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Is it me or him who is unusual

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Oldsadmum · 25/04/2024 12:27

This is my first post - and I'm honestly not sure if I'm losing my mind, so please bear with me and be gentle. I am truly incredibly upset, perhaps wrongly.
I have been with my husband for over 30 years. We have two daughters together and in many ways a good life. But we have reached a crisis point. Or rather, I have.
During our whole relationship, for context, we have had problems because he tells lies. Not necessarily big lies, just a lot of lies all the time, even about small stupid things that don't matter. He says he doesn't lie about any big things, so doesn't see the issue really. Although obviously that is his definition of big things, certainly not mine, and as he lies, who knows if it's true? His lies have affected his career as well as his marriage.
He has various mental health issues, which are mainly under control now because he is on antidepressants. Apparently the lying started before I knew him, he remembers lying a lot as a child. He lies to everyone, not just me.

The help I need is to know whether I'm over-reacting to our latest problem. When my children were small, over a decade ago, I came to realise that my husband was watching a lot of porn. By a lot, I mean every day, sometimes multiple times. Not only was he watching it, but he was also watching porn instead of spending time with me and our children. He had a senior job and would work long hours with a lot of extra hours at home in the evening- he rarely if ever spent an evening with me.

When I discovered his porn habit I checked his laptop and it turned out when he had been telling me that he couldn't help put the children to bed because he was working, or couldn't spend time with me because he was working he was actually watching porn. It also wasn't strictly just porn sites, but also sites where there was potential to chat with the women if you paid. I found no evidence he'd done that. This caused a lot of upset and he agreed that he wouldn't look at porn any more. Not so much because I had an issue with porn (which I didn't then - I've kind of changed that view lately after a few documentaries I've watched about the way women are treated, but I'm not strictly anti porn) but because it was replacing our relationship. I accepted that and basically never checked his internet history again.

About two months ago I walked into my husband's office during the work day (he works from home one day a week) and something about the way he covered something up caught my eye. I asked him what he was hiding and he said it was nothing. I asked him if he was lying to me and he said "I'm not lying to you". I said I felt like he was gaslighting me and he swore he was not gaslighting me. I felt uncomfortable, but I left the room.

About 30 seconds later instead of sighing and ignoring my instinct that he was lying to me like I usually do, I went back into the room and - surprise, he tries to hide his tablet but he's looking at porn again.

To cut a long story short, it turns out he's been doing this again for at least the last five years. He told me it was once a week, which actually I would not have really cared about other than the lying part, but when I looked at his internet history it was every day, sometimes more than once. Again sometimes at times when he was 'working' in the evenings. Also when he slept in the spare room after disagreements that I'm now wondering if he was deliberately starting so he could go in there and watch porn.

This time it's also mainly on Twitter rather than porn sites and looking at the videos there are a percentage of what he's watched which are made by escorts touting for business or women from onlyfans. I don't know if he clicked through or interacted. His internet history also has searches for "have an affair" and strip clubs and brothels near his office. He says he didn't click through or visit them and says he'd never search for that stuff so he doesn't know how it's in his history. Obviously this is bullshit. I can't tell from the data I saw how far this went, because most of it he has deleted. Some of what he watched is pretty extreme. Not illegal, but slightly unusual by general standards - I am not a prude and was aware of his prefs around some of this stuff - was happy to explore it with him when we were still having a normal sex life, although it's really not my thing.

He says the reason he was looking at porn is because we don't have sex much any more. This is true this time (although not the first time) - we don't, about five years ago I caught him in a lie that made me distrust whether he is sleeping with other people/escorts (I have no hard evidence he was so had to leave it there, with a suspicion level that I couldn't get comfortable with) and so I stopped wanting to have sex with him. We probably only had sex fortnightly. When we did, he often couldn't orgasm anyway which he blamed on his antidepressants. Ironically I thought they had taken away his sex drive - turns out it was just because he was watching porn every day and was more interested in that than in me. He still had a sex life and wanted it, it just didn't include me.

About two weeks before I discovered this we had had a conversation about his lying where he told me emphatically he never lies to me about big stuff and specifically mentioned that he no longer looks at porn, never has affairs etc. Unfortunately, he is a very good liar. He seems completely believable when he lies and I think I believed him although I knew I was stupid to. If you met him you'd think he was a lovely guy and very charming. He has always got away with lying because he is charming and attractive and a very good liar.

To cut a long story short, he says I'm abnormal at being upset about this and has been pretty horrible to me about it - even when I'm crying. He seems more angry than contrite. He says he shouldn't have lied, but all men watch porn and I'm the unusual one being upset about this. He says as far as he's concerned it causes no harm and he enjoys it and he thinks I'm essentially unreasonable not wanting him to do it which is why he did and lied about it. He also says he's sick of talking about it.
I think for me the issue is that it's so frequent and also it seems that he has chosen ways to view it that would allow interaction if you wanted it. He also says "I'm not even on Tinder" as if that's some great moral accomplishment. When I replied 'because you're married' he said 'most people are on it' and when pushed said "fine, maybe not most people who are married". Frankly I think he has a lot of issues, even when we are out he regularly stares at other women in front of me. I presume he's addicted to porn and I guess reading this back he's definitely not attracted to me any more.

I suppose I just want perspectives on whether I'm being crazy and unreasonable as my husband says. I don't know how to move forward with this. I have been with him since I was a teenager and I feel like I'm ripping the whole family apart if I leave him over what he sees as trivial. I think about what it will be like at my daughters' weddings and the plans we had for retirement and our future grandchildren and it just breaks my heart. I can't ask anyone around me for perspective because I'm embarrassed - embarrassed by what he's doing and by my stupidity for not leaving him sooner.

Stupidly, and I know I'm an idiot- trust me I feel bad enough about myself - I still love him enormously despite all this. I wish I didn't. We have spent our whole lives together and often it was good as long as I buried my head a bit about the lying. I'm also in my fifties and I can't face the thought of having to date etc. and honestly, I think I'd find it very hard to find someone interested now. I was attractive when younger but I'm definitely not now.

OP posts:
Aquamarine1029 · 25/04/2024 15:29

You've been living with your head buried in the sand for decades now. Enough is enough. Your marriage is an absolute sham.

ShadesofPoachedSmoke · 25/04/2024 15:54

I have no hard evidence he was so had to leave it there, with a suspicion level that I couldn't get comfortable with

You don't need hard evidence to leave a relationship. You can leave at any time because it isn't right for you. You don't need "proof". Your unhappiness is enough.

He sounds truly appalling and I'd be too disgusted to stay in a marriage with such a revolting man.

ShadesofPoachedSmoke · 25/04/2024 16:01

And i don't just mean the prom when i say he's disgusting - it's his lying and treatment of you that's awful. He doesn't care that he's damaging you.

Angelsrose · 25/04/2024 16:13

Dump him, when things get so convoluted and traumatic, it is time to leave for your own sanity. You'll be much better off and happier. Plus, once you leave, if your DH wants to watch porn and sleep with escorts 24/7 it will have no effect on your mental or physical health.

Atethehalloweenchocs · 25/04/2024 16:23

He is a liar. Nothing he says can be trusted. He was already a liar, before becoming an addict, and addicts are notorious liars. It is the hardest thing for recovering addicts to handle - the fact that their family cant necessary believe them. But it is part of the process, and they just have to accept it.

You will make yourself crazy trying to sift through what he says. This is the problem with telling lies - when you need people to believe you, they are not sure they can. In addition to all of this, he sounds like he is happy to be horrible to you - not all addicts do this, although going on the offensive can be part of it when the addiction comes to light. Please dont feel bad for loving him still, or not wanting to date again - who knows what the future brings. But do think carefully about whether being around him will be detrimental to your mental health.

Cantalever · 25/04/2024 16:32

You deserve so much better than this. It seems as though you might be thinking that your choice is to stay with him or leave and find someone else. That is not the real choice - which is in the middle: leave him and be on your own for as long as it takes to process the gaslighting of awful behavior that you have been subjected to. Get perspective on your own for a while, get strong (he has undermined your natural strength), have counselling if needed, and start enjoying life on your own terms, which must include a requirement of honesty and integrity in anyone you choose to be close to. You will build up your self-esteem and self-respect. That is what will attract another mate, if that is what you want. But do time on your own first. Flowers

MILTOBE · 25/04/2024 16:38

How would being on your own be worse than being with you? He manufactures arguments so that he can go and wank in the spare room. He lies about absolutely everything - at work, as well, which makes me think that's all going to go belly up at some point. You've thought he was having affairs.

Just because you've known him for years doesn't mean you have to stay for even more years. You can still be friends with him without being in a relationship.

Bookworm20 · 25/04/2024 16:45

Nope, just nope.

He is basically cheating on you, lying about it, blaming you for it, (both the looking at porn and his having to lie about it) and now trying to make you feel like there's something wrong with you.

FYI, there is nothing wrong with you. There is everything wrong with him.

Whats the point of him?
He clearly has zero respect for you.

My advice would be just get rid of him. He is untrustworthy, unfaithful, disrespectful, selfish, entitled, uncaring and quite frankly disgusting.

If theres any good points that override those, then maybe you can work it out. I can't think of a single thing that would though. I mean even if he was an absolute god in bed........ but I get the feeling he is pretty lacking there too.

So yes, seriously, what's the point of him?

takemeawayagain · 25/04/2024 16:55

He's a liar. He's lying when he says he only tells small lies. I bet you don't know the half of what he gets up to. What MH issues has he been diagnosed with? I'd be thinking a personality disorder with that constant lying - and very low self esteem.
I'd say run a mile but after 30 years together I know how hard that can be. You deserve much better than this twat though.

StarsBeneathMyFeet · 25/04/2024 16:59

You say you love him but what do you really love about him? Surely this taints everything? You can’t trust him. He doesn’t treat you with respect. I know it’s scary starting over. I did (okay I’m a bit younger than you) but I realised after a certain point that being alone was better than being in a miserable marriage without mutual respect. I did have a crunch moment where I saw him for what he was and in that moment, any love I had for him died. He jumped into a new relationship within a couple of weeks. She’s welcome to him! Being alone has been far better. I did meet someone after a while but I’d stand by being alone being better than being that unhappy.

Nomore45 · 25/04/2024 17:25

I know, and have dated, several men that have no interest in porn. Believe me, you can tell the difference between the ones who indulge and those that don’t. I’m 50+ and engaged to a lovely man who gets all his kicks with me. So, when your husband tells you ‘all men do it’, don’t believe him. It’s a pathetic excuse for his own weakness.

I also concur with PPs that being on your own after a divorce is often a blessing. Don’t underestimate the relief, peace, and independence of living your own life on your own terms. I gave it up reluctantly, but only because I found a gem. Your husband does not sound like a gem.

Bignanna · 25/04/2024 17:41

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 25/04/2024 13:51

He is choosing pawn over his wife and children. His behaviour is seriously messed up, he is an addict and like all addicts his addiction matters more than the people in his life. He is a shitty husband and a shitty father. Id want to get my kids out of that environment and away from his addiction and the associated behaviour. He's not normal at all.

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Pawn is fine-porn is not!

CanaryMary · 25/04/2024 18:28

wow he’s got an addiction by the sounds of it , porn and compulsive lying.

i wonder if he believes his lies and this is why you think he’s good at it because he believes what he says?
it’s not normal though and it sounds like he’s trying to throw the blame on to you. Unfortunately I don’t think there’s much hope for him changing. Especially as you say he’s always lied it’s clearly something that comes too easily for him and is part of his personality. Sorry you’re going through this

Mongui · 20/05/2024 20:15

This thread resonates. I recently discovered that my husband watches porn regularly. I was so extremely upset. He told me that for him it is a physical need, a quick release that has nothing to do with the way he feels about me, that he loves me, wants to spend the rest of his life with me and finds me as sexually attractive as when we first met. It is true that I can’t remember a time when he has rejected me and generally he has always wanted more.

All of that sounds positive. Right? But 7 years ago I discovered that he had been saving pictures of our 20 years old nanny in bikini ( her profile on facebook was public at the time). I was pregnant with our second baby and I was extremely upset but didn’t have the mental capacity to deal with it and I decided to forgive him and move on.

Fast forward, 2 weeks ago he tells me he consumes porno 2 to 3 times a week (it will be more often if he said it was 2 to 3 times) and I am not happy.

But a bit like many others in this thread, he implied it was a bit my fault for not wanting more. We have a good sex life but I do feel he doesn’t create the opportunities for us to have more because he is always very busy, both with work , with our boys and also he socialises a lot, more than I would like to…). He also said that all men do it and I was the unusual one for not using it.
But my concern is that porn is highly addictive and I don’t know how far he is going with it. I undertook a hour of research and I was horrified both by the very questionable content available on the internet but also how interactive can be. In the hour of research I took in a famous porn website , I was invited to meet someone at least 3 times. I was also asked many times to pay for extra content and services. I didn’t pay but we can all imagine what it is…. Awful…

I am upset, and worried about my relationship and this discovery has been stressful, no matter how many times my husband tells me that all men do it, that he is a passive user and that he loves me and finds irresistible.

Is it me? Am I paranoid? Should I ask him to stop or is this level of consumption acceptable?

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