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If you married a good guy but quite passive in terms of dealing problems, please come in and tell me how to make it work

37 replies

thebiggestrantingcompetition · 05/03/2024 13:52

I do like to draw a line first:
I'm not going to divorce him (hopefully don't have to in future!)
I'm not going for counselling - because my fear is that it could end everything, then it's against my first point above.
The stake is too high for everyone involved, so I'm not seeking for separation unless one day there's nothing else can be done to make it work.
I'm not happy, but not overly depressed about the whole marriage. But resentments do build up and I still think there's hope to keep it going, even though I'm just reaching 60%-70% of my happiness meter.

So please, if you want to post anything, make sure it's not about to separate. I need advice on how to work on each problem.

First, the usual - chores.

Before I quit my job to look after our young child, he was doing dishwashers and cooked some evenings. But it has been a few years, since I'm not working and he's working full time, it's all my work. Everything, two children, him and myself to take care of. He does do school runs in the mornings and pass the shop for groceries when needed. But that's it. I now try hard to be fair to him to think if there's anything else he's involved. No.

His role is at "director" level (typical, right?). So his perspective is that his work is very mentally demanding and he's tired by end of the day. I confess, I haven't complained too much, just because of the same reason. If I "ask" him to do something, he would, but just never volunteered to do so. Day in and day out, chasing the piles of laundry - washing, drying, shifting the old load to make space for the new load, folding, putting away into each person's room. It's never ending and nobody in the house lifting a finger to help. If the clothes pile in one corner of the lounge, nobody would think "oh, maybe I can offer some help". Instead, each pops up questions like "I run out of underpant/socks/hoodie/gym clothes". The children are still young, excusable. But as an adult, he never had a second thought that he shall feel ashamed. (Obviously not, right?)

Piled on with all the tedious everyday chores (I hate them all) and other house related maintenance tasks (big ones), it always ended up to be me who have to call tradesmen to come in to fix anything. Because, of courses, he's too busy! Over years, you talk to him about any problem, he'd comment on it and then as if that's all what's needed for him to do.

Do men really think women like to do chores and are all capable to just shoulder everything all by themselves? It's typical, right? But it generates so much resentments, for years and years onwards.

I want to be fair, taking into account his perspective about work. But certainly, there must be a balance somehow. If you don't work full time, can you share some tips how to balance this typical household quarrel point? What do you expect your husband to take on? Or any advice to give to reduce my resentment?

Secondly, mental health and general heath.

Because I'm reaching the age of perimenopause, a lot of health issue flared up in the past year. Being at home not working doesn't help either, physically or mentally. I started looking for job, but it looks going to take much longer than I thought. I went to the leisure centre today to sign up for membership so to force myself being active and improve fitness.

The thing is, I was so distressed with all sort of health issues since last year. I felt so miserable and I completely lose control and cried quite a few times in front of him. But for him, again, passively he'd comfort me a bit at that moment and maybe ask how I felt the second day. But that's it, as if all the distress that made me miserable just disappeared once I calmed down. He would not remember ask me again or do anything extra until my next outburst.

Is this really normal for guys? Compounded with the resentments built up about the chores, I just doubt what my true value is to be in front of him. Housekeeper at best!

Lastly, which is probably the source of lots of other problems: He doesn't crave intimacy and we haven't had sex for years. This includes body contact. Unless I put myself forward, there's no body contact at all. This would have killed the marriage given any other ordinary female years ago. I carried on, because he's a good man and I do care about what we have together.

Given my age, I probably can settle on the idea that there's no more (life is short, I know. But my compass for a well balanced life is more than sex.)

But without even the basic physical connect, overtime, I lose my self-esteem. I don't see myself as a woman anymore. In some way, I started thinking it made me behave in an awkward way to dissuade any intimacy - the shame, the embarrassment and the resentment.

A rare few times, when we went out alone without the children, I felt really uncomfortable and awkward. I don't know if between other couples it's the same, but between us the topics are mainly about the kids, about the household stuff, about other people, about news. Do long married couple talk about yourselves much at all? What do you talk about?

I feel this part of all the problems is the one with a dead end. Maybe only a third party like a counsellor getting involved to give advice can make a difference, as it's such a difficult topic. I doubt he will ever do better, as it's not in his nature (he grew up without any closeness to anyone including his family).

Gosh, such a long rant! Sorry!

If you have any good suggestion for me to self reflect or for us as a couple to work out a solution, I'd really be grateful.

Again, I don't want to divorce him. I do care about him and there's way too much at stake too. Separation doesn't necessarily bring happiness after. He's really a good man in nature, but just can't see/feel from my perspective, no matter how hard I tried to communicate...

OP posts:
hollyandivyknickers · 06/03/2024 11:45

I mean, I know you don’t want to spilt and all but I can honestly say that your life would be my living hell and I would rather be dead that live like you are. So you have the kids and errrrrrr nothing.

sorry that is super harsh but you appear to have forgotten how to live

thebiggestrantingcompetition · 06/03/2024 12:16

sigh... @Dery , we are equal in terms of financial contribution. My earlier post mentioned I received a large inheritance before DC2 was born. All in one pot.

And I didn't refuse to pull weight in housework. It's the mindset of his not needing to be bothered with anything hurtful. And he's not good at it and never had the habit of doing chores. It was a bit like this before I left my work.

I'm not good at it either, but I do what I can and research whenever I needed. I stopped even asking him for heavy duty or the usual man's tasks. It's frustrating to relying on him when then nothing happens for ages. Much faster just doing them all by myself - then off the list. The resentment does build up when occasions like I had to carry a heap of tress branches trimmed off from above the shed into the car to recycling centre all by myself. All the heavy liftings tasks as long as I could. It hurts being taken for granted - all my job, not a finger from him to lift with a comfortable and fulfilled life.

Why do men stop caring for their wife? Do wives like me deserve it? What's their logic behind that's being justified obviously? More important job? He's working from home, 10-6, ffs!

OP posts:
QforCucumber · 06/03/2024 12:27

There's more to life than this you know?
and you deserve the 'more'

You also keep asking if this is just 'men' and excising his behaviour because he is male and you need to stop.

I also picked up that after YOU'VE done bedtime with the kids, does he never put them to bed? Just because he works that doesn't make him not a father.

Firstly - put into works what do you think WOULD make you happier?

It's never ending and nobody in the house lifting a finger to help reference this - your oldest is now 11/12 yes? Why are they not putting away their own laundry? Helping with meals? tidying their own room, Mine are 8 and 4 and their clothes get putting a pile on their beds - I help the little but big does his himself. Stop doing everything for everyone and teach them to do it for themselves.

Everyday chores - hire a cleaner, its why your DH works 'so hard' right, to give you all a good life. Outsource some of it.

Do men really think women like to do chores and are all capable to just shoulder everything all by themselves? Mine doesn't, because I make it known that I don't enjoy it and don't do any of it for fun, I don't just silently seethe at him building more and more resentment.

You are probably only around halfway though life, do you WANT to settle for the 2nd half being completely sexless? I know I wouldn't personally. Does he never complement you, hug you, kiss you? Even without the sex those close moments of intimacy are what I personally wouldn't be able to live without in a relationship.

We are 13 years into our relationship, with 2 small (ish) children, we don't talk much about anything else but them when we go out together (once every couple of months or so), but we do both work, and we go out individually with our own friends on a regular basis and so have conversations outside of each other a lot too - I believe this is what you are missing, friendship, a life for yourself, something outside of being 'mum' and 'wife'

iamawarriorwhojustcrieseasily · 06/03/2024 12:48

Similar to my husband, who I have had to accept similar things and work to overcome how I felt about them, instead of expecting he will ever change. He is the most wonderful father, a kind caring and funny funny man. He is my best friend. But he is useless at remembering anything. He is not organized at all, and forgets that " everything being ok" is dependant on us making it so, and don't get me started on house, diy, financial management and meeting his own health and well being needs let alone mine!

Here's how I manage, because I wouldn't swap him and his many redeeming features for the world.

I tell him what I need and when. I write a lot of lists!

I don't rely on him for my own well-being, wether that be physical, mental, or social. This ensures I'm not upset about him missing anything.

We are both very independent. I do me and he does him. Parenting is 50/50. We take a day out of each week to spend as a family. ( We both work full time )

Sexual side of things I have to communicate, and again, tell him what I need to feel fulfilled.

If you can pay for the things he doesn't do and struggling with it, then pay for it done. ( Cleaner, gardener etc etc )

I don't imagine what he is thinking, or that he takes me for granted. I do imagine though that he is actually very proud of me and how much I carry including the mental load, and I'm so very proud of him for how hard he works, and how much he does get done in a day, as long as he has his list!!!

Hope that helps 😊

123sunshine · 06/03/2024 13:31

I think all of it is Ok apart from the lack of intamacy. That is where your marriage has gone wrong and honestly I'm not sure if there is any going back from that. He's got a big job at director level and you don't work, when i've been in those shoes I did all the domestic stuff (though like you resented it and didn't enjoy it) incidently in those years I lost a large part of myself, my self confidence and self worth, you are at the back of the pile being mother and wife and general dogsbody. My marriage didn't survive what you describe, it was terrifying at the time, but I now run a succcessful professional business and have remarried. I still carry a ot of the domestic load along with running a business, that isn't ideal but in all other areas my remarriage has been a good one (no marriage is perfect).
I would just focus on you, that's all you can control and change. Try and get back into work, develop your interests and hobbies and find some stimulation away from the home.

catsnore · 06/03/2024 13:51

I think the thing that works best for me is saying to my OH stuff like "do you want to tidy up or do bath time?" So there is an expectation that this stuff needs doing and everyone is going to do it. Over the years we have spit the chores between us and some jobs ended up being his and some are mine. It's not totally equal but it's getting there. Whoever cooks - the other person washes up. I put one child to bed, he puts the other one. No way would he sit there chilling while I scurried round doing all the jobs!!!!!!

TwistedAdmin · 06/03/2024 14:55

thebiggestrantingcompetition · 06/03/2024 11:05

@TwistedAdmin , it may not be your experience, as all people involved are different. But see my earlier post about "recognition". And I don't think I'm wrong it's a common issue for couples being married for years. Housework sucks life out of a person. They are tedious, soul numbing and never ending.

Btw, I don't really feel guilty financially (that's probably part of the reason why I didn't push myself hard enough to go back to work). My parents had given me a great part of my inheritance before my younger one was born. So, no, I don't own him financially. But, yes, the money is all in one pot now. And we've been paying massively into his pension, but not much in mine, because my tax rate is much lower.

Edited

I think you misread my post; i'm all too aware that chores are soulsucking, i do them!

Dery · 06/03/2024 15:33

@thebiggestrantingcompetition - sorry, I missed the point about your inheritance.

But unless your parents have given you a vast sum (perhaps they have), wouldn’t you prefer to keep that intact and use it for major purchases rather than live off it (or perhaps I have misunderstood again)? After all, his salary replenishes itself every month whereas your inheritance presumably just decreases, unless you’re able to live off the interest.

It’s worrying that large sums are going into your DH’s pension but not yours especially in a marriage so lacking in intimacy and therefore lacking in glue. Because, no: not all men are like your DH and not all wives and mothers lose themselves to the extent you have. Time to find yourself again, OP!

SwordToFlamethrower · 06/03/2024 16:19

As kindly as I can be, I really feel you're a mug for staying with a man that doesn't give a shiny shilling about your workload or your health or your intimacy needs.

But sure, he's a "lovely guy" who "works hard".

What, don't you work hard all day too, managing children, a husband and a household? Is the only work that counts the type that is renumerated? Paid work?

Your standards are in the gutter. I'm sorry you feel like he is a keeper.

What do you want people to suggest? Get a housekeeper? Get an emotional support dog? Buy a really good quality hitachi vibrator?

I would write a job description for yourself, then the hours you work each week, then workout your hourly rate and invoice your husband for it. Maybe then you can have some self respect and get some from your husband too.

Your husband is the problem and nothing really is going to change without action. So you might as well use some of that lovely money he earns to meet your needs.

Best of luck.

Seaoftroubles · 06/03/2024 16:45

I agree with @Dery. If your children are all at school now and you are a SAHM then the house and the domestic side of things should be your responsibility. However, if you are looking for work then you need to have a clear idea about how the household chores will be fairly managed in the future.
I agree you need to spend time finding a new identity for yourself post just being a housewife and mum. The leisure cente sound a good place to begin but maybe add in some volunteering to get you out into the wider community and help you gain some confidence. If you've been low and felt anxious and depressed then some counselling would be worth thinking about too.

Chomping · 06/03/2024 17:37

You sound depleted.

That’s not surprising given the absence of basic emotional nourishment, kindness, respect, mutuality and reciprocity from your DH.

Thats no way to live.

kkloo · 06/03/2024 23:29

He actually sounds awful.

What's good about him? That he doesn't shout or cheat?

He's just sitting there passively watching family life going on around him. The only thing he does is his job which he would be doing anyway even if he wasn't with you. You contribute financially equally also. He really does have it very easy.

Complete disinterest in your health, mental health, what support will he be if you feel worse during menopause or later in life?

As for the lack of intimacy, that won't change, and while some marriages survive without it your marriage seems to be lacking in all other areas too so I can't see how this will hold together forever.

I'm stunned you're even managing to reach 60-70% on the happiness meter!

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