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How to start contact again with ex

26 replies

SnackFish · 12/06/2024 10:20

and the children? Split 7 years ago. Never been consistent or present as a father since we split. Never taken them anywhere or had them overnight (all his choice I have been asking for years and always met with a no,
would only come down to visit them) he has been pretty much absent the whole time apart from a few occasions where he's come back claiming to want to be involved only to disappear again.

He's done this repeatedly over the 7 years. Last time was a year ago, he came back and was seeing them but then was suppose to come down for our daughters birthday and cancelled on the day, after that he kept making plans to come down on certain days and not showing up, literally just not showing up or cancelling the night before at 2/3am. He has never had any set contact days as he's always refused and would only come down as and when he was free and usually he would let me know the week before, he wasn't seeing them regularly and would often go months between contact, so he saw them at Xmas one year then didn't see them again till march. He had the children's direct phone numbers but kept promising to see them then not showing up this was causing a lot of upset so I put a stop to direct contact. He also never called them and would only message about once/ twice a month. The children started to feel like he wasn't interested in talking to them if they messaged first he would take days to respond so they stopped messaging him.

Like I said this was a year ago and he hasn't had any contact since then. He contacted me recently wanting to see them again and saying he isn't going to mess them around again but how best can I make sure this doesn't happen? What steps would you take? What's the best way to protect them from him letting them down again and how would you start contact again for him to show that he is serious and going to be consistent and present father? This is the message from him "I just want to help and build a relationship with them. And help. Soon as my rooms are done I will take them down here and take them regularly. So you have space. I know things are strained between us and the kids but I would really like to turn things around. I've never hated you, I care for you lots I was just in a bad head space" does this sound like he genuinely is ready to step up and be a father? I don't want my children messed around again and want to protect them but also he is their father. How is the best way to reintroduce contact again as he hasn't seen them for a year now? I often wonder if there's something I should have done the previous times before restarting contact again to make sure he was actually genuine. Has anyone's ex actually stepped after after so long and lots of messing around, can someone really change?

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Greatmate · 12/06/2024 10:23

How old are the kids?

vodkaredbullgirl · 12/06/2024 10:43

I doubt he will have changed.

SnackFish · 12/06/2024 10:46

The older children are preteens, youngest is 7 he left when I was pregnant and didn't see her till she was a year old and has only seen her a handful of times since then so she doesn't really know him at all

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Loubelle70 · 12/06/2024 11:01

Tbh my DD had a flaky dad, let her down so much. I said to him...you let her down to again you wont be able to see her again, or go to court to get contact order. He let her down, he never came again. Last warning, let them down one more time you wont see them again unless through courts. Protect your kids hearts

Lmnop22 · 12/06/2024 11:30

Do they want to see him? I mean, the older ones who are able to understand a bit more?

I would probably bring the possibility of seeing up in conversation in an indirect way and gauge their reactions to the idea. For example, if they ask to get an ice cream, say “maybe your dad could take you for an ice cream one day?” or something along those lines and see how they react to the idea in theory without the pressure of thinking they are answering a direct question which will get back to dad/offend him if they respond negatively etc.

If they want to then I would give it a chance but make it very clear that it’s x date at x time and if he doesn’t show up then that’s it. Although it’s always preferable for your kids to see both parents, at some point the balance of their interests tips away from a parent who lets them
down

Greatmate · 12/06/2024 11:31

Id be inclined to start with telephone contact and build up from there. Telephone weekly at X time on X day and talk to the kids for a month. Then twice a week calls for a month. Then a call and a 2 hour visit once a week for a month and build up from there. Assuming the kids are actually interested at all. He needs to build trust with you and them. He is currently basically a stranger to them. I reckon he's probably got a new woman and wants to be seen in a certain way.

Hoardasurass · 12/06/2024 11:41

I'd tell him to take me to court.
This man has behaved appallingly towards his dc, and I very much doubt that he has changed (unless he's trying to impress a new woman). If he really has, he will apply though he'll most likely just disappear again after trying to guilt you.
Your dc deserve much better than a man who flits in and out of there lives with all the emotional harm that goes with it

SnackFish · 12/06/2024 11:43

He doesn't have a new woman, no chance of that he is the type of dad who wouldn't see them if he had a new woman, he has told me he doesn't tell women he has children so I don't think it's that. No they don't really want to see him but I was told they were too young to decide that.

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ItsFuckingBoringFeedingEveryoneUntilYouDie · 12/06/2024 11:47

If he doesn't tell new women he has kids, he will disappear again the moment he gets a whiff of interest from one. Afraid I would agree with telling him to take it to court.

SnackFish · 12/06/2024 11:50

He only ever sees the children down here and doesn't have any family so I fully believe he keeps the children a secret from any women he does date and I seen him on a dating app a couple of years back and he had up he doesn't have children and he confirmed to me previously he doesn't tell women about them because it wouldn't look good on him so don't believe it's anyone prompting him.

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Greatmate · 12/06/2024 12:04

I would talk to the kids again and tell them that their dad has been in touch as has asked to see them. I'd see what they say. If the categorically say no. Then I'd tell him that having discussed it with the kids they don't want contact and if he wants to take you to court he's welcome to. I think pre teens are old enough to decide. The 7 year old not so much.

SnackFish · 12/06/2024 13:20

I will speak to them again after school last time we spoke about it they were very much against it due to the constant let downs they don’t feel like they know him at all and don’t really have any interest in him, the 7 year old I haven’t spoken to about it she only turned 7 last month and will want to do whatever they want, so if they don’t want to see him she won’t want to see him either and certainly wouldn’t want to go on her own with him.

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Starlight1979 · 12/06/2024 13:36

SnackFish · 12/06/2024 11:50

He only ever sees the children down here and doesn't have any family so I fully believe he keeps the children a secret from any women he does date and I seen him on a dating app a couple of years back and he had up he doesn't have children and he confirmed to me previously he doesn't tell women about them because it wouldn't look good on him so don't believe it's anyone prompting him.

Wow he sounds like an absolute delight! So he's basically saying that as soon as he gets a new girlfriend he'll ditch the kids again?

Yeah tell him to get to court. Chances are he won't even bother.

SnackFish · 12/06/2024 13:40

I think the times he has disappeared is the times he's been dating someone so has been flaky and cancelling a lot because he has other things going on. Having a gf definitely would have the opposite effect on him and not help him to step up. He wouldn't go to court.

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PivotPivotmakingmargaritas · 12/06/2024 13:44

If they don’t want to see him - I’d tell him that. He’s made his bed he needs to lie on it.

i think you need legal advice to determine when the kids get a say in if they want to see him. I wouldn’t trust him he’s proved an unreliable sperm donor

Starlight1979 · 12/06/2024 13:47

SnackFish · 12/06/2024 13:40

I think the times he has disappeared is the times he's been dating someone so has been flaky and cancelling a lot because he has other things going on. Having a gf definitely would have the opposite effect on him and not help him to step up. He wouldn't go to court.

He won't go to court because he doesn't care enough. He will ditch them as soon as there is another woman on the scene. The kids (older ones) don't even want to see him. The youngest doesn't even know him.

Why exactly do you want to make any effort with this?

Thatsthebottomline · 12/06/2024 13:50

The older kids will work out this man for what he is soon enough if they haven't already. After a few times of getting let down you learn pretty quick. I know I did.

Yet there still should be an opportunity for him to fail all over again, because you can't help what he is. He should be proud of being a dad.

Look, he's a liability. Take him to court and safeguard your kids from his basket case life.

What a waste of space. Embarrassing

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 12/06/2024 13:56

Id so no. I experienced this as a child and everytime they left again it caused more trauma. We'd just be getting to a better place and then they were back, opening old wounds, causing new ones, full of promises that were never kept. So Id say no. If he's really changed he can go to court and show he's committed for once.

Ofcourseshecan · 12/06/2024 13:58

No they don't really want to see him but I was told they were too young to decide that.

To hell with that. Children aren’t toys, or shared possessions. He’s done nothing but let them down, and will do the same again. Let them contact him if and when they want to.

SnackFish · 12/06/2024 18:47

Thanks for the comments; he does seem to be texting a lot I've had 3 texts today which I've not responded to yet and 2 last night, maybe it's Father's Day coming up making him feel guilty?

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Nchanged89 · 12/06/2024 19:41

Have you spoken to your children yet?

SnackFish · 13/06/2024 21:25

I spoke to them today they don't want to see him

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solice84 · 13/06/2024 21:29

Ignore him
Let him take to you to court
It's upsetting and disrupting for the children
He won't take you to court anyway as he doesn't really care

SnackFish · 13/06/2024 21:49

I'm going to ignore him now, not going to explain anything as he will blame it on me im sure

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Nchanged89 · 13/06/2024 21:54

SnackFish · 13/06/2024 21:25

I spoke to them today they don't want to see him

Ah that's sad they have been made to feel like that by him. I'd relay back to him they don't want to see him, don't get drawn in to any reaction he gives. Respect their wishes and see if he can be bothered with court. He's fucked about because he's been able to.
They don't want to see him, that's his fault.
Sad but support your kids and screw him and his shit.