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NC father died today

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Hatethisdrama · 17/03/2024 00:32

My father died today, totally unexpected. I have had no contact with him for 18 years or so. He’s an alcoholic, narcissistic abuser. We grew up in a nightmare of domestic violence.

it’s such a weird feeling. I’m torn between anger, hatred, guilt, feeling overwhelmed, regret, sadness, and longing for the type of father he should have been. My kids have never met him.

I have to go to funeral to support my Mum and I feel it might give me closure to finally know he is gone for good. No more dreading bumping into him.

No one prepares you for this moment. It’s known what’s acceptable when you lose a person you love and are close to. No one prepares for this kind of loss…. What are the rules?

I feel sick in my stomach. I don’t know how I should feel or how should act. I’m so overwhelmed right now.

What have others done? It’s stirring up lots of very traumatic memories and I don’t think I can cope with that right now. I need to be strong because I have so much going on in my life right now …. I can’t fall apart… I need to be strong. The timing couldn’t be worse.

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Yoe · 17/03/2024 00:41

i really have little advise for you only this be gentle on yourself hold on and let those who you love support you . Sending you a virtual hug take care of you

Hatethisdrama · 17/03/2024 00:44

Thank you @Yoe

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FreeRider · 17/03/2024 00:46

I am so sorry that you are going through this.

I've been no contact with my father for nearly 35 years and I dread the day I find out he's died...and it's going to be sooner rather than later. I'm 55 now and I often wonder how I'm going to react...like you say, no one prepares you for this.

All I can say is don't feel guilty if you don't feel any of the 'usual' sort of feelings that most people experience when their parent dies. You weren't close to your father so it's understandable your reactions may be different.

First thing I would do is see your doctor and see if they can offer any sort of help to get your through this immediate period.

WatermelonSugarLow · 17/03/2024 00:50

I had a friend in a similar situation not too long ago. They were receiving counselling (for an unrelated matter) at the time their father passed. Their counsellor suggested they visit their father in the chapel of rest and say whatever it is that felt right in the moment. It wasn't a torrent of anger, but an opportunity to release emotion, confusion, ask questions or and simply say words that they'd never been able to before to their father. It was really therapeutic before the actual funeral. It might not be for all but it certainly helped my friend.

mamakoukla · 17/03/2024 00:50

I’m sorry you are going through this. It sounds incredibly difficult. The mixed emotions you describe - maybe mourning the father and relationship you wished for. Mum is lucky to have your support at the funeral.

Give yourself the time and space you need to heal and to grow. The chapter can now be closed. Take good care of yourself 💐

Sunshineandrainbows23 · 17/03/2024 00:51

I'm so sorry to hear about your father and how difficult it is for you right now. I haven't been what you are going through, so I know I can't give you the kind of advice you would like, but I am thinking of you and sending you love and good thoughts. ❤

pizzaHeart · 17/03/2024 01:08

I’m sorry that you are going through this.
Focus on yourself and your today life. Support your mum in terms to be there for her and give her chance to have positive moments with you. Don’t feel that you should grieve somehow specifically or to be sad.
I think the main difficulty is memories flooding over you at the moment, it will get better. I hope you get some closure attending his funeral.

ithinkicanithinkican · 17/03/2024 01:08

I just wanted to say that I can relate, and it's confusing and sad and really hard. My dad died two years ago. But the main emotion I felt, and still feel, is that of freedom. It's over. They can't hurt you anymore. You can heal and move on. There is relief and a lightening in that. I hope you find your freedom too. Wishing you well.

Hatethisdrama · 17/03/2024 01:37

@FreeRider sorry to hear you have mc with your father too. I have played it out in my head so many times too, so I know what you mean. It’s a strange situation to find yourself in but I know deep down I’ll be fine and you will too when the time comes. We’ve survived this long without them in our lives, I’m sure we’ll continue to. It’s just hard at this moment to process it all. Thank you and I hope you’re living a happy in spite of anything that went before.

@WatermelonSugarLow thank you for that advice. It sounds therapeutic but I’m sure I’ll have that opportunity to see him alone. I’ve written a letter ( many years ago ) that I never sent….. I always thought I put it in his coffin but now I’m thinking if burning it and letting go. Thank you for your reply. I’ll have a chat with him in my head if I don’t get the chance to see him alone.

@mamakoukla thank you, yes I can finally maybe move on.

@Sunshineandrainbows23 thank you for the support.

@pizzaHeart yes, I feel the memories are the worst at the moment. I’m a scared 13 year old again and it’s very overwhelming.
I know I’ll be fine but it sucks right now. Thank you.

@ithinkicanithinkican sorry to hear you have been through this. I can already feel moments of relief kicking in. I’m happy for my dm that this day has come and she can finally have true peace of mind but I can tell it’s stirring up disturbing memories for her, even though they’ve been apart 30 years.
Im sure in a week or two we’ll feel that relief and move on.
I know what I’m feeling isn’t true grief….I grieved his loss a long time ago if that makes sense. This is just utter confusion.
Thank you for replying and I’m so glad you’ve found peace.

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Readnotscroll · 17/03/2024 02:51

I lost my father last year. Had largely been NC since teen years but my mum still felt some responsibility towards him so still visited him very occasionally. I brought my children to see him once as it was important to mum, he didn’t show a huge amount of interest. When he was dying I got very involved as I was a nurse and there were some issues with care - all remotely and mainly for my mum. When he eventually died it was strange. I felt q overwhelmed with emotion during the funeral, much more than I expected. I think I felt sad as he was clearly not a well man during my teen years and perhaps an older me might have been kinder. At the same time my childhood was pretty shite because of him. I look upon him more with pity than anger now, he died in a pretty wretched state due to decisions he made.

EcstaticMarmalade · 17/03/2024 03:07

Hello. I went through this. Oddly enough it’ll be seven years ago on Thursday since he died.

I’d been NC with him for a long time. His step daughter got in touch whilst he was dying to let me know but I declined seeing him at that point.

My experience was that it did bring up a lot of stuff, but in a different way. There’s a phrase in trauma work “it’s coming up to go”.

This proved very true for me. For the first time. As stuff came up I felt like I was able to work through it in a way which meant I could lay it to rest.

I also, in time, felt a kind of relief. The hat he would never tear his ugly head and try to invade my life again as he had done so many times.

It has been a long and complicated process, but I really do feel now, that I have managed to heal and integrate so many of the aspects of myself that he damaged.

Like you I also realised that I had done my grieving over my father a long time ago. It was very different from grieving my mum, I lost her eight years prior to my dad. It was in effect a much lighter “grief” experience, more retreading things I’d already done and finally tying them up/closing them down.

However some of the things related to trauma rather than grief /loss came up very strongly, as well, my body and mind felt safe to process them and let them go, rather than holding on the experiences in a way that helped me stay vigilant and keep my guard up.

My advice would be some things like see if you can some therapeutic support. It
could grief counselling with an organisation like Cruse or perhaps therapy counselling of a more general nature to help you work through things.

if you haven’t already found the work of Pete Walker on c-ptsd, I would recommend his books and website as very insightful and healing tools too.

Hatethisdrama · 17/03/2024 20:55

@Readnotscroll so sorry to hear about your experience. My father was an alcoholic too and ended up sad and lonely due to a lot of bad decisions. He was not just an alcoholic but also a complete narcissist. Not pretty.
It’s been a tough day and I actually feel sick…. The stress is overwhelming at times but I know we’ll get through this. It’s just going a rough few weeks.

@EcstaticMarmalade sorry to hear you have been through similar. I’ve never had any type of counselling but I am thinking I definitely need so help to get my head around this. I will definitely look into it.

I’ll look up those books and websites thank you.

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Moonshine5 · 17/03/2024 20:58

I'm sorry you're going through this pain OP I hope you feel better soon

Hatethisdrama · 08/04/2024 09:34

Thank you @Moonshine5, it’s been 3 weeks now and I’m doing ok. I’m very tired and having a lot of unwanted memories resurface but I’m ok.
That sick feeling is still there and I feel I can’t talk about it in RL because people don’t get it. They feel, because I lost contact a long time ago with him, that I’m perfectly fine.
I’d feel a fraud and a hypocrite to tell people how I truly feel.
How can this affect me so much when I had no relationship as such with him?

Thank you for your reply.

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EcstaticMarmalade · 08/04/2024 17:00

@Hatethisdrama I went through similar after my father died. People thought that because he wasn’t part of my life it wasn’t a big thing. To make it worse, DP’s dad was given a terminal diagnosis a few weeks later and anything I was feeling was just swept out of everyone else’s conciousness.

So here’s the thing. I think that whenever a close relative, particularly a parent died, a lot of stuff gets opened up and pulled into focus.

Some of that is general existential stuff like confronting your own mortality, your changing role in life. And if you have a good relationship with your parent, you have a better handle on that. They’ve been a role model, you’ve talked about the deeper side of life and learned from them. You maybe saw what they went through when they lost people. What has happened depends a bit on them and you as people. But they have prepared you for that. You’ve got something to refer to help you deal with it. And however hard it is to deal with it, you’ve got some guidance that has specifically come from them. So you are still reminded of them as you work your way through it and it gives a sense of closeness even in loss. When you don’t have a relationship with them, maybe didn’t for a long time, and maybe there were bad things in there, then what you feel is that big empty yawning hole of the absence of a parent. And that is a feeling you are familiar with, they aren’t there in spirit to comfort you in it and it also feels a lot bigger and final and more endless now. It’s a very unpleasant and painful reminder in all you missed and didn’t have.

Some of it is practical- your changed role as a person, within the family, organising practical things. And a lot of that is difficult, but it keeps you busy and gives you a sense of purpose. And at a time of inevitable change, you have something to change into. So there are well worn and signposted opportunities for growth and action amidst the loss. You can also in some ways take on some of who they were. And you also get the flurry of attention and connection that comes from being around people who have suffered the same loss and you are able to connect with them in new ways and share the pain.

And in a more particular yet philosophical sense, when you are grieving you go through stages. When the parent is in your life those take on a different hue. So if you are in the anger stage of grieving, it doesn’t get muddled up with the anger of being abandoned or abused previously. One of the things that really hit me was that my sadness was really complicated.

By this I mean when at other times I got sad with grief I found it easier to move through, because the sadness reminded me of having lost something beautiful and worthwhile, and that feeling led me back to those beautiful and happy memories. And those memories were a comfort to me in my sadness, both in themselves at the time I felt them and as signpost that it was worth connecting with other people, even if at some point I might lose them, because of the beautiful things and times connection creates. With my dad, not so much. Just another road back to the big empty painful hole of loneliness and abandonment and confusion and loss.

It also made me realised that I had grieved before, earlier in my life, as a child, as an adolescent, as a younger adult. I’d grieved alone, in secret, with no support, no understanding and at least partly at a very young age.

That grieving had been messy and incomplete and had left behind both scars and unhealed wounds that festered. And all that was opened up again. It was incredibly, painful, disorienting and isolating. It was a lot.

But I did get a chance to redo it that grieving. I got a chance to smooth the scars and clean out the old wounds. It was incredibly painful but also incredibly, incredibly freeing. It profoundly changed my relationship to myself and my outlook on life.

It is shit. It is hard. It will be unrecognisable in the other side.

You are not a fraud. You are not a hypocrite. You are someone who has carried unimaginable pain for a long time and you still have the depth, the humanity, the compassion and the heart to feel. Do not think badly of yourself, do not be hard on yourself. That you can go through all that for so long and still be alive inside is a testament to how amazing you are.

Hatethisdrama · 08/04/2024 17:57

@EcstaticMarmalade thank you so much for your reply and sharing your experience. I’m sorry that you found yourself in a similar situation to myself.

Yes, I think that’s it, I have no good memories to look back on and get comfort from or to even balance out the bad ones. Everything I read says to remember the good times but what happens when they’re were no good times, no happy memories, no loving words ever! What happens then, as you say, old festered sounds are opened and everything seems raw again. It hurts, it’s painful and I can’t grieve this openly as no one understands. I feel like screaming and shouting but here I am cooking dinner!

I truly hope it’ll get easier. I never imagined it like this, so bleak and painful. I thought I’d just feel nothing or relieved but I don’t. I’m sad, hurt and angry!

Thank you again for your reply, it helps a lot.

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