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Lost and lonely

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AlexFleming · 13/04/2024 08:40

Hi,

Feeling lonely and wondering what the hell happened to my life over the last few years.

I have recently turned 52 (female) and married at 25. I had been a quiet girl (only girl in a family of brothers, all older than me) and had worked hard at school, college and university to get myself a career (which I did and now in senior management within my profession). My mum and dad divorced when I was a young girl and my father disappeared from my life (met someone else). My mum struggled and, due to ill health, was never able to work throughout the time I was living with her. She struggled. She also never met another man. I vowed to do well and concentrated all of my efforts on achieving my goals. I took my mum on holidays etc. when I was earning. She'd never been abroad before.

I put guys on the back burner a lot, more out of nervousness and not knowing what the hell to do. I used to be quite shy when I was young.

Anyway, at 21 I met my husband when I was on my sandwich year from university. He was 32. He was living with his parents and had never had a proper girlfriend. Quiet and gentle nature. We got on ok and I enjoyed the trips we had (USA mainly) and we bought a house together when I left university and got my first job. We married a couple of years after graduation.

However, I will admit, our sex life was rubbish and he was pretty bad at everything. I never felt satisfied or even, desired. However, I hadn't had the experience to know any different and would crave the affection and passion I'd see on TV. He lacked something. It just didn't do anything for me. No kissing (and, boy, I love kissing), no real passion/touching/chemistry. We had two children (one artificially by fertility treatment), who are now almost grown (one at university). However, we drifted into a sexless marriage (I was about 35 years old). I just didn't enjoy it and it came to be a chore to me. He was so, well, dead in that department. Looking back, I realise that the sexual chemistry and connection just wasn't there. The age gap also became an issue for me as he aged a lot more rapidly than me in looks and in thoughts/ways.

A few years ago I entered menopause in quite an abrupt way. Periods stopped like a switch had been flicked. I had also recently lost my mum to bowel cancer (my mum was an older mum - in her 40's - when she had me). Well, things started changing for me. I know menopause was very influential in what happened next. I couldn't tolerate things. People. Family. Colleagues. My job!! My career! I did see a GP but was fobbed off saying it wasn't menopause and he gave me 4 weeks off on the sick. No difference. No HRT.

And this is where I am going to be slated. I became ridiculously sexual. I honestly didn't know why. Or, what was causing it. I didn't even realise I was menopausal at the time as I'd put everything down to my job (had started working nights a few times a month, which was playing havoc on my body). However, I still knew I couldn't go near my husband.

Yes, you guessed it. Another man came into my life. I had, innocently, gone into a chat site. Honestly, just looking for a chat about life etc. My husband just didn't communicate with me. We could go for a meal and he would sit there in complete silence! This was aside from our non-existent sex life (of over a decade at this point). I guess loneliness was starting to kick in, especially after the death of my mother.

I feel really bad about it all (yes, he is married) but we just hit it off chatting. We became very good friends and, of course, became very sexual in our conversations. I won't lie, I really enjoyed it. As did he. It was like I'd met someone who brought the best out in me. He, at the time, said he was in a sexless marriage too. We are close in age (him a year older). I was a bit led on at first as he said he was unhappy in his marriage (maybe I was naive to fall for this). He never wanted to meet and would cut contact with me as it 'wasn't fair on people' and could see what was happening.

Anyway, we met after about a year. Nothing sexual at first but we kissed. That kiss and the general affection he was giving me just blew me away. I know it was wrong. I really do. But, the overwhelming feelings just got in the way. If you've ever seen 'Bridges of Madison County' you'll know what I mean.

We met, again and again and again. We had amazing sex. We also spent time together outdoors and he took me places local to him.
I absolutely loved being with him. We have continued to have a great relationship online (via Messenger etc.) and on the phone. He, however, felt guilt when he calmed down. I know that I was missing this in my life all along. I ended my marriage very early on when I realised what was happening and why it was happening. It made me re-assess my past and why I was feeling the way I was. My marriage was nothing more than a friendship and I'd sacrificed my happiness for many years. My bottled up feelings were just ready to explode.

This relationship with this man has gone on for years. I know it is wrong. But, bottom line is...I fell for him. Like a fool. I'm in love with him. Deeply. I have tried dating sites (to find someone else) but don't have the connection that I have with this man. This is the problem. And, at my age (52), it's not getting any easier.

He has again moved our relationship into the friend zone. When we met up recently he said he felt guilty all the time and said he gets carried away. I felt like shit tbh. He has said this before btw. He then says he accepts he has feelings for me. Maybe he does but he won't do anything about it. We had lunch and walked in the park. He said his marriage had improved a lot (still not perfect) and has asked me a few times if I'm going to join a club (a sport, or something) to meet someone else. I feel gutted tbh. When we parted, I couldn't help but well up and he took hold of me and hugged me tight, kissed my head, stroked my hair and took hold of my hand. More affection, again, and more than my husband had ever given me in over 23 years of marriage!!

We had been due to separate at a tube station but he ended up taking me to the station where I'd catch my train. He held me the entire time and squeezed/stroked my hand.

He has gone quiet again but still keeps in touch.

I have lost my marriage, I ended up leaving my job (although returning to a similar role soon - current role is extremely stressful and I'm overworked), I have spent £££ on a solicitor, I have no family (apart from the two kids), I have to sell my house soon (to give stbx his share) and I feel extremely lonely and sad. I feel I have messed up my life by not searching for the right man in the first place. I was so naive and experienced that I made a decision, when young, that has led to an unhappy life and a very lonely marriage.

I find nights are the worst. I knew there was a passionate woman hiding in there (and there was).

I tried Tinder and Bumble (numerous times) and getting nowhere. No connection.

As for this man. I can't let go of him. Even as a friend. We could have a fantastic friendship but it's tinged with deep sadness that it won't go further.

Please be kind.

Please help suggest things to get me out of this despair. I'm not enjoying life at all, right now.

OP posts:
pinkdelight · 13/04/2024 08:55

You can't be friends with that man, and you can let go of him, and you should. First step is being honest with yourself about these things because romanticising it is not going to help you move on. You stuck with him way too long already and are full of excuses about how it began and went on. You may have been naive as you say but framing it the way you do feeds into this tragic scenario where you have no agency. I've gone on chat sites for chats and not ending up having long affairs with marrried men. You married too young to the wrong man for sure but you're in your 50s now so it's not good casting yourself as so unworldly. I'm honestly not saying these things to be harsh or unkind, but I feel like you'd be kinder to yourself ultimately to stop indulging this view of you being helpless and at this guy's age whims. He's staying with his wife and he always was. Find reasons to dislike him (there are plenty) and cut him loose for good. The best thing was that the affair made you leave your DH. See that as positive not a tragedy that you're now bereft without a man. Get counselling for yourself to change how you think about all this and own your life choices then and going forward. It needn't be so bleak.

CrunchingNumbers · 13/04/2024 09:17

I feel for you. You seem to have met a man that 'smelt' your desperation over the internet. He's taken advantage of your sadness and unhappiness and the state of your marriage and led you, willing, into an affair.

Never believe a word a WS says when they are in an affair. They will literally do or say anything to have their needs met. He may or may not be telling some sort of truth about his marriage but you will never know. Tbh it's irrelevant. The great thing about the exit affair is that you are now free to accept a truly loving, adoring man into your life. Good luck and enjoy!

ChampagneNightmares · 13/04/2024 09:31

I know why you don't want to, but you need to cut the other man out of your life. You will never be able to move on while you're still in contact with him and still waiting on him. Block him on everything. Grieve for what you had with him. Have counselling/therapy. Work on yourself. But it is easier to move on if you're not hanging on. Although this other man is different from your ex husband, he is still just as wrong for your as your ex was and you are still wasting your life chasing him.

I sympathise with a lot of what you've said. I wasted half of my life with an absolute fuckwit because back when I was younger my self esteem was shit and I was just glad to have someone. I'm still single. I've made peace with perhaps never finding another partner although I am still looking. But I will always rather be single than waste my time with someone who is wrong for me.

AnnieSF · 13/04/2024 09:46

You cannot be friends with this man. If you do you will never move on from him. If this were to happen he is just holding onto you in a different way for when he fancies a bit of extra marital fun . Don't be his option for when he feels like it. I know that your brain can become altered by this kind of relationship and one day if you walk away you will think " what was I thinking?" Block him and it will get easier over time. He is not your friend.

AlexFleming · 13/04/2024 11:16

I know I can't be friends with him. I know ow I have to let him go. He is genuinely nice to me and has, genuinely, shown guilt for his actions and he was the one who was horrified after our initial meets. I was just infatuated with him like a stupid teenager.

I'm looking for ways out of this that will lessen the grief. I've already said that I've used dating sites but I end up deleting them as it's the same
men and, the ones I do chat to, there is no connection/spark.

I feel hurt by this man. I feel he has strung me along a lot and then he backs off when he realises what he's doing. He has lost
nothing whereas I have lost an awful lot and it has left my life empty and sad.

I guess I just need to learn to live alone. It's hard when it has become obvious that my
marriage wasn't ideal.

OP posts:
CharlieSlowdance · 13/04/2024 11:57

Reading your post I see a sensitive, intelligent woman who's been emotionally neglected and sexually undervalued over a very long period of time. It deserves empathy, such thoughtless treatment can destroy a person. I hope you're doing okay. But please stop romanticising your choice to deceive. In reality, all you are doing is hurting yourself and wasting valuable time as someone's bit on the side. The guy called it off early on and has continued to run hot and cold on you. He's probably waiting for the axe to drop like any cheat, living in fear. He'll have been giving off subtle clues at home, especially after hiding it for so long

Don't waste your life waiting to love someone who's just not there for you. You will never be able to think in a straight line and it'll eventually crush your spirit. Takes years to recover from crap like that. I hope you find the balls to ghost this woman's husband today

olivebranch31 · 13/04/2024 12:22

I don't doubt you have strong feelings for this man but try to view this through the lens of the affair being the first time you were given all the things you were starved of in your marriage. This alone places him on a pedestal with you thinking he's the only one that can give you that - he's not. You got into the wrong relationship young and now you have the opportunity to learn more about yourself, your needs and desires etc. and see what else is out there for you.

BeenThere101 · 13/04/2024 17:21

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CM97 · 16/04/2024 14:47

I feel for you. No judgement from me. I am also 52 and feel I have made similar mistakes, I’m now single after a whirlwind romance with someone for the last year who ended it unexpectedly. It’s tough being in your 50’s and starting out. Hugs x

danitheastrologer · 18/04/2024 19:05

That's a really sad story and I sympathise with you a lot. I think you should be thankful this affair gave you the strength to leave a marriage that you weren't happy in and you would probably be in still if you didn't meet him. I think you need to see this man for what he really is and not the ideal you are projecting on to him: he has done a very bad thing with you, just look at the stories on MN about how devastating affairs are and how they ruin the life of the person being betrayed. Do you really really want to be with someone who can do that to a person they are supposed to love? Would you even trust him if you did get together not to do it with you?
My advice to you would be: you are 52.. you have already lived more than half a life and made some bad decisions when it comes to relationships. Worse than that, you were slow to correct them and wasted precious time being unhappy. Have you learned your lesson? How much more time are you willing to waste? Can you really give any date a fair chance whilst your heart is still tied to this other guy? You have to let go of him. Sounds like you have some money which is great! Hire a good therapist. Take some annual leave and go on a dream holiday. Enjoy your freedom and your money. As you have already found out love comes at the most unexpected time and if it's meant to be it will come again. Good luck with it all x

Seaoftroubles · 19/04/2024 11:20

OP, you have had some really good advice here but the bottom line is that you must go no contact with this man. Block him on everything, it's the only way. All the time you are still in the friend zone you will continue to cling on to the hope that he will choose you and leave his wife, but it's not going to happen.
You are only 52, you have many years ahead, please don't waste your life pining for something that is just a pipe dream. Your next steps should be counselling to help you come to terms with the fact that you have been manipulated by a married man who has picked you up and put you down at will. Don't let this ruin your life and your future happiness.

BillieTheFish · 19/04/2024 11:51

You're not Francesca Johnson and he's not Robert Kincaid. At least Kincaid had the sense to leave her alone whilst he was being a 'peregrine'. This man is just being aa lying cheating arsole. Like the PP above said it's a pipe dream, you need to chart your own course. Manipulative gaslighting twerps like him need an electrified fence around them. Good luck, block him and keep him blocked.

Pinkbonbon · 19/04/2024 12:23

You say you're not getting anywhere with tinder but are you actually meeting people in person?

Know that their doesn't have to be instant chemistry either. Sometimes chemistry grows as you get to know someone. If you get along and find them attractive then that's a good start. Try get a snog in as soon as possible to help you gage chemistry if you're unsure.

I'd actually warn against extreme chemistry early on as often it's thee result of a narcissistic player, sizing you up for lunch. They're gazing at you as if you're thr only woman in the room and you mistake it for adoration. But it isn't.

So read up oh how to spot love bombing.
Doctor ramani on YouTube also makes good videos about how to spot narcissists. Which would be very handy for you to know.

I know you might feel deflated atm but, this is the beginning of your joy, not thr end of it. Now you know there's a whole world of pleasure out there to find and explore. And you have the freedom to do it.

It might be a bad idea but I'd be tempted to go have some fun abroad in Turkey or some place where the waiters are a bit...flirty. Bit of sexual exploration with a young hotting might help with your sexual revolution.

You just need to be sure to leave it behind when you leave and not be conned into being someone's visa ticket. Because you could be very vulnerable to that right now as you are seeking love as well as pleasure.

But a hot fling might be just the ticket to get you over the recent guy.

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