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Gave me the ick but I still quite like him.

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Summerof2024 · 10/05/2024 12:44

Bit of a backstory with this guy.

TLDR: don't know if guy from past just wants to hook up or trying to start a new thing- also thought he might be my dd's dad at one point. He's not, how to navigate.

As I've done TLDR, please don't moan at me for the story length. The story is there for those who would like to know more and help me figure this out :)

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I was living abroad and we hooked up on the first date. We used a condom. I was young and fancy free and was getting over a huge heartbreak which involved a miscarriage, so going through a more carefree time, in my quest to get past the heartache. A few days later I had to leave the area I met him in, and ended up being pursued by someone else who I regrettably, let pressure me into sex and ended up assaulting me without a condom and I ended up pregnant. Me and guy 1 kept chatting a bit, but I knew I wasn't right for him, as I was still heartbroken and easily pressured by other men at the time, and possibly easily manipulated, and then I was pregnant. I'm not that person any more. I did like him more than a casual thing, but I wasn't wanting it at the time. I felt bad when I told him I was pregnant by someone else, as we had shared a bit of an emotional connected.

Fast forward to today, I'm a single mum back here and haven't had a hook up since. I've been in two short term relationships since which didn't work out. (A few months each). I'm not interested in casual sex any more and more focused on building a better life for myself and open to being in a steady relationship one day.

Haven't spoken to guy 1 for years and suddenly he messages me saying he's coming to the UK in the next year or so and wants to come and visit me. I had forgotten he existed until yesterday and it was very overwhelming and also confusing. We had joked a couple of times when I was pregnant about him being my dd's dad but both agreed it couldn't be possible as we used a condom. I did ask him to do a DNA test to put my mind at ease, as these things arent 100 percent fool proof and he refused saying he had too much going on in his life to be a dad. Anyway I ended up doing a my heritage test six months later and she had the second guys ethnicities mixed with mine. But I didn't tell guy 1 as I had deleted his number by then and he'd upset me by his attitude towards it all. I said to myself if he messaged me to check, I'd put his mind at ease. I concluded if he was that worried he would have done the dna test and he was pretty certain he wasn't the dad, so its not like he was going out of his way to put his own mind at ease.

So he messages me yesterday, four years later saying he's thinking to visit europe, and that he'd come to see me when he does, then suddenly starts asking for pics of my DD and if I did the DNA test with the other guy. I tell him about her ethnicity and he drops it. Then he starts getting all sentimental asking me if the dad is in her life and how sorry he is that she doesn't have her dad in her life and how strong I am. He said goodnight and that he'd try to visit if he travelled nearby, and I could message him whenever I wanted to chat.

Part of me kinda wanted him to just leave me alone, but then the other part remembered him as a nice guy who I just met during awkward circumstances in my life. I was just quite stoic during the whole exchange as it had been an upsetting conversation, when we last spoke four years ago.

But then suddenly after we said goodnight (was night time where he is and morning here), he started saying about maybe making babies but not make any actual babies. I said I thought he was in a relationship and he said no. Then he started saying about remembering how nice my body was and how he'd take care of it (he trained in massage therapy since I last saw him). I just replied 'i don't really do hook ups any more' and he said 'ok I understand'. We haven't spoken since. The whole thing feels so awkward and I don't know if I should just be open to a friendship with a potentially nice person or leave it alone. I've turned him down now with my reply so I don't know if the ball is in his or my court. Thing is he was never sleazy before. He was even extra respectable as one night after we hooked up I ended up getting thrown out of the couch surfing place I was in, as the guy was a bit unstable and wanted me to sleep with him and guy 1 coincidentally found me in the park and tried to help me find somewhere. When he couldn't help he let me stay over (i had somewhere new lined up for the next day, hence leaving the area), and didnt try anything with me. I thanked him for being respectful the next day and he said he didn't think it would be right to try anything that night. So I don't know him as a sleaze and suddenly he comes across sleazy? Or is he just trying to instigate some flirting all of a sudden?

So many questions in my head..why did he suddenly get in touch? Is he planning on travelling and just wanting to line up some sure things (surely he must know how easy it is to hook up in hostels when backpacking), or is he just trying to start a new chapter and thought I'd be a good place to look for it? Are there any red flags I'm not seeing.

I can't believe he's taking up so much headspace whe I hadn't even remembered about him for four years.

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category12 · 10/05/2024 13:18

I just replied 'i don't really do hook ups any more' and he said 'ok I understand'. We haven't spoken since.
So that's the answer really, isn't it? He was hoping for an easy shag. You said nope. You haven't heard from him since. Not sure what the dilemma is?

You didn't know him very well back then - hook up, a bit of chatting. Just because he didn't take advantage of you when you didn't have anywhere to go one night, doesn't make him anything more than not a gross predator.

Summerof2024 · 10/05/2024 13:31

category12 · 10/05/2024 13:18

I just replied 'i don't really do hook ups any more' and he said 'ok I understand'. We haven't spoken since.
So that's the answer really, isn't it? He was hoping for an easy shag. You said nope. You haven't heard from him since. Not sure what the dilemma is?

You didn't know him very well back then - hook up, a bit of chatting. Just because he didn't take advantage of you when you didn't have anywhere to go one night, doesn't make him anything more than not a gross predator.

It's just a long time in advance to plan an easy shag, if you know what I mean. That's why I found it weird- possibly in the next year or so he travels he said. He's a very good looking,tall, fit, dark haired and steady guy with a decent job he can do from anywhere in the world with internet, and could probably get an easy shag on tinder where he is right now in California with lots of beautiful women.

I mean yes, I believe you're right, but I'm just wondering what's with the planning a shag a year in advance from someone he hasn't spoken to for four years and would have to spend a lot of money to get to. 🤣

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category12 · 10/05/2024 13:37

I mean yes, I believe you're right, but I'm just wondering what's with the planning a shag a year in advance from someone he hasn't spoken to for four years and would have to spend a lot of money to get to. 🤣

But you said he was coming to the UK and would like to visit you, not he was coming to the UK specifically to visit you. It would be weird if it was the latter, but if he's coming to the UK anyway, then setting you up as a shag while he's here is just planning his itinerary - Big Ben, Buckingham Palace, Stonehenge, shag with Summer, Glastonbury Abbey. 😂

Summerof2024 · 10/05/2024 13:45

category12 · 10/05/2024 13:37

I mean yes, I believe you're right, but I'm just wondering what's with the planning a shag a year in advance from someone he hasn't spoken to for four years and would have to spend a lot of money to get to. 🤣

But you said he was coming to the UK and would like to visit you, not he was coming to the UK specifically to visit you. It would be weird if it was the latter, but if he's coming to the UK anyway, then setting you up as a shag while he's here is just planning his itinerary - Big Ben, Buckingham Palace, Stonehenge, shag with Summer, Glastonbury Abbey. 😂

Hahahaha I just find it soooooo weird.

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Idontjetwashthefucker · 10/05/2024 13:54

Summerof2024 · 10/05/2024 13:45

Hahahaha I just find it soooooo weird.

It's not that weird, he was after a guaranteed shag when he comes to the UK, you said you don't do that anymore so he's decided not to bother coming to see you.

Summerof2024 · 10/05/2024 14:13

Idontjetwashthefucker · 10/05/2024 13:54

It's not that weird, he was after a guaranteed shag when he comes to the UK, you said you don't do that anymore so he's decided not to bother coming to see you.

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He hasn't said he wouldn't bother. We chatted for about half an hour, said suggested we would meet up and to text him whenever I wanted, then said goodnight. I said goodnight back. Then as a side note about ten minutes later he added about making babies without the babies and I said no and he said okay. That was yesterday.

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Summerof2024 · 10/05/2024 14:14

*he said

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category12 · 10/05/2024 14:22

I don't think it's that weird or significant for him to contact you - he's planning a trip in a year's time, he thinks "who do I know in the UK?" and does the equivalent of flipping through his little black book.

SleepingStandingUp · 10/05/2024 14:27

Summerof2024 · 10/05/2024 14:13

He hasn't said he wouldn't bother. We chatted for about half an hour, said suggested we would meet up and to text him whenever I wanted, then said goodnight. I said goodnight back. Then as a side note about ten minutes later he added about making babies without the babies and I said no and he said okay. That was yesterday.

You clearly weren't up for a sexying chat. Sounds like he was after an easy wank
He tells you how good your body was, how he'd look after it, you tell him how mighty his penis was back then, he asks what you'd do with it.... Easy wank.

Honestly I think you've seemingly done loads to work on yourself and prioritise your child, but you've still got work to do if he's taking up this much mental space.

It isn't being a good guy per se to not trap you into sex by offering you a roof for the night, it's the very lowest level of not being a sexual predator. He might be a nice guy, but don't use your poor experiences in men to give this one a crown.

yousexybugger · 10/05/2024 14:44

He sounds sleazy to me- refusing to do a DNA test because he CBA to be a father isn't the act of a good guy.

He either thought there was a possibility or not of your child being his, but a good man wouldn't opt out of testing on that basis.

Now he's being sentimental about your mothering skills before turning the conversation to sex.

You were going through a time when you were open to casual sex. I expect he still is at that stage.

He associates you with that and hopes to fit a bit in on his trip. If it was anything else he would not have mentioned your body or massage.

If you are not up for casual sex with this man I wouldn't continue contact (I think sleeping with him will not make you feel good, it reminds me of a similar time in my own life and I have no desire to revisit. I still get occasional messages). If you meet him for a drink or coffee, he will have sex in mind.

Bumblebeeinatree · 10/05/2024 14:51

Looking for somewhere to stay in the UK with fringe benefits? If you like him meet up for a chat, but make sure he knows he's not staying at yours and you don't do casual sex.

Summerof2024 · 10/05/2024 16:19

SleepingStandingUp · 10/05/2024 14:27

You clearly weren't up for a sexying chat. Sounds like he was after an easy wank
He tells you how good your body was, how he'd look after it, you tell him how mighty his penis was back then, he asks what you'd do with it.... Easy wank.

Honestly I think you've seemingly done loads to work on yourself and prioritise your child, but you've still got work to do if he's taking up this much mental space.

It isn't being a good guy per se to not trap you into sex by offering you a roof for the night, it's the very lowest level of not being a sexual predator. He might be a nice guy, but don't use your poor experiences in men to give this one a crown.

Or maybe it was just a really significant time in my life and that's why it's shook me up a bit, coming so out of the blue.

I don't even remember his penis, deffo no crown 🤣

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Xenoi24 · 10/05/2024 16:46

But then suddenly after we said goodnight (was night time where he is and morning here), he started saying about maybe making babies but not make any actual babies. I said I thought he was in a relationship and he said no. Then he started saying about remembering how nice my body was and how he'd take care of it (he trained in massage therapy since I last saw him). I just replied 'i don't really do hook ups any more' and he said 'ok I understand'. We haven't spoken since.

Men talking about sex and a woman's body are saying exactly what's on their mind.

That they're thinking about sex/looking for sex.

As a poster above said , he's not coming to the UK to meet you, he's coming to the UK anyway.

To me, he's just trying to set up a hook up while he's here.

And as for - "can get anyone off tinder". That takes time and effort, and people on old are flaky, and people put - ahem - "flattering" photos on.

He knows what you look like in real life, he knows you have a body he likes, he's already shagged you. If you agreed, that's far more of a cert than trying to set up tinder dates while he's here.

Oh and the two are not mutually exclusive either. He could be seeing if you're up for a hook up and equally trying to set up other hookups on old too.

Xenoi24 · 10/05/2024 16:49

I said I thought he was in a relationship and he said no

I'd take that with a pinch of salt too.

Xenoi24 · 10/05/2024 16:52

So he messages me yesterday, four years later saying he's thinking to visit europe, and that he'd come to see me when he does, then suddenly starts asking for pics of my DD and if I did the DNA test with the other guy. I tell him about her ethnicity and he drops it

Gosh he was very concerned and responsible; to be asking if you did the DNA test .....four years later ... While he's trying to arrange a hook up with you while he's in the area.

He's might not be a rapist but he's not a good guy either.

Xenoi24 · 10/05/2024 16:57

It's just a long time in advance to plan an easy shag

If you're very sex/hookup oriented....when you plan and book a trip; you start thinking about that at the same time, and start looking into it.

Also there's a possibility he's not actually single, being the attractive, eligible guy you've described, and he's looking forward to playing away while he's away .... So he's trying to plan that and lock it down asap.

Summerof2024 · 10/05/2024 19:11

Xenoi24 · 10/05/2024 16:52

So he messages me yesterday, four years later saying he's thinking to visit europe, and that he'd come to see me when he does, then suddenly starts asking for pics of my DD and if I did the DNA test with the other guy. I tell him about her ethnicity and he drops it

Gosh he was very concerned and responsible; to be asking if you did the DNA test .....four years later ... While he's trying to arrange a hook up with you while he's in the area.

He's might not be a rapist but he's not a good guy either.

He wouldn't be in the area though. He only knows that I live in The UK and could be absolutely anywhere. But I guess people think differently, I just can't get my head around someone being that forward planning over sex for a trip that's going to last months and months 🤣

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yousexybugger · 10/05/2024 19:18

Summerof2024 · 10/05/2024 19:11

He wouldn't be in the area though. He only knows that I live in The UK and could be absolutely anywhere. But I guess people think differently, I just can't get my head around someone being that forward planning over sex for a trip that's going to last months and months 🤣

If some men think you're a decent, guaranteed, fuss free shag, he absolutely will get in touch a bit in advance to see if you might still be up for it. It's only a few messages, not any sort of effort.

category12 · 10/05/2024 19:31

Summerof2024 · 10/05/2024 19:11

He wouldn't be in the area though. He only knows that I live in The UK and could be absolutely anywhere. But I guess people think differently, I just can't get my head around someone being that forward planning over sex for a trip that's going to last months and months 🤣

It's all relative though - if he's from the US, for example, internal flights or driving massive distances are pretty normal (although maybe our road network would be a shock 😂). If you were up for it, it's not a big deal to add a leg to the journey.

And it's all very "throw it out there" - just because he suggested it, doesn't mean it would actually happen. He might have found out where you are and realised it's impractical.

Summerof2024 · 10/05/2024 19:55

category12 · 10/05/2024 19:31

It's all relative though - if he's from the US, for example, internal flights or driving massive distances are pretty normal (although maybe our road network would be a shock 😂). If you were up for it, it's not a big deal to add a leg to the journey.

And it's all very "throw it out there" - just because he suggested it, doesn't mean it would actually happen. He might have found out where you are and realised it's impractical.

I think my weight gain since the pandemic would also be a shock 🤣

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Xenoi24 · 10/05/2024 20:12

Summerof2024 · 10/05/2024 19:11

He wouldn't be in the area though. He only knows that I live in The UK and could be absolutely anywhere. But I guess people think differently, I just can't get my head around someone being that forward planning over sex for a trip that's going to last months and months 🤣

I should have said region, rather than area.

To someone living in US, the different regions of the UK are not exactly far apart.

His intentions are clear from him talking about "baby making without making the baby", your body, giving you a massage/touching you etc.

And his apparent disappearance when you said you don't do hookups any more.

And yeah, some ppl plan ahead/put the feelers out.

Summerof2024 · 10/05/2024 20:51

Xenoi24 · 10/05/2024 20:12

I should have said region, rather than area.

To someone living in US, the different regions of the UK are not exactly far apart.

His intentions are clear from him talking about "baby making without making the baby", your body, giving you a massage/touching you etc.

And his apparent disappearance when you said you don't do hookups any more.

And yeah, some ppl plan ahead/put the feelers out.

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Well I don't know if he's actually disappeared because I left him on read. We had wrapped up the catch up convo very pleasantly with him saying he was about to fall asleep and both saying to each other that we were happy to stay in touch. 45 minutes later he pops back up and mentions my body. So I'm guessing he tried to sleep and couldn't and thought he'd try a text chat which I shut down.

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