to violence and drug paraphernalia?

Bluebell247 · 19/06/2024 09:45

Call social services. Throwing objects at a child's face is abuse.

determinedtomakethiswork · 19/06/2024 09:46

Call social services. You might want to take a long hard look at your own husband here. Judge people by the company they keep.

kiraandcharlie · 19/06/2024 09:48

HoarseSoprano · 19/06/2024 09:41

And your DH is best friends with this longterm abuser? Has he never addressed his behaviour with him? Why does he continue to be his friend? Who called social services — is it worth calling again, if the children are being exposed to violence and drug paraphernalia?

My huband has been friends with him 20 years. He has only started noticing this behaviour more since we met as before hand they were mostly gaming friends and didn't give it much thought why a father of multiple would be on a game for 8hours +.

My huband has addressed the behaviour, quite angrily actually now. And now my husband helps my friend out a fair bit and helps take the kids out with ours. Our issue with cutting that relationship off it basically leaving her and the kids in that situation, unable to help. So we tred carefully.

Neighbours or family I believe. No drugs are involved (the needles were diabetic needles, I should have cleared that up) and the step brother is now gone completely but I am concerned with the behaviour towards the children and how he completely diregards anything my friend says or is upset about

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Babycatsmummy · 19/06/2024 09:51

If he's withholding money from her, that's also financial abuse. Would she consider talking to women's aid for some support?

kiraandcharlie · 19/06/2024 09:51

To clarify, my husband is an excellent father and man.

He was mostly online gaming friends with this man. He only started getting involved with their kids ONCE I met him.

Since then my husband has angrily challenged his friend. Takes my friend to appointments, helps out with the kids, buys the kids clothes. He treats those children and my friend as family. He does not like his friends behaviour and to this day, still challenges his behvaiour openly.

IF my husband stopped contact with this 27M, we would lose all contact with my friend and the kids. AT the very least, we can be around to help as much as we can in the meantime.

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kiraandcharlie · 19/06/2024 09:54

Bluebell247 · 19/06/2024 09:45

Call social services. Throwing objects at a child's face is abuse.

They have been involved and did nothing despite all that.

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kiraandcharlie · 19/06/2024 09:54

Babycatsmummy · 19/06/2024 09:51

If he's withholding money from her, that's also financial abuse. Would she consider talking to women's aid for some support?

That is what we thought too. And no, I don't think she has come to the realisation this is wrong yet. She makes excuses. She is such a kind, wonderful soul, she isn't there yet

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lonelysad · 19/06/2024 10:08

Allowing her kids to be abused isn't being a kind and loving soul. You need to have a word with her about their best interests as it seems like having a man trumps everything and shes facilitating his abuse.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 19/06/2024 10:17

I realise it's a bit late now, but have you ever addressed with your friend why she came to have four children with this loser? Also why your own DH "didn't give it much thought why a father of multiple would be on a game for 8hours", to say nothing of the rest of the partner's behaviour?

Frankly it sounds like a complete lack of judgement all round, but I'm not sure there's much you can do until your friend accepts what's happening for herself

Babycatsmummy · 19/06/2024 10:25

kiraandcharlie · 19/06/2024 09:54

That is what we thought too. And no, I don't think she has come to the realisation this is wrong yet. She makes excuses. She is such a kind, wonderful soul, she isn't there yet

It really is so hard when you can see from the outside what’s going on.
The way my friends helped me to realise was to tell me they needed advice on something. They described a friend and what she was going through and then they asked me if I thought it was abuse or not. When I replied it was, my best friend said to me it’s you darling. And the reality hit me x

kiraandcharlie · 19/06/2024 10:43

Puzzledandpissedoff · 19/06/2024 10:17

I realise it's a bit late now, but have you ever addressed with your friend why she came to have four children with this loser? Also why your own DH "didn't give it much thought why a father of multiple would be on a game for 8hours", to say nothing of the rest of the partner's behaviour?

Frankly it sounds like a complete lack of judgement all round, but I'm not sure there's much you can do until your friend accepts what's happening for herself

Before I met my husband he was immature and had no idea about children. Once he met us, he began to realise the crap. Just complete ignorance on his end. And yes, gave him a stern talking to about it because I couldn't understand how he didn't notice.

And my friend has low confidence. She comes from serious physical abuse and then this guy came onto the scene. I don't think she thinks she can survive without him. And she an mistake with this man early on, and since then, she almost feels like she doesn't deserve any better. She thinks he can change and hold onto him being nice at the start of the relationship

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kiraandcharlie · 19/06/2024 10:44

Babycatsmummy · 19/06/2024 10:25

It really is so hard when you can see from the outside what’s going on.
The way my friends helped me to realise was to tell me they needed advice on something. They described a friend and what she was going through and then they asked me if I thought it was abuse or not. When I replied it was, my best friend said to me it’s you darling. And the reality hit me x

Thank you! That is pretty good advice. I may try that actually!

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DaisyChainsandSunnyDays · 19/06/2024 11:10

OP you and your DH are wonderful friends.
@Babycatsmummy your advice is wonderful
I had a friend go hard complaining about my then BFs behaviour, when I had rose tinted glasses on firmly and sadly I was not ready to hear it. I felt attacked and couldn't see my life without BF

Now, 10+ years later I can see they were absolutely correct, but perhaps how they approached me could have been better?
I mean it was on me to look after my own boundaries and not allowing others to mistreat me but if I was given more practical advice, at that low point of my life it would have really helped me.

Your friend went from one abusive relationship to next, there is a reason why she allows his behaviour to continue and puts his needs above hers and her children's wellbeing.
Perhaps if she saw it from different perspective, like @Babycatsmummy suggests, had advice from women's aid, and realised that she can survive, heal and thrive without him.
Please tread carefully, reassure her you are here for her and what's happening is not normal and healthy and that you will help her.

Bananalanacake · 19/06/2024 11:38

Why is a healthy adult claiming UC, I thought it was for those needing help to top up low wages

Snugglemonkey · 19/06/2024 12:25

kiraandcharlie · 19/06/2024 09:54

They have been involved and did nothing despite all that.

Multiple reports help build up a picture though. It is worth trying.

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