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Where is my courage to leave?

24 replies

ComeAndHoldMyHand · 26/05/2024 19:15

Hello everyone. First time poster here.

My husband and I have been together for almost 20 years, and married for 12 years. We have two children aged 10 and 7. I’m not happily married, I haven’t been happy in a long time. I told him at the start of the month that I think we should get divorced. He says he doesn’t want to get divorced and has asked me what to do to fix it. I just don’t know what to tell him. I don’t like seeing him sad but he hasn’t give a damn about my feelings in the last few years.

Here’s the background (and where this could become a lengthy post). He has (repeatedly) used adult chat/dating sites throughout our relationship. I’ve caught him on multiple occasions. I don’t think he has actually done anything with anyone physically, but I’ve always made it clear that I find his use of these sites disrespectful and hurtful. On the last occasion, not long after the birth of our first child, I made it clear that I would not tolerate this and that if he ever dared to do it again, we would be over. I didn’t have the strength in my postpartum state to leave him then. Fast forward to 2021 and something told me to look at the computer again. Sure enough he was up to his old tricks, combined with a bit of gambling too. Anyway, I voiced my hurt to him by writing a letter. He basically ignored said letter and carried on gambling etc. In July 2022 I had a breakdown and told my parents about it. My Dad spoke to him. My husband in turn had a chat with me. Gave a half arsed apology. I voiced a few other concerns I had around our marriage. Nothing changed. In January 2023, I ended up having nightly panic attacks which the doctor said were anxiety related. I went off sick from work. I directly attribute this to my husband’s lack of action. Whilst off sick, I arranged for marriage counselling. On the morning of the first session, I didn’t know if he was coming. He said “I’ll go if you want me to!” Not the words of someone who recognises the situation we’re in and wants to sort it. We had half a dozen sessions. I felt better in the sense that I got a lot off my chest. Have they made any real difference? No. He is the most passive person known to mankind. There is no drive or fire in his belly to fix this situation. He will not talk about any of this unless I force the conversation. He is an ostrich who has stuck his head in the sand and is biding his time waiting for me to make a decision about whether I stay or go.

To add to my tale of woe, the marriage has been sexless for more years than I care to remember. I was his first sexual partner. I think I could count on one hand how many times he has initiated sexual intimacy, and still have fingers to spare. I stopped initiating and now there is no physical contact between us whatsoever.

I know I deserve better than this. I know my kids deserve to have a mum who is happy. I know they deserve to see what a proper loving marriage looks like. I came from a broken home growing up. I know the pain that causes. I feel sick at the thought of putting my kids through the same.

So to summarise, he repeatedly disrespects me by using adult chat/dating sites, he doesn’t communicate whatsoever, he has initiated any sort of physical/sexual intimacy in so long that we now have a dead bedroom, I have had to take time off work sick because of him, and I have so much insurmountable(?) resentment towards him. Why the hell am I finding it so hard to find my backbone and to leave my marriage? I’m quite a headstrong woman in so many aspects of my life but not when it comes to my marriage.

Sorry for the mammoth read!

OP posts:
Mary2024 · 26/05/2024 19:30

Hey lovely. I’m so sorry you’re going through this. You absolutely 100% deserve better, and it doesn’t seem like that’s going to be possible in this relationship.

I was with someone who took me for granted for ten years. I’m now married to someone who makes me feel lucky every day, and I cannot believe I wasted so much time being so unhappy. I could have left at any point, but I didn’t, and I’ll never get that time back. Ten years of crying myself to sleep. Life is so desperately short, don’t waste it in a sad situation that you have the power to change.

Redrobbbin · 26/05/2024 19:52

I’m so sorry you’re going through this.
I have kids the exact same age and am also in an unhappy marriage and I am also struggling to end things.
my closest friend gets frustrated that I don’t tell DH how I feel because I would anyone else.
I don’t have any answers for you, I just wanted you to know you’re not alone.
I think I am worried about other peoples opinions, making the wrong decision and fucking my kids up.
xx

TheSilentSister · 26/05/2024 20:51

You've tried talking, you've tried counselling and your health is suffering. Honestly, what else is left but to leave, or better still, he leaves.
It's a sham of a marriage.

category12 · 26/05/2024 20:56

Are you afraid of being the "bad guy" by being the one to call it?

BMW6 · 26/05/2024 21:03

Enough now OP.

Time to call it a day. You're afraid of the future, but the present is terrible too.

If you were given a choice - with him till one of you dies or break up now and see what happens next, which would you choose as the lesser evil?

ComeAndHoldMyHand · 26/05/2024 21:42

Redrobbbin · 26/05/2024 19:52

I’m so sorry you’re going through this.
I have kids the exact same age and am also in an unhappy marriage and I am also struggling to end things.
my closest friend gets frustrated that I don’t tell DH how I feel because I would anyone else.
I don’t have any answers for you, I just wanted you to know you’re not alone.
I think I am worried about other peoples opinions, making the wrong decision and fucking my kids up.
xx

I’m sorry to hear you’re in a similar situation. I share a lot of the same worries.

OP posts:
ComeAndHoldMyHand · 26/05/2024 21:43

category12 · 26/05/2024 20:56

Are you afraid of being the "bad guy" by being the one to call it?

That’s definitely a concern. I don’t want my kids to hate me for breaking up the family 😥

OP posts:
ComeAndHoldMyHand · 26/05/2024 21:45

BMW6 · 26/05/2024 21:03

Enough now OP.

Time to call it a day. You're afraid of the future, but the present is terrible too.

If you were given a choice - with him till one of you dies or break up now and see what happens next, which would you choose as the lesser evil?

I know enough is enough. I keep thinking to myself that if this was 30 years time and one of my kids was in this situation that I would tell them to leave and not look back. I just feel paralysed for some reason. It took forever to come to the decision that I should end this but the paralysis still continues.

OP posts:
Pixiedust1234 · 26/05/2024 22:22

What are you afraid of? Or are you confused about what the next steps would look like?

I've been with H for forty years, grown up children. I was paralysed too as everything seemed "huge". Once I had broken it all down into easy steps (like a cake recipe) I stopped being frozen. Even now if I think about how much there is to do I panic and freeze, so I take a deep breath and focus only on the next step.

The things that froze me into place? I was either bed or housebound due to medical conditions (still am at times tbh). Unable to work so no money. Abusive spouse so frightened of asking for divorce. Having brain fog so paperwork involved with divorce, buying and selling a house, seeking a solicitor, thoughts of getting benefits (or not) was frightening and almost impossible.

My path started with getting physically stronger. Trying to sort out better pain meds. Then finding ways to be independent such as looking into online shopping, pharmacy delivering medications, kitchen and bath aids etc etc. Start small OP. Make a list and start walking your own path, one step at a time Flowers

Blitherandbother · 26/05/2024 22:52

Hi op
Another one here. Similar age children. Slightly different issues (but not too disimilar). And yes, frozen by indecision.

Troubled childhood. Suffered a lot of trauma. Witnessed disasterous relationships. I've also experienced a huge amount of rejection. I think all I wanted for me and my children was/is stability and now it is being challenged to the core.

I'm really not happy. If it were one of my dc, I would be advising them to leave if they felt this miserable. I guess the difference would be, I would be supportive whereas I have very little support in real life.

Going through the perimenopause. I thought this was to blame but I really don't think so. It is perpetuating everything - brain fog, tiredness and so on making me feel more disempowered than I already feel. When keeps rattling through my mind - when the dc reach this stage, when xyz. In reality I know there is no good time but there is a time when things will get easier I think.

I don't want to be the one pressing the detonation button. I don't want to be the one to blame. Husband knows the situation but doesn't seem prepared to walk away either. It is a horrid situation. It can't go on like this but it is going to take courage to make a change. I have seen women do this. I'm trying to work out how they've done it whilst I'm left feeling stuck.

No answers I'm afraid. I'm watching this thread with interest. Sorry op. I know how difficult all of this is.

Hoolagan · 26/05/2024 23:17

I have a 3 and 1 yo and unhappy often in my marriage. It feels like such a big leap to jump doesnt it? I also struggle to understand where I would get the courage from

Redrobbbin · 26/05/2024 23:53

As much as it’s awful we’re all in the same situation, it’s nice to see I’m not the only one who feels like this and it seems a common struggle. I did start to wonder what the hell was wrong with me.
I know DH is just as unhappy as I am, yet it’s on me to tell him to go and I think that’s what’s bothering me. Because like everyone else here, the blame would be on me!

ComeAndHoldMyHand · 27/05/2024 15:43

Blitherandbother · 26/05/2024 22:52

Hi op
Another one here. Similar age children. Slightly different issues (but not too disimilar). And yes, frozen by indecision.

Troubled childhood. Suffered a lot of trauma. Witnessed disasterous relationships. I've also experienced a huge amount of rejection. I think all I wanted for me and my children was/is stability and now it is being challenged to the core.

I'm really not happy. If it were one of my dc, I would be advising them to leave if they felt this miserable. I guess the difference would be, I would be supportive whereas I have very little support in real life.

Going through the perimenopause. I thought this was to blame but I really don't think so. It is perpetuating everything - brain fog, tiredness and so on making me feel more disempowered than I already feel. When keeps rattling through my mind - when the dc reach this stage, when xyz. In reality I know there is no good time but there is a time when things will get easier I think.

I don't want to be the one pressing the detonation button. I don't want to be the one to blame. Husband knows the situation but doesn't seem prepared to walk away either. It is a horrid situation. It can't go on like this but it is going to take courage to make a change. I have seen women do this. I'm trying to work out how they've done it whilst I'm left feeling stuck.

No answers I'm afraid. I'm watching this thread with interest. Sorry op. I know how difficult all of this is.

It’s a horrible situation to be in. I know I’ve tried everything I can to make this work and walking away is not a decision I take lightly. I hope you can find the courage to take the next step. We both deserve better x

OP posts:
ComeAndHoldMyHand · 27/05/2024 15:50

Redrobbbin · 26/05/2024 23:53

As much as it’s awful we’re all in the same situation, it’s nice to see I’m not the only one who feels like this and it seems a common struggle. I did start to wonder what the hell was wrong with me.
I know DH is just as unhappy as I am, yet it’s on me to tell him to go and I think that’s what’s bothering me. Because like everyone else here, the blame would be on me!

I try to keep asking myself, how many times have I looked at someone I know and blamed them for ending their marriage, or even so much as given a second thought about why a relationship has ended. In all honesty, I’ve never blamed anyone or given two hoots about why someone has blown up a marriage. Surely just being unhappy is a good enough reason to drag myself out of a situation. Am I making my own barriers here? The only judgement I fear is the judgement that could happen years from now when my kids are old enough to understand things but I hope I’m doing a good enough job of raising them that they will understand why I decided to end it. I know I can look them in the eye and say that I gave it my all.

OP posts:
Tel12 · 27/05/2024 15:50

Because it's hard. There's a lot of people who are just doing their time because they don't have the courage to go through the trauma. Only you can decide whether it's worth it or not. He's not going to change. The question is can you settle for what you have?

category12 · 27/05/2024 16:09

Am I making my own barriers here? The only judgement I fear is the judgement that could happen years from now when my kids are old enough to understand things

And if you stay, they may turn round in later years and question why you stayed. This is the model of relationships you're giving them - you know you wouldn't want them to repeat it themselves.

There are no perfect decisions and change is scary. But I think your kids would benefit more from a happier mother than you staying in a marriage that harms your mental health.

tothelefttotheleft · 27/05/2024 16:56

@ComeAndHoldMyHand

Why did you have to take time off sick?

ComeAndHoldMyHand · 27/05/2024 19:01

tothelefttotheleft · 27/05/2024 16:56

@ComeAndHoldMyHand

Why did you have to take time off sick?

I took time off due to anxiety and stress. I was waking every night with night sweats which my GP attributed to high levels of anxiety. My concentration at work was non existent.

OP posts:
Blitherandbother · 28/05/2024 14:09

Another issue is...how bad is bad enough to leave I guess. Husband contributes financially and practically and some childcare. But not emotionally, I take all the emotional/mental load. I am disconnected. This has been rumbling for years. I am not happy. There has been some element of control on his part but nothing you can categorise as outright abuse (or maybe a few instances of). Different values/parenting/interests. Very different. I blame my self a lot.

I took time off due to anxiety and stress. I was waking every night with night sweats which my GP attributed to high levels of anxiety. My concentration at work was non existent.

This sounds a lot like the perimenopause.

ComeAndHoldMyHand · 28/05/2024 19:19

Blitherandbother · 28/05/2024 14:09

Another issue is...how bad is bad enough to leave I guess. Husband contributes financially and practically and some childcare. But not emotionally, I take all the emotional/mental load. I am disconnected. This has been rumbling for years. I am not happy. There has been some element of control on his part but nothing you can categorise as outright abuse (or maybe a few instances of). Different values/parenting/interests. Very different. I blame my self a lot.

I took time off due to anxiety and stress. I was waking every night with night sweats which my GP attributed to high levels of anxiety. My concentration at work was non existent.

This sounds a lot like the perimenopause.

My hormones were all checked. Everything normal. It wasn’t just night sweats, it was night terrors too.

OP posts:
netflixandnochill · 10/03/2025 07:37

Came across this thread and wondered if there was an update from OP and any of the posters? I’m in this situation with young kids and have zero courage 💐

ComeAndHoldMyHand · 12/03/2025 14:23

netflixandnochill · 10/03/2025 07:37

Came across this thread and wondered if there was an update from OP and any of the posters? I’m in this situation with young kids and have zero courage 💐

Hi, thanks for the message looking for an update. After my posts last May, I started to take some small steps towards a separation. I looked at my finances and was ultimately able to get a mortgage offer in place to allow me to buy my husband out of the family home. Once I had this in place I went back to him to say I had my offer and that I could give him £X to move out and buy somewhere else. He did get an agreement in principle himself but then sat on it and didn’t do anything. I lost it with him over Christmas one day and reminded him that my offer was going to expire and he was sat doing nothing. I think he believed I wasn’t serious about divorce. My offer expired at the end of January and I’m currently reapplying for a mortgage. Other steps I’ve taken include removing my wedding ring. Just in the last week he has also removed his so it looks like he is finally starting to accept where we are at.

No big changes here but some small steps to give me hope and confidence!

OP posts:
netflixandnochill · 12/03/2025 14:48

That sounds really positive. Wishing you happier times ahead!

Fergalsharktale · 12/03/2025 14:57

I think you need to drive it forward now OP. Almost a year has gone by since your original post. He sounds like someone who isn’t arsed either way and won’t rush to do anything. I think you need to be the driver.

You are wasting your life and only you can change that.

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