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Do I have to give them another chance?

18 replies

YouveGotAFastCar · 12/04/2024 10:16

I've had a lot of threads about DH's parents. I'm trying to be concise here, but they've got stranger and stranger as they got older. His mum was fine with me until we got engaged... We took them out to dinner to tell them, and she absolutely ignored the news. Stayed stonily silent and changed the conversation after a few minutes.

When we got married, she made the groomsmen late crying to them about how it wasn't the wedding she'd envisioned and she was losing her son, and then left early. They sent us multiple daily messages and asked DH to go to family meetings often to talk about why we were letting them get so old before we made them grandparents. On our honeymoon, MIL called DH all the time and got wider family to send texts saying she was "worried he was dead" when he didn't answer. When we got home, we opened the curtains the next morning to see her standing against the window, because "she needed to see DH."

They didn't seem thrilled at our pregnancy news. They got quite overbearing and his mum was upset we didn't find out what we were having, so we got constant phone calls and texts about why we weren't finding out, and how much it was ruining their experience not to know. When I was in labour, hospital security made DH go downstairs and tell them to go away, as they were trying to get into the ward. They later told us it wasn't the first time they'd shown up... DH almost missed me being airlifted. They called him constantly after they left, even knowing I was in labour. He had 55 missed calls inside two hours.

We kept them more at arms length after that, but they were still strange, turning up when we said we were busy, parking opposite our house to "see" us, leaving flowers outside the door with a card "from" my dead parents. We tried to see them every two weeks or so, but it was very awkward. They don't like DS' name, and MIL couldn't stop mentioning it and suggesting other things. She constantly referenced being disappointed he wasn't a girl. They'd try and put chip in his mouth from 3 months (because he was "hungry"). MIL has a contagious illness but wouldn't not kiss him when it was flared up, so DH used to carry him in a carrier to avoid having to pass him around... but they'd constantly make a big deal over it.

It came to a head when DS was 11 months old, and we went out for lunch with them at a pub to celebrate his birthday. We were 15 minutes late - very annoying, I appreciate, and I kept them fully up-to-date, but we had a nappy emergency - and when we arrived, MIL was already annoyed. She told DH he was an awful son, and DH said he was at the end of his tether and didn't know if the relationship was saveable, but that he was willing to try one last time. She shouted a bit and stormed out, and FIL stayed and argued with us both. In the end, he told us we'd be divorced in no time, and that only me and him had any sense so we should do the talking and keep DH and MIL apart. He then left. It was horrific, pub staff kept coming over to check we were okay (and presumably stop the shouting!) and DS was overwhelmed and baffled. DH took a few days to settle down.

Me and DS haven't seen them since then, with the exception of them turning up on our doorstep once, which ended up in an argument again. DH went to see them in January, and hasn't had the desire to go back since. They've sent presents for DH & DS for various occasions since, and they are all downstairs unopened. DH's choice.

They've started to message DH again about how we need a family meeting to find a way forward that is "acceptable to everyone", because although they acknowledge they went over the top with calls and texts, giving us space only seems to mean they haven't seen us at all, and they'd now like to "get to know" DS. DH has replied to say he'll try and see them soon, but he's busy with a family and a full-time job, and fed up of the constant message strings. He's told me he doesn't want to go.

I'm concerned that he'll fall back into his usual way of keeping the peace, and expect me to allow access to DS. I think they're toxic and nothing good comes of introducing grandparents now, when DS would notice when they disappear again. He doesn't have any grandparents - my parents are dead - so it's not a decision I've taken lightly, but I genuinely think it's the best one.

I also don't want to see them. They make me feel anxious beyond belief. I don't believe they're sorry, they've never told me that they are, and they acknowledged to DH that they knew a lot of what they did was making me uncomfortable but did it anyway.

Do I need to allow this? At what point can I say that we're done, at least until DS is old enough to properly understand?

DH's master plan appears to be that we're exploring moving abroad, and therefore wouldn't see them much because we'd be further away, and MIL doesn't like being hot, so we could probably get by with a week or so a year... but it's not imminent by any stretch.

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VestPantsandSocks · 12/04/2024 10:28

No - you don't need to give them another chance.

They have repeatedly demostrated toxic behaviour and they won't change, so don't engage with them at all and cut out the drama.

I would tell them to stop messaging and then block them.

Dareisayiseethesunshine · 12/04/2024 10:32

Mil treated us badly. 9 years ago. There is no other chance. She isn't messing with ds's head like she did with dh his whole life.

My dc also have no dgps at all. It isn't a disability not having any... Dc are more than fine..

Ladyprehensile · 12/04/2024 10:39

You and DH have been very accommodating. Your PiL are mental, esp your MIL.

Draw the line & don’t look back.

KeepSmiling89 · 12/04/2024 10:41

You don't owe them anything...that was going to be my response until I read the whole story.

Bloody hell - pressing up against your window in the morning. 55 missed calls when you were in labour. Trying to feed your son solids at 3 months old. This is proper harassment! I'd have called the police and shown them the call logs as that's bloody ridiculous!

You definitely don't need these toxic people in your life. Cut ties, move abroad (not a bad suggestion tbh) and live your life how YOU want to.

CrunchingNumbers · 12/04/2024 10:45

They're unhinged, I'd steer well clear. How old are they, out of interest?

Elephantsareace · 12/04/2024 10:46

Good GPs are a blessing in life - I saw this through my own parents with their grandchildren. Bad GPs add nothing but trouble and hurt, so don't worry about your children not knowing them. I didn't know my grandparents (died before I was born) and never missed what I'd never had.

Your poor DH should think hard about very low or non contact. His gut feeling is already sending him that way. You and baby need not being involved if he wants any contact.

They are dreadful people.

HippyCritical · 12/04/2024 10:54

They are beyond fucked up @YouveGotAFastCar , the thing about the flowers supposedly from your dead parents is beyond toxic. No, you absolutely do not have to give them another chance.

They're not going to change. Anything they do or say will be solely to get what they want and that will not end well for any of you. None of you are under any obligation at all about having any contact with them. The fact that you are considering moving abroad to make it easier to avoid them shows just how much influence they have on your DH's thoughts and feelings.

It would be interesting to know what his upbringing was like but it's not really relevant in that I really, really think you should never see either of them again, for all your sakes and sanity Flowers

TheCatterall · 12/04/2024 11:00

Massive gigs @YouveGotAFastCar

No more chances. Dont let this batshittery back in your life and look at restraining orders.

They’ve shown their true colours- protect your DS from them.

having grandparents is nice if they add something to your lives.

having loving, happy, healthy parents with healthy boundaries is better.

You can build a family of your choosing with ‘aunts’ and ‘uncles’ or just close friends.

Janetsmug · 12/04/2024 11:12

No you don't have to give them another chance OP, nor should you. As for how you tackle contact between them and DS with DH if/when he crumbles under their pressure I think this comes under the same category as deciding to have a child, it has to be something both parents want or it doesn't happen.

Serenity45 · 12/04/2024 13:54

I remember your other threads I think OP and I would not be giving any further chances. Their behaviour is so unreasonable and so far outside of what is normal and rational. I don't have a traditional family at all, so not talking from a place of ignorance! They sound like appalling, self obsessed, ignorant and potentially dangerous people. Don't expose your DS to them. - you're right to think that he won't miss what he doesn't have, given his age. But if a relationship was to build up it would be much trickier as he grows up. Fuck that.

Trust your instincts and keep them at arms length (by arms I mean about a million arms).

isitbananatimealready · 12/04/2024 14:00

No. No more chances, no.

You do not have to give toxic people the chance to get back into your life.

Just no. Full stop. Flowers

AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/04/2024 14:29

The writing was on the wall re his parents years ago. No more chances and certainly do not attend any so called family meeting. It will not go well for you both because all they will do is try and browbeat you. If these people are too toxic and otherwise too difficult for you to deal with, it’s the same deal for your child too.

Dispose of their gifts by taking those to a charity shop, do not give these any more power. Such things are often sent as a means of further controlling their targets.

Would your DH be willing to see a therapist re his parents?. He is also mired in the FOG (fear obligation and guilt). He could also read Toxic Parents by Susan Forward.

Dontbeme · 12/04/2024 16:02

leaving flowers outside the door with a card "from" my dead parents

They sent flowers to your home signed from your decreased parents, am I understanding this right? That is downright cruel, there would be no seconds chances from me. I wouldn't want these people near me OP, ever.

Mumofteenandtween · 12/04/2024 16:06

Dontbeme · 12/04/2024 16:02

leaving flowers outside the door with a card "from" my dead parents

They sent flowers to your home signed from your decreased parents, am I understanding this right? That is downright cruel, there would be no seconds chances from me. I wouldn't want these people near me OP, ever.

This.

IHateLegDay · 12/04/2024 16:13

I think the safest thing for you all to do is block their numbers, block them on all social media, set your social media privacy settings to the max and then move house and don't tell any of his family where.
Honestly, they're dangerous and cutting them off like a gangrenous limb is probably the safest thing you could do for yourself and your son.

LeaveTheClocksAlone · 12/04/2024 16:39

Is this a joke? Nobody can be that fucking mental surely

CrunchingNumbers · 12/04/2024 16:44

Wait...the flowers were supposed to have come from your dead parents OP?? Like signed "love from Mavis and Derek" or just "Mum and Dad"?? That's very spiteful.

I'd read it as they (PIL) we're accusing you both of treating them as 'dead' to you.

TheSnowyOwl · 12/04/2024 16:45

I think you have already given them a last chance and then several other last chances since then.

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