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Am I being totally naive to consider relationship?

18 replies

theoyster · 27/05/2024 16:38

Will try and summarise here as best as possible to save this being very unwieldy!

Around a year ago I started seeing someone I work with (we no longer work together). It started off fairly casual, I was newly divorced, he is divorced but had been longer. Both have young children so it worked.

I had known about an ex gf of his though he said they were over. (This is relevant!)

Over the next few months up until January this year we were on and off, as soon as we got close to becoming something "serious" I would almost see the fear come over him and he would cool off and and things. Things would end for a couple of months and then he would reach out again. This happened twice.

Then in January this year I sensed he was doing it again so I ended things. He said he was scared about his emotions etc etc...

In between us being "on" I dated other people and I expected he would be doing the same.

A few weeks back, he reaches out again but this time a grand gesture, turning up at my door with flowers and a card asking me to meet him and go for coffee. He says he has had a lot of time to think and does want a healthy, honest relationship with me and is going to be seeking help to work out why he has these issues with relationships.

Since then, in all honesty, he's been great, communicative, making plans, attentive, affectionate...

We spent this weekend together and after some wine on Saturday evening we spoke about his ex. He admitted he slept with her during our "first" break up in the Summer last year. (We were apart for around 3 months). He also admitted to seeing her at the end of last year when we were on another break but said it was just as friends. In the early stages of us seeing each other he lied about how recently their relationship had ended which I confronted him about.

I asked why she's always in the background and if she has some kind of hold over him. He said no, just that they had gotten along but he didn't ever see a proper future with her. I vaguely know of her and she's very quiet and not who I would put him with at all, but I guess that's by the by.

I asked him (with my wine confidence!) if he would be willing to cut off all contact with her if that meant being with me and he said yes.

... but I just don't know?! I don't want to be in a position where I am worrying what someone is doing when we aren't together.

He does have a bit of a reputation as a ladies man and did cheat on his ex wife, though shows remorse for this and does seem genuine in wanting to change and grow up... but even as I type this I can hear alarm bells ringing!

He says I'm the first person he's felt this way about and he wants us to have a life together. FWIW he doesn't stand to gain anything from being with in that we both own our own homes, have good jobs and our own children / coparenting arrangements ... but I don't know, can people ever really change? Am I better to cut my losses before I really develop big feelings for him? My ex-DH cheated on me and it destroyed my confidence and I don't know if I could do it again.

OP posts:
Bettedaviseyes111 · 27/05/2024 16:46

It’s a tough one but in fairness he has been open and honest about his contact with her to you.
In my view provided you can be honest and open then trust can be given and built.
So maybe give it a shot if you really have feelings for him?

MMmomDD · 27/05/2024 16:48

I think your past experiences are making you scared. And you are about to do what he was doing in the early stages of your relationship - run bc it is getting serious….
Of course people can mature and change.
If you like him - give it a chance?…

theoyster · 27/05/2024 16:49

@Bettedaviseyes111 Thankyou for responding, i appreciate my post was a long read!

I guess my issue is that some of the things relating to the ex that he's been honest about have only been when i have presented him with the truth (that I found out elsewhere!). We have never been official though it feels close to that now, and I have too dated when we have been apart... but I worry that the fact he has not always been honest about her is an indication of his trustworthiness or his feelings for her.

Though the side of him I'm seeing now is completely different to how I've seen him before, so I believe he's trying to change and commit, but I don't know if it will last.

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category12 · 27/05/2024 16:53

I wonder what she'd say about it all. It seems like he bounces between the two of you.

I think in your shoes I'd have been more comfortable if he'd been with a couple of other people on your "breaks" than keep going back to the same one.

I don't know, I'm not a big believer in things that start out messy and on & off turning into something good.

theoyster · 27/05/2024 16:54

@category12 I think that's my issue too, had he dated about with other people, I wouldn't have felt so uncomfortable

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Steakandwine · 27/05/2024 16:55

I understand why you would feel uneasy that he seems to go back to his ex. But on the other hand he seems to be quite open about it. You both had a break and dated other people.
The only way you'll know is to give it a chance. Or you just go with your gut and call it a day.

Loubelle70 · 27/05/2024 16:55

Honesty is ok as long as mistakes arent repeated. Before you suggested for him to stop seeing her he should have suggested that himself. Hes a commitment phobe whose bouncing between women. I wouldnt date him..too complicated. I had date with a guy similar, stayed at ex every weekend, all weekends... too much drama tbh. I want a guy fully into me. If he has exes hanging around, hes not invested

Opentooffers · 27/05/2024 17:02

Probably best to be wary, he might seem to be behaving like the man you'd want for the moment, but how long he will keep that up for, remains to be seen?
That you kneep accepting him back when he freezes you out, does show that you have poor self esteem. You've shown him that he can come and go and shag his ex in between, and you'll accept that.
An on/off thing for coming up to a year and you're still not yet official, so he's keeping one foot out the door still. Can't say I'd be impressed tbh, but then I don't go back. Things usually end for good reason, and in his case it was about going back to his ex. He hasn't really changed his tactics has he? He's on/off, with her and on/off with you, maybe he still likes variety rather than loyalty.

theoyster · 27/05/2024 17:09

@Opentooffers your comment about "variety" has really struck a chord with me... Mainly because me and his ex could not be more opposite if we tried; physical appearances, personalities, ages, social life, family etc... although he is the common denominator so we have the same taste in men it would seem!

I feel like such a fool for allowing him back in, he's not likely to change is he?

And yes, my self esteem isn't great. Without sounded conceited, I do get male attention and asked on dates but I struggle to connect with people who I am interested in and struggle to believe anyone could truly want me...

OP posts:
category12 · 27/05/2024 17:14

And yes, my self esteem isn't great. Without sounded conceited, I do get male attention and asked on dates but I struggle to connect with people who I am interested in and struggle to believe anyone could truly want me...

I don't think this guy is the right one for you, then. We are kind of attracted to what feels familiar and what backs up our view of ourselves, sometimes, and I think maybe this guy speaks to that part of you that doesn't think she deserves love/could be enough for someone.

theoyster · 27/05/2024 19:49

category12 · 27/05/2024 16:53

I wonder what she'd say about it all. It seems like he bounces between the two of you.

I think in your shoes I'd have been more comfortable if he'd been with a couple of other people on your "breaks" than keep going back to the same one.

I don't know, I'm not a big believer in things that start out messy and on & off turning into something good.

Sorry I missed your response.

After doing a bit of FB stalking today, she herself in a very long term relationship which my "DP" says has been "over" for some time...but I don't believe it is from looking on her "DPs" FB so I'd say her morals aren't all that great either.

So clearly neither of them have issues with being deceitful when needed.

OP posts:
Bunnyhair · 27/05/2024 19:54

I’m amazed so many think this is Ok. Frankly anyone who keeps dumping me doesn’t get to just keep doing it over and over again. Secondly, anyone who makes ‘grand gestures’ - at all, never mind after repeatedly dumping me - is a giant walking red flag.

Don’t waste any more of your time.

jsku · 27/05/2024 21:37

@theoyster - why are you so obsessed with the Ex he has ‘bounced’ to when you were off?

Why immediate assumption that she is some sort of competition??? And comparison to yourself?

It all could be so much simpler. Men are lazy. Dating and meeting new women is hard work. So if they have a sort of FWB sort of arrangement - it makes so much sense to resurrect it when he is unattached.

Why are you so down on yourself?????
If he wanted to be in a relationship with her - he’d not be making this effort to build something with you.
And it is only your low self esteem and fears that are standing between you and this relationship.
ANY relationship has risk. There are never guarantees. Don’r throw away a chance because it’s less scary to do it.

You like him. Just give it a chance

Missamyp · 28/05/2024 08:10

There are two priorities.
He needs to commit.
Then the two of you need to make firm plans.
However, if he commits, you need to work on your self-esteem and accept that he has a past. I know DP has a past, but it doesn't bother me. I certainly feel that being 'friends' with exes divides opinion, especially on Mumsnet. Defining the terms and conditions of 'friends' is difficult; everyone has different levels of emotion. I have friends who feel no contact is a minimum. I have others who stay in regular contact with exes. Nevertheless, constantly monitoring your partner must be tiring.

In relationships, individuals come with a history. It's something that cannot be changed.

Lifelong · 28/05/2024 08:57

OP, he has shown you who he is, repeatedly.
You are putting yourself in harms way emotionally and wasting YOUR time..
He may like you but he knows well that your boundaries are poor and he can suit himself.
He's a liar and a cheat.
Why would you want so little for yourself?
You deserve better than him.
His is a pattern of behaviour that suits HIM, he isn't changing for you.
Get rid of him and work on believing that you deserve more than a lying cheat.

GreyCarpet · 28/05/2024 12:44

And yes, my self esteem isn't great. Without sounded conceited, I do get male attention and asked on dates but I struggle to connect with people who I am interested in and struggle to believe anyone could truly want me...

OP, I understand this. My self esteem was so low in my late teens/early 20s, that I 'dated' homeless men and drug addicts because I didn't really think anyone who had their life sorted in any way would want me. I was an A grade student who'd been to university so, yeah...

So, I really do get this feeling of struggling to connect with decent people.

However, you self esteem is not going to be improved by being in a relationship with this man. I can say that with not just confidence but certainty. What will give your self esteem a boost is removing yourself from this situation. Taking control and dumping him once and for all. Even just that small act might feel quite exhilarating!

Then work on yourself. Learn who you are, what makes you tick and what sort of relationship you want. Have therapy if you can. Realise how much more you are worth.

You can do it and I promise you that it will be worth it.

YerArseInParsley · 22/08/2024 19:53

@theoyster
Can I ask, did u get back with him?

Grendel7 · 27/05/2025 10:50

theoyster · 27/05/2024 16:38

Will try and summarise here as best as possible to save this being very unwieldy!

Around a year ago I started seeing someone I work with (we no longer work together). It started off fairly casual, I was newly divorced, he is divorced but had been longer. Both have young children so it worked.

I had known about an ex gf of his though he said they were over. (This is relevant!)

Over the next few months up until January this year we were on and off, as soon as we got close to becoming something "serious" I would almost see the fear come over him and he would cool off and and things. Things would end for a couple of months and then he would reach out again. This happened twice.

Then in January this year I sensed he was doing it again so I ended things. He said he was scared about his emotions etc etc...

In between us being "on" I dated other people and I expected he would be doing the same.

A few weeks back, he reaches out again but this time a grand gesture, turning up at my door with flowers and a card asking me to meet him and go for coffee. He says he has had a lot of time to think and does want a healthy, honest relationship with me and is going to be seeking help to work out why he has these issues with relationships.

Since then, in all honesty, he's been great, communicative, making plans, attentive, affectionate...

We spent this weekend together and after some wine on Saturday evening we spoke about his ex. He admitted he slept with her during our "first" break up in the Summer last year. (We were apart for around 3 months). He also admitted to seeing her at the end of last year when we were on another break but said it was just as friends. In the early stages of us seeing each other he lied about how recently their relationship had ended which I confronted him about.

I asked why she's always in the background and if she has some kind of hold over him. He said no, just that they had gotten along but he didn't ever see a proper future with her. I vaguely know of her and she's very quiet and not who I would put him with at all, but I guess that's by the by.

I asked him (with my wine confidence!) if he would be willing to cut off all contact with her if that meant being with me and he said yes.

... but I just don't know?! I don't want to be in a position where I am worrying what someone is doing when we aren't together.

He does have a bit of a reputation as a ladies man and did cheat on his ex wife, though shows remorse for this and does seem genuine in wanting to change and grow up... but even as I type this I can hear alarm bells ringing!

He says I'm the first person he's felt this way about and he wants us to have a life together. FWIW he doesn't stand to gain anything from being with in that we both own our own homes, have good jobs and our own children / coparenting arrangements ... but I don't know, can people ever really change? Am I better to cut my losses before I really develop big feelings for him? My ex-DH cheated on me and it destroyed my confidence and I don't know if I could do it again.

Once a cheat,always a cheat. He is one of those " afraid of commitment" types, not quite daring to stay with one person. Don't waste your valuable time and energy on this one,there are much nicer people out there,if you stay with this one you will always be wondering what he's doing.

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