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Am I being selfish and unreasonable…?

11 replies

SoniaA83 · 15/04/2024 06:05

Guidance needed

Hello, everyone,

Trying to be composed, so I can write my experience in short, for adequate advice to be given…

I have a 10 months old baby with a man I am not married with. The relationship, pregnancy, moving together, having a baby for the first time happened so quickly and I now realise I was not prepared. Not talking about the baby, but about the person who became the nightmare of my life.

Although in the beginning he was portraying himself as one who is responsible, even with proofs, because he was married before and had children during the marriage, so he made me see and hear his involvement, past and present, in children’s life, supporting the woman, none of that happened in my relationship.
Since the moment my baby was born, he found reasons not to suport.
Because the baby was a few days old when he wanted to show me how to bath him, because I was clueless and he has this vast experience, since in my opinion he was being too brutal in how he was handling the baby and I made the mistake to voice my concern, by saying “you are hurting him”, that was the end of it. He withdrew his support, to quote him.

Financially, we are separate. We live in the same house and we split the bills. His part is slightly higher, but won’t go into that. I am a proud woman, and arrogant, again quoting, because even if I need support at times, financially speaking, I won’t ask. So there was a time when the household shopping was made together, he was paying, and I was contributing 50%. Part of the shopping were the essentials for the baby, too. Then I went on maternity leave and my income decreased. He said then that I should contribute less than 50% for the house shopping, because anyway, whenever I go out, I always buy necessary stuff for the house, and that would compensate. How nice! ;)
From there, we got to him not caring about baby’s food, nappies, clothing, literally anything.
When being called for it, his reply was that I am the one getting his child benefit, and that alone would cover his needs. What is your part, then, I asked? He has a roof over his head, was his reply. In 10 months, he bought for my baby TWO toys, of which one for Christmas, and TWO times clothing (once before being born, and he made a scandal out of it), the second and last time when the baby was around 3 months old, two tracksuits.

On the other hand, he never misses the opportunity to tell me how he was only buying designer clothes for his other children, how all his money was spent for the house and the wife was not contributing with anything, how they had 3 holidays/year, how they were eating out every week. Whilst we never went anywhere, and when we had to go abroad for my baby’s Christening, he paid for HIS ticket, I paid for mine and the baby’s (which cost is insignificant, it is the intention behind it). Not to mention that he requested of me half of the money received as Christening presents, and when being reluctant and saying that was the baby’s money, he argued that it’s not, as we spent money on the event. So I had to give him half, and as a conclusion, the baby and myself paid for his Christening reception and other expenses.

He even got to the point of reproaching me that “I am eating his food”, meaning he is buying it, although I went in debt to contribute equally in the house, for that.

I wanted to leave many times, I even packed a bag so many times. I am not well in this relationship. Unfulfilled, unhappy, always being told what he did for his family and experiencing what he does for me and my child. Bare minimum. It feels so many times that it is on purpose, just to show me how worthless I am… Because it is all my fault, as he says. I don’t know how to raise my child, I am spoiling him by not disciplining him, all I do is wrong.
But I developed some kind of survival instincts for my baby…thinking who am I to deprive him of the presence of a father? I should stay in it, so he can enjoy being with both parents… But then I think, what is the point if his father is not involved in any way. From 10 hours he is at home, 7-8 he will be on his phone/tv. From 3 hours, 2,5 on his phone. If the baby starts crying for various reasons, being a baby, shush, take him from here, or he goes into the bedroom and closes all the doors, because I am “unable to control him and spoiled him”.
Yesterday I told him that since he only gave instructions during these 10 months, I will be the one giving instructions and he will look after the baby, because it is his responsibility, too. Although I would not trust him to look after my baby. As I never did, I did not have 30 minutes for myself and away from my baby during these 10 months. Anyway, after having said that, he said that he will call social services, as I struggle and I need help.

To summarise, I raised my baby until now, all alone. Financially and all aspects. And I am wondering what’s his role in my baby’s life, why should I keep staying if there is no support? Is it worth it just for physical presence, although he is mainly absent?

And a bigger problem is that I want to leave and never hear of him in any way. No connection whatsoever. I would even go to the extent of changing the baby’s surname if that is possible (he bears the father’s surname). I know I don’t have the right to decide for my child, to take him away from his father and cut any ties, but that’s how I feel. I would not need any contribution either, for I have been told so many times I have his child benefit, so what to expect from such a being? How can I simply disappear from his life without complications and other authorities involved. And if I need to involve authorities, what proofs do I need that he is not being responsible for the child…?

I also know that this is not the right place to ask for such advice, but I don’t know where to begin…it seems it will all become messy, he already mentioned social services, as I stated earlier, and I KNOW he would do anything JUST TO HURT ME, not for caring for my child, I have never seen that.

OP posts:
lifesrichpageant · 15/04/2024 06:10

OP I hope you get some good advice and expertise here. I haven't been in your situation but it sounds like it's time to cut ties and move on for your baby's sake. This isn't a healthy relationship. Good luck and I hope you hear from some others on here soon.

IncognitoMam · 15/04/2024 07:35

It can be a good place to ask for advice as others will have experienced similar.
Best wishes to you.

Epidote · 15/04/2024 07:36

Can you leave? Do it.
You will not depriving your baby from his father, you will be getting your baby safe from an arsehole, who happens to be his father.
You need to get help in real life to see what you can do in terms of finances etc but don't stay. He is going to destroy your self steem.

Meadowfinch · 15/04/2024 07:46

OP, all I can say is that I left my ds' dad when ds was 2 for the same sort of reasons - lack of involvement, being controlling, excessive drinking etc.

We moved out into a tiny flat, I found a childminder and a job. DS didn't even notice his dad was no longer there, so little had he been involved.

It has done DS no harm. His dad not living with us is normal for him. He has grown up in a loving, secure household, sees his dad for a few hours on a Sunday and is happy, well balanced, doing well. I've never regretted leaving.

Don't stay if you aren't happy. You do no-one any favours.

Epidote · 15/04/2024 07:48

There is a list of things you can check.
Support in real life. Family, friends can they help in a short term mid term. Every help counts.
Institutional support. Can you check your rights with citizen advice bureau, government website to check if you are eligible to have some money allowance and also check with th council.
Other group support. Can you check with the organizations/charities that may help.

I know that some people is against SS, but I think that they may be of help if you explain the situation and they will keep a record.

Forgot to mention, you don't have the right to take away your kid that is correct, but you have the right to keep your kid safe and that implies to leave that environment.
You are thinking of doing the right thing for both of you.

ap1999 · 15/04/2024 08:29

There are a couple of important things you need to understand. As it sounds like you are from overseas and may not be up to speed with specific laws related to children in this country.

You say that your child has his surname. Does this mean he is also named as father on your child's birth certificate. ? If so then some very specific rules apply to you and him regarding care of your baby. By naming him as father and you as mother you have joint 'parental responsibility' which means neither parent can make (in general) 'big decisions' such as where baby will live without the agreement of the other parent. You for example cannot take the baby abroad without his complicit consent as this is regarded as child abduction. The same rule applies to him.
Even moving 'away' an unreasonable distance from one parent within the uK could leave you open to being required to 'make the child available' for contact . Which would be extremely difficult if you move more than an hour or so away.

If he is not named on the certificate, then I would get moving now, before he has time to get into court and establish parental responsibility. Preferably overseas beyond easy contact.

If you decide to remain in the UK do you have leave to remain ? Can you claim Universal Credit to top up your income ?

There is one thing you must do straightaway and that is to open a claim with the child maintenance service and ask them to open a claim. To understand how much he will have to pay go to

www.gov.uk/calculate-child-maintenance

SoniaA83 · 15/04/2024 10:48

Thank you all, for your replies.
Op1999, he is, unfortunately, on the baby’s birth certificate, as the father…
I did some research in the past and I learnt that there is no way of “removing” parental responsibility from a father, like in this case, only in some exceptional circumstances.

I am from abroad, indeed, and I have indefinite leave to remain, and eligible to UC, but even there, he wants half, because it is a mutual claim, although our incomes are not the same, but well… In 1 and 1/2 month, I will get back to work.

I would be able, to the limit, to sustain myself and my child here, the only reason I am thinking to go abroad (to my home country) would be to be as far as possible from him, and for the support I would have with the baby. And we would be far better, financially. But I also know it is not easy. Not because he cares about this child, but because he would do anything to harm me. I am worthless, his words, because for the bare minimum we receive, I started doing the same for him. It is a vicious circle…
And the day he mentioned social services, he said I was struggling, but he started with “there are many families out there, who want a beautiful baby, and will look after him”. After having said it was his turn to get involved, do all I have done for the past 10 months under instructions, and I will be just watching and giving instructions. That was his trigger. And after tried to “fix” initial statement and said I was struggling and I need help.
Like I said in my initial post, I don’t trust him being with my baby, because he is one of those who discipline by…smacking. There was an episode of this kind in the past, as the baby was making noise “unreasonably” and…I was the same, did not know what to do… So this is the reason I cannot trust him being with my baby, alone.

So back to my leaving him, ideally, I would leave without any expectation in terms of child maintenance, and with no contact. He has nothing to offer us, as he said so many times. The mother’s behaviour makes the man care for the children, another of his quotes. He has this mentality of the woman serving, being submissive, but whilst these women are maintained by their men, he wants me to contribute to everything, as “he is not my daddy”. And do everything in the house, even his part. And I think I could even do all of that if he was in any way involved with the baby. When in fact, all I hear and see are separatisms between his other children and my child. And when being told about it, his replies are that he is a baby, he is my duty, to care for him and nurture him, and for his necessities, there is the child benefit. That hurts…and only a mother understands…like why is MY child deserving less or nothing, is he worth less than any other child…?

When speaking of separation, because we did have these discussions, he said I will not leave him alone. What he does not understand is that I am so traumatised by everything, so fed up and hurt, that I don’t want to see or hear of him ever in my life.I was thinking I should keep records of the expenses, for the future. As I have them now, but only on the bank statement, not receipts for baby’s necessities. I also have recordings when he was stating that the child benefit should cover the expenses, how worthless and stupid I am, and many more. I just don’t know where to use them, and if it is enough.

Or maybe I should talk and find an amicable way, although I doubt it. And I am even sick just of the thought of it, if begging him. If I live abroad, he would expect me to bring the child to see him, which I don’t intend to. Only because I want to be like dead to him after leaving. I could rely on the fact he won’t be able to pay for the tickets, and hope I won’t be forced to do that.

OP posts:
Nonewclothes2024 · 15/04/2024 12:46

I wouldn't normally say this , I'd take the baby 'on holiday' to your home country and not come back. I bet he wouldn't even bother to follow you.
I'm a bit jaded this weekend from another useless 'father'.

IncognitoMam · 15/04/2024 12:51

Nonewclothes2024 · 15/04/2024 12:46

I wouldn't normally say this , I'd take the baby 'on holiday' to your home country and not come back. I bet he wouldn't even bother to follow you.
I'm a bit jaded this weekend from another useless 'father'.

Yes I'd do that.

LadySybilRamekin · 15/04/2024 13:07

Nonewclothes2024 · 15/04/2024 12:46

I wouldn't normally say this , I'd take the baby 'on holiday' to your home country and not come back. I bet he wouldn't even bother to follow you.
I'm a bit jaded this weekend from another useless 'father'.

This is terrible advice if your country has signed The Hague convention, you'd be handing him a very large stick to beat you with and it would look very bad on you if he takes legal action. I mean, leave him, but you need to know what your legal position is.

Nonewclothes2024 · 15/04/2024 14:05

LadySybilRamekin · 15/04/2024 13:07

This is terrible advice if your country has signed The Hague convention, you'd be handing him a very large stick to beat you with and it would look very bad on you if he takes legal action. I mean, leave him, but you need to know what your legal position is.

I agree and as I said I wouldn’t normally say this. He just sounds so crap and I’ve had a weekend of it

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