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Divorce and finances, views

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Notsurewhatiswhat · 30/04/2024 23:08

Hi All

New to posting but read several threads with interest, appreciating both the impartial views on divorce and those that lean a particular way. I was interested in people’s views on my particular situation as it is good to see the views of others that aren’t involved.

My OH and I separated at Christmas 2021. We have the decree nisi but want to sort finances before the final step.

I’ll keep this as short as I can.

We have 2 children aged 9 and 7. When we split up, we alternated weeks at the house, doing all child care and school runs when it was our week and staying elsewhere when it was not. She stayed at a friend’s empty flat and I moved between a friend and my parents. After 6 months her arrangement was no longer possible. I agreed that as a temporary measure that she could stay at the house and I would have the kids every weekend and half of all holidays. This has now been the status quo for almost 2 years as she refuses to stay at her mother’s. I know that her mother is relieved at this as my OH is hard work, but the option is available.

I’m not happy being just a weekend Dad but to avoid arguments I’ve maintained it, despite each weekend being a 300 mile trip (over 16,000 miles last year). On a handful of occasions she has agreed to do a 20 mile round trip to make my journey easier but that is no longer a battle worth having.

I work from the family home on a Friday as it is near the school. I pay half of the bills and last weekend she asked if I could work elsewhere. I’m not happy with this as she is starting to treat it as though it is all hers. It is our main asset and it is falling into disrepair. I want to sell but need 2 weeks to get it back into a sellable condition. She promises to try to arrange something and then changes her mind at the last minute.

Background to finances
We bought our first flat together in 2011 and her Dad gave her a £100k deposit. In 2012 we married. Over the years he has given more so it is just under £250k, which is essentially an early inheritance as he has 2 children similar in age to ours, so they will receive everything else. We did a deed of trust in 2014 stating that she would get the first £250k if we ever split up. In 2015 we had our first child. In 2020 we moved to a new house.

We now have about £600k in equity in the house. She kept our savings (about 10k) as it was in her account, and we both have pensions, hers is about 50k and mine is about 280k. I’ve been paying into my pension for 26 yrs and she has done half that. There is a 5 year age gap between us but she didn’t start work until 27 as her dad paid her to study.

During our time together, I transferred all my salary to her bar £50 for ad hoc expenses. I have always earned about £300 a month more than her until 2 months before we separated when it jumped to £1200 difference. She has never been the main carer with us both sharing childcare equally (her doing drop offs and me doing pick ups). I did the cooking, shopping, dressing and bedtimes, before eventually also doing drop offs as she found it too stressful.

We have been trying to come to an agreement on financials. We have tried one mediation which was a waste of time. I suggested that she keeps the first £250k and her pension, I keep my pension and we split the remaining equity 50-50. I explained that ideally I need £180k but understood that would only be achievable if the house sold for what we hoped would be the minimal. I also said that if it sold for more I would cap it at £180k.

If there was enough for me to get my ideal £180k, this would give her £430k and her pension (£480k total), I would have £180k and my pension (£460k). This would considerably reduce her mortgage requirements in comparison with me, where the majority of my share I could potentially never see. If I didn’t live to see it, it would go to the children as inheritance.

I think this is fair but she is fixated on being mortgage free and informed me last weekend that she should get the first £250k, and the rest would be split 50-50, so she would walk away with half my pension, or I protect that and end up with insufficient deposit to buy.

Interested in people’s thoughts. She is of the opinion that no court would think she is being unreasonable. I think otherwise and so does everyone that knows me. However, I appreciate that my friends and family will always side with me, especially when they all think she is walking all over me. Interested in views from impartial people.

For info, there has been no violence or abuse in or outside of the relationship.

OP posts:
AnnieSF · 02/05/2024 02:23

@Notsurewhatiswhat it really doesn't matter how much of the shopping you did. It's the same as if someone cheats on the other. It doesn't entitle one to a greater % than the other. You know that your wife's family has provided a large sum of money towards property and you agreed that she should be entitled to it back if things went badly. Why are you now trying to take this money? It reflects very poorly on you.

grinandslothit · 02/05/2024 03:33

Notsurewhatiswhat · 01/05/2024 10:08

I was worried at first that this was part of a plan to make her appear the primary carer and manipulate how her involvement with the kids looks. I gave her the benefit of the doubt, but with my working week and having the kids every weekend I haven’t had the time to take a breath.

She is the primary parent though. You only see them on the weekends.

She changed her locks and it means she doesn't want you there. You're going to end up getting arrested if you keep messing around with this.

MMadness · 02/05/2024 07:27

If the house is jointly owned, she cannot deny you access.

Just get the ball rolling, move back in, get a solicitor and play as dirty as she is. Starting with her deposit.

I'm sure she'd not want to risk losing it and will realise your request is reasonable.

curious79 · 02/05/2024 07:39

You have dragged your feet for far too long, trying to sort things out amicably with someone who is clearly greedy. Don’t honour the deed - it’s weak and puts you in a weak position. Speak to a lawyer ASAP, and start formal financial divorce proceedings so you’re on a court ordered timetable (these are entirely separate from childcare arrangements)

VoteHappy · 02/05/2024 07:53

The 250K is hers, it's not part of the divorce settlement.
You are being cheeky saying you will honour it, you have no choice.

Fair split is 50/50
So 250K to her then everything else is split 50/50.
Or to keep your pension you give her a greater share in the equity
This is not only about her but your DC and 50/50 is very fair so I would accept that or you could find yourself with less

WoodBurningStov · 02/05/2024 08:19

She's manoeuvered herself into a position of power by moving permanently into the family home and becoming the resident parent. She can't stop you coming back into the house. Might be worth moving back in. Whilst you stay away and give her the run of the house she'll never be incentivised to sort the finances out.

If you can't agree via mediation then it's likely to go to court. The starting point for any financial separation is 50-50 so the equity of the house and your pensions together, remove the first £250,000 and then split the rest 50/50

The fairest and easiest would be she keeps the 250k, you keep your respective pensions and you split the remainder 50/50, so 175k each. I think you can kiss the 10k savings goodbye.

If you've moved back into the house and aim for 50/50 with the dc then it's unlikely she will be entitled to more than 50%. If she's seen as the resident parent and her need is greater because she has the dc then she may be awarded more.

You need to seek legal advice

WoodBurningStov · 02/05/2024 08:22

WoodBurningStov · 02/05/2024 08:19

She's manoeuvered herself into a position of power by moving permanently into the family home and becoming the resident parent. She can't stop you coming back into the house. Might be worth moving back in. Whilst you stay away and give her the run of the house she'll never be incentivised to sort the finances out.

If you can't agree via mediation then it's likely to go to court. The starting point for any financial separation is 50-50 so the equity of the house and your pensions together, remove the first £250,000 and then split the rest 50/50

The fairest and easiest would be she keeps the 250k, you keep your respective pensions and you split the remainder 50/50, so 175k each. I think you can kiss the 10k savings goodbye.

If you've moved back into the house and aim for 50/50 with the dc then it's unlikely she will be entitled to more than 50%. If she's seen as the resident parent and her need is greater because she has the dc then she may be awarded more.

You need to seek legal advice

Apologies my calculations are wrong, you need to split the pensions too. So she will need a bigger % of the equity and a portion of your pension.

VoteHappy · 02/05/2024 08:31

How has she moved in as a position of power,honestly what nonsense!

The DC need a stable home environment,he moved 300 miles away and has been happy that she is main carer for 2 YEARS!

Now it's coming to the financial settlement
He's saying he won't honour the 250K, not up to him
He's saying she's not the RP after 2 years where she had DC aside from eow and half the holidays
As I said previously go with 50/50 split after 250K has been taken into account
You should count yourself fortunate with that as she could likely get more
Don't go to court ,a judge with not look on this behaviour kindly at all.

Yetmorebeanstocount · 02/05/2024 09:40

Wilson79 · 01/05/2024 03:54

How does someone get 50% of your pension? Sorry I literally had no idea this was the case. I though pensions belonged to individuals and essentially died with them and were non transferable

This is for private pensions, where essentially the pension company is holding a pot of money for you.

It is not state pensions where there is no pot of money, and you are correct the pension is for the individual based on their NI contributions.

Notsurewhatiswhat · 02/05/2024 11:03

grinandslothit · 02/05/2024 03:33

She is the primary parent though. You only see them on the weekends.

She changed her locks and it means she doesn't want you there. You're going to end up getting arrested if you keep messing around with this.

Don’t worry, I’m not going to get myself arrested because I haven’t done anything wrong and don’t intend to. I’m not going to start shouting and screaming at her and I’m certainly not going to try and break in or anything stupid like that.

OP posts:
Katiekatiekate · 30/03/2025 21:14

I’ have been divorced 10 years ago, we never did a financial settlement, but 2 years ago he tricked me to leave my home saying it was going back to bank, leaving me my daughter and granddaughter homeless, I’m now doing the settlement, he started the company whe we were married, but he left me 8 months after starting the company, by telephone call a week before Christmas after 18 year marriage, he then announced in the January that the person he left me for just gave birth to their son, the company is very successful and he thinks I’m being greedy, any advice

Ohyeahwaitaminute · 31/03/2025 05:02

@Katiekatiekate This thread is almost a year old. Try starting a new thread for your issue. You’ll get lots of responses.

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