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Is this domestic abuse?

65 replies

JustSloth · 07/05/2024 17:39

Hi

I've been with my husband for 17 years. Looking back there were incidents of physical violence but my confidence was so low I just accepted it. I was just glad somebody wanted to be with me. Pathetic I know. The incidents were;

Pulling me out of bed and dragging me across the floor leaving bruises.
Pushing me up against wall with hands around throat then pushing me and throwing a glass
Getting angry at me because KFC forgot to give us salt so I wanted to go back and get some so he put his foot down and sped of in the car , I didn't have my belt on and my door was still open so I could have fallen out. I was pregnant .
Hitting me on arm and telling me he would kill me and bury me in garden
Roughly grabbing me

There has been no physical violence for about 8 years. I did try and leave but he would always go back to being really nice.

Anyway we went on to have 4 kids. One of them has global development delay and my husband has never had patience. I have always thought he is too strict , he thinks I'm too soft. Our son is now 14 and has big meltdowns where he shouts, swears ,throws things. I can calm him down tho so it doesn't escalate. But his dad doesn't have the patience and will shout back , swear back , call him nasty names, threaten to hit him etc. This makes my son worse and he will get more angry and punch holes in the wall, breaks things etc.

Weve both done a parenting course and my husband did try the strategies for a few weeks but couldn't maintain it.

Last year I told him to leave but he got angry because our son came in the room as we were talking and refused to leave. Husband threatened to punch him in the mouth. I told him he can't talk to him like that and he would have to go tomorrow if he was going to be abusive. He then called me a bitch and said I was nasty for leaving him at Christmas.

I went to bed and he stayed downstairs and drank bottle of whiskey and bottle of wine. He came upstairs and called me vile names, deliberately farted on me and then kicked my legs away when I tried to get out of bed. The next morning he phoned his mum and she was nasty to me too, telling me I'm mad ( I have bipolar) , Im a bad mum , I'm lazy etc. Husband agreed and said I should be sectioned. I was so upset 😭. He went to his mum's for few days but came home apologising and being nice again and said he had been drunk etc that he wouldn't normally have acted like that.

I have asked him to leave since Christmas but he refuses and I'm stuck in the cycle. The other week he had an argument with our son again and told him he was going to rip his head off, etc.

We have a family support worker from Early Help who is aware of all this and has put husband on waiting list for more parenting courses.

Do I wait for him to do these courses in the hope he will change? Or do I get out now anyway ? He won't leave, and is mostly nice to me , no violence etc though he does slam doors, swears, shouts and has punched a hole in the wall. I am overwhelmed and stuck . Is this domestic abuse or poor anger management? He has stood by me through thick and thin and had lots of good times too .

OP posts:
JustSloth · 19/05/2024 10:12

Hihosilverlining79 · 18/05/2024 19:27

He is abusing you and your children, it will just continue. I hope you manage to get sorted op.

Thank you . I guess I'm stuck in the cycle of nasty and nice and I hold onto hope. I keep thinking if he does these parenting courses then it may be ok x

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Shadesofscarlett · 19/05/2024 10:14

Do you honestly believe him getting help will change his behaviour?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 19/05/2024 10:23

"I guess I'm stuck in the cycle of nasty and nice and I hold onto hope. I keep thinking if he does these parenting courses then it may be ok"

And that is indeed a triumph of hope over your own experiences of him. He's already done one parenting course; how many more do you think he will actually do?. A plethora of parenting courses is not going to cut it, he did not even bother properly with the initial one.

Even now you have a choice re this man, your children do not. What are they going to remember here about their childhoods?. They won't likely want to see either of you at all when they leave home and will pour scorn on you because in their eyes you have not protected them.

The nice/nasty cycle of abuse he shows you, and in turn your children, is a continuous one.

Let go of any and all residual hope he will change. He will not change because this is who he really is. You need ongoing support from the likes of Womens Aid here. Due to him none of you are safe and secure in this household.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 19/05/2024 10:31

Thank you . I guess I'm stuck in the cycle of nasty and nice and I hold onto hope. I keep thinking if he does these parenting courses then it may be ok x

OP, it will never ever be ok. He is a nasty, violent, abusive bully. That's who he is. That won't change. The fact that he can act nice sometimes is normal for people like this. It's not a sign that he will change.

JustSloth · 24/05/2024 09:44

I've finished the DA group and I'm having DA counselling. I also have an appointment with my key worker from the DA charity next week. So I am dealing with everything as best as I can .

Another incident last night. My son was cooking burgers and he brought them into the living room on the tray, to show us to ask if they were done. Some of the oil dropped onto his dad's foot scalding him. He naturally shouted,as anyone would in that situation.

My son then swore at his dad and called him a name. So his dad then retaliated calling him a prick, fuck off etc. Then my son threatened to throw his dinner so my husband threatened to throw the ketchup bottle at him. Cue lots of swearing from husband. Then my son threw a bin at him then rubbed rubbish in my husband's face. Husband threatened to get him arrested. Lots of name calling swearing etc.

My son's behaviour was wrong too so is husband justified in getting that angry? Or would you say he still shouldn't be name calling and swearing etc.

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SuffolkUnicorn · 24/05/2024 09:54

You know what the answer is

what decent father would speak to their child like that? You’re always making excuses for him god help your sons confidence

SuffolkUnicorn · 24/05/2024 09:55

Your son has this behaviour because he’s seen the way his father treats him and the family and thinks it’s the norm

EnFlique · 24/05/2024 09:55

JustSloth · 24/05/2024 09:44

I've finished the DA group and I'm having DA counselling. I also have an appointment with my key worker from the DA charity next week. So I am dealing with everything as best as I can .

Another incident last night. My son was cooking burgers and he brought them into the living room on the tray, to show us to ask if they were done. Some of the oil dropped onto his dad's foot scalding him. He naturally shouted,as anyone would in that situation.

My son then swore at his dad and called him a name. So his dad then retaliated calling him a prick, fuck off etc. Then my son threatened to throw his dinner so my husband threatened to throw the ketchup bottle at him. Cue lots of swearing from husband. Then my son threw a bin at him then rubbed rubbish in my husband's face. Husband threatened to get him arrested. Lots of name calling swearing etc.

My son's behaviour was wrong too so is husband justified in getting that angry? Or would you say he still shouldn't be name calling and swearing etc.

Your son has grown up seeing this behaviour, so this is how he has learned to behave.
Living with domestic abuse is traumatising for children (even if they haven’t witnessed physical violence directly) and there is support to help them to understand what they have been through and to find ways to manage the impact.

Your circumstances sounds incredibly difficult, with a lot of things that might make it feel impossible to leave.

Its great that you are accessing courses around Domestic Abuse and hopefully they will increase your understanding and confidence to a point where you feel you’re able to get away from your husband, as although he is not physically hurting you any more he is most definitely abusing both you and your son.

I would be happy to offer more advice if you want it (I work with children affected by DA) but also know it can be very overwhelming, especially on a thread where there are so many posters offering advice & support.

JustSloth · 24/05/2024 10:05

SuffolkUnicorn · 24/05/2024 09:54

You know what the answer is

what decent father would speak to their child like that? You’re always making excuses for him god help your sons confidence

I'm not making excuses for him. If I am, then why am I accessing and accepting help from my local services and reading up on DA and doing all I can to learn ?

My son hasn't seen any physical violence nor does my husband treat me like this . The majority of the abuse towards me was before our children were born. They haven't witnessed him abusive towards me.

Its very common for people in DA situations to be confused so please don't think ill of me. I'm doing my best

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JustSloth · 24/05/2024 10:07

EnFlique · 24/05/2024 09:55

Your son has grown up seeing this behaviour, so this is how he has learned to behave.
Living with domestic abuse is traumatising for children (even if they haven’t witnessed physical violence directly) and there is support to help them to understand what they have been through and to find ways to manage the impact.

Your circumstances sounds incredibly difficult, with a lot of things that might make it feel impossible to leave.

Its great that you are accessing courses around Domestic Abuse and hopefully they will increase your understanding and confidence to a point where you feel you’re able to get away from your husband, as although he is not physically hurting you any more he is most definitely abusing both you and your son.

I would be happy to offer more advice if you want it (I work with children affected by DA) but also know it can be very overwhelming, especially on a thread where there are so many posters offering advice & support.

Thank you. Yes I'd appreciate advice thank you

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EnFlique · 24/05/2024 10:15

JustSloth · 24/05/2024 10:07

Thank you. Yes I'd appreciate advice thank you

I have sent you a PM

1981SJ · 24/05/2024 10:20

I know its easier said than done but from experience men like this don't change no matter what course he has done I hope you get the courage to leave him and you and your children have a life you deserve

JustSloth · 31/05/2024 21:29

My key worker from the domestic abuse charity did a dash assessment and sent a referral to Marac which has been accepted. I'm very scared

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Arole · 18/12/2024 00:21

Yes and yes. Your husband is not only abusing you, he is also abusing your children. The children cannot thrive in this environment and in time, they might start treating you the way your husband does.
I was lucky enough to leave after being in an abusive relationship for 18 years.
I know leaving might feel like an impossible task, but please prioritize your life and your children.
Your husband is not healthy. He needs the kind of help that only mental heath professionals can provide.
Abuse is never ok.

Rosiered40 · 19/12/2024 23:54

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