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Red flags for anger issues/controlling behaviour

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TellMeTheTruthAmigo · 27/05/2024 20:00

Just that..can anyone share any red flags they experienced early on in a relationship with a man that turned out to have anger issues, and possibly controlling issues too.

Thank you.

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beatrix1234 · 27/05/2024 22:22

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  • my job involves interacting with men a lot, he asked he if I would ever consider “changing my job for a man”.
  • Kept breaking up with me every week then calling after Two days like nothing had happened.
  • Avoided serious conversations and only wanted to talk “fun stuff”.
  • very fragile ego, I was always walking on eggshells because anything I said/did or if I had a different opinion he took it as a personal attack.
  • Called me a narcissist when I told him I had professional ambitions and wanted to make the world a better place. Always trying to make me feel smaller.
  • All his plans were always last minute, he never made plans ahead of time so I could organise my schedule properly.
AmusedPearlSeal · 27/05/2024 22:28

I was told I wasn’t allowed to wear leggings for work because there were men there.

the fragile ego thing - when I asked him what day his mums birthday was that week, he didn’t know, I did a little chuckle, he didn’t speak to me for the rest of the day.

everytime we went to eat in a restaurant he would complain about the table we were seated at and would ask to be moved, sometimes making us wait until a better table - usually in the window - became available.

we didn’t live together, if I told him I got up early to take the dog out for an extra long walk he would get annoyed because I would be making myself too tired when I came to see him.

He gave me such a hard time when I took up running again, that I stopped.

beatrix1234 · 27/05/2024 22:39

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  • a penchant for drama, he loved it. I was fully aware this was a toxic relationship and the wisest thing to do was to part ways but he didn’t, apparently drama was the “normal” for him. The drama started just 3 weeks into the relationship.
  • came to pick me after work one day after dating one month and belittle me for using so much make up and asked “why do you need to seduce your clients with all that make up?”, it made him very uncomfortable (my job involves me wearing make up).
category12 · 27/05/2024 22:45

Dadjoke007 · 27/05/2024 21:25

I constantly do little present or acts of love, I thought it was a good thing. Sometimes silly things like turning up with a bag of revels or a can of coke (as she doesn’t often buy it). Flowers at random times, I just thought it was romantic and not something sinister?

Do you treat this as transactional and act as if she owes you or resentfully if she's not somehow grateful enough?

If not, then it's a nice thing to do.

Dadjoke007 · 27/05/2024 23:15

category12 · 27/05/2024 22:45

Do you treat this as transactional and act as if she owes you or resentfully if she's not somehow grateful enough?

If not, then it's a nice thing to do.

Nope. Just one of the ways I like to be. Not looking for anything back, just a way of showing love.

Prefer little and often compared to huge gestures. A lot of them may look silly like a “I love you” post it note hidden in her lunch.

BertieBotts · 27/05/2024 23:19

Dadjoke007 · 27/05/2024 21:25

I constantly do little present or acts of love, I thought it was a good thing. Sometimes silly things like turning up with a bag of revels or a can of coke (as she doesn’t often buy it). Flowers at random times, I just thought it was romantic and not something sinister?

We're talking about red flags which means a potential sign of danger. Not a dangerous behaviour in itself.

Obviously giving a gift because you want to make someone happy is nice 🙄if you are giving it with strings attached, then it's not.

BertieBotts · 27/05/2024 23:37

There is a Taylor Swift song (sorry Grin) which sums this up spectacularly well, "tolerate it". She describes all the nice things she does for her man who she sees as older and wiser and looks up to, but while she adores him and goes out of her way to do nice things for him, he tolerates her.

That's not right - the admiration and wanting to make each other happy should go both ways, especially in the early stages of a relationship.

Then the other one is lack of respect for boundaries. This is hard to spot if you're a people pleaser, but try to notice how he reacts if you ever express any kind of preference or make any request - does he accept it and respect it, or does he turn it around and override it? This can be subtle, some people do it in a jokey/mocking way, some people do it in an emotional blackmail kind of way, some people are adept at somehow turning it around to make you feel like you were being unreasonable to even say anything or have that preference in the first place. Some people won't address it in that interaction but will quietly store it up and throw it at you in an argument later.

You can even sort of test this in a harmless way - see if you can find a small request to make which would inconvenience him slightly, and notice how he reacts to it. For example, say "Could you please open the window?"

But yes, unbalanced admiration towards each other, and a lack of respect for boundaries are the two underlying signs of an unhealthy/controlling relationship IME. Most red flags are noticing little tells of these things. Seeing the relationship as transactional as well. Not just doing things for each other because you want to and it's nice to see your gf/bf happy, but because it is like little deposits into a bank which you intend to withdraw from later - very unhealthy relationship mindset.

pictoosh · 28/05/2024 06:20

TellMeTheTruthAmigo · 27/05/2024 21:27

Yes. Lots of swearing at other drivers on the road. Complaining about bad service in restaurants that really isn't bad. Pointing out repeatedly minor things that I have done because I haven't done them they way he would. Dismissing things that I would like to do for things he would prefer.

Yes indeed.
Get out now.

TellMeTheTruthAmigo · 28/05/2024 06:29

Thank you.

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IsadoraBathrobe · 28/05/2024 06:49

Dadjoke007 · 27/05/2024 23:15

Nope. Just one of the ways I like to be. Not looking for anything back, just a way of showing love.

Prefer little and often compared to huge gestures. A lot of them may look silly like a “I love you” post it note hidden in her lunch.

The answer to whether this is controlling is the motivation behind it. Are you doing it because she genuinely likes and appreciates all these things or are you doing it so she has to think about you/your relationship no matter what else she is doing? Does it come from love or your own insecurity? For example, I know lots of couples who text each other little messages and jokes throughout the day - very mutual and normal part of their relationship. But texts can also be used to put your partner on edge - what are you doing? When are you coming home? Who are you with? Thinking about you. Miss you. Need you. All dressed up as loving and kind and supportive but actually meaning that she can’t ever relax with friends or be professional at work because half her attention is pulled back to her partner all the time. That’s red flag behaviour.

IsadoraBathrobe · 28/05/2024 06:52

I don’t mean that you are controlling Dadjoke007 - it was just using your words as an example.

merrywidow · 28/05/2024 07:20

Saying he'd never hurt me.

Saying he used to be angry until he met me

No one understood him until me

Caused arguments, silent treatment, then acted like he didn't know what he was doing and was sorry but I could have done things differently to avoid said arguement

Always complaining in restaurants

Didn't like any of my friends he felt were a threat to him, realised this with hindsight

I could go on. I was like the boiled frog analogy. It was a nightmare getting away, he tried to ruin me financially and accused me of systematically lying to his family, my family and my friends - he didn't have any friends

Loveriver · 28/05/2024 08:11

I had a baby with one of them. Absolute shitshow

TellMeTheTruthAmigo · 28/05/2024 09:24

Thanks everyone for your replies.

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MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 28/05/2024 09:33

TellMeTheTruthAmigo · 27/05/2024 20:14

Thanks. Interested in hearing more about the driving issue.

Driving too fast to scare you, esp after an argument. A flag I wish I'd known about.

Dadjoke007 · 28/05/2024 09:35

IsadoraBathrobe · 28/05/2024 06:49

The answer to whether this is controlling is the motivation behind it. Are you doing it because she genuinely likes and appreciates all these things or are you doing it so she has to think about you/your relationship no matter what else she is doing? Does it come from love or your own insecurity? For example, I know lots of couples who text each other little messages and jokes throughout the day - very mutual and normal part of their relationship. But texts can also be used to put your partner on edge - what are you doing? When are you coming home? Who are you with? Thinking about you. Miss you. Need you. All dressed up as loving and kind and supportive but actually meaning that she can’t ever relax with friends or be professional at work because half her attention is pulled back to her partner all the time. That’s red flag behaviour.

I had never seen it as 'simister' as that - I mean, when are you coming home/back is a pretty normal thing to ask, same as what are you doing (live in different houses).

But no, she does like and appreciate it and doing nice things makes me feel good - same with the kids, treats don't always need to be expensive for them.

I guess though, unless you get in the head of someone you will not know if they are love bombing for bad reasons or is just some romantic fool (like me)!

Lurkingandlearning · 28/05/2024 09:53

Dadjoke007 · 27/05/2024 21:25

I constantly do little present or acts of love, I thought it was a good thing. Sometimes silly things like turning up with a bag of revels or a can of coke (as she doesn’t often buy it). Flowers at random times, I just thought it was romantic and not something sinister?

Those things are too much at the beginning of a relationship while you are getting to know each other.

She might not buy cans of coke and bags of revels because she is either watching her weight or trying to lose weight. As they are fairly inexpensive she’d be buying them herself if she wanted them. She might even have health reasons for not buying them.

If you don’t know why she avoids unhealthy “treats” you don’t know her well enough to be buying them.

WalkingaroundJardine · 28/05/2024 10:01

Wanted to move the relationship very fast- got engaged and married done and dusted in months. He had tried to do this with his previous girlfriend but when she put the brakes on and tried to slow things down, he ended the relationship.

After me, he very quickly put his dating profile up while we were still living in the same house getting the divorce sorted and he got a woman lined up. Two weeks after our divorce was processed their engagement was announced and they got married a few months later.

Another early sign was not respecting boundaries and being manipulative in the way he did this. He would appear to respectfully take “no” for an answer but would constantly revisit until he had worn me down. He would describe himself as a “bull at the gate”.

Wanted to move around a lot - he got bored every easily.

He love bombed as well and did this systematically and methodically.

He had many disputes with people - often women colleagues who “misunderstood” him or felt uncomfortable with him. Sometimes also men who had no time for him.

Dadjoke007 · 28/05/2024 10:17

Lurkingandlearning · 28/05/2024 09:53

Those things are too much at the beginning of a relationship while you are getting to know each other.

She might not buy cans of coke and bags of revels because she is either watching her weight or trying to lose weight. As they are fairly inexpensive she’d be buying them herself if she wanted them. She might even have health reasons for not buying them.

If you don’t know why she avoids unhealthy “treats” you don’t know her well enough to be buying them.

Well of course, I am not going to leave love notes on date 3!!

She doesn't avoid them - she just doesn't always buy them, mix of reasons, her kids take them, coke not on offer...

BobbyBiscuits · 28/05/2024 11:20

Trying to get you jealous with other women's supposed interest in him
Going through your phone/deleting numbers/harassing people in your contacts
Suddenly stopping work and paying rent so he moves into yours by stealth
Discouraging you from working
Locking you in the house
Throwing away or stealing your handbag, phone , passport.
Breaking your things
Increasing levels of physical intimidation
Then violence.

That actually happened to me once when I was young.

TellMeTheTruthAmigo · 28/05/2024 14:00

Thanks.

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