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Doubt is stopping me leaving

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ReindeerLamp · 05/03/2024 10:06

I'm sorry if this is long, I don't want to leave anything vital out and also want to get my thoughts out in the hope it'll help.

I've been with my husband 9 years. 2 kids 7 and 4. Married 6 years. Both work full time on a similar wage.

I've not been happy for a while, we had some counselling and there was a slight improvement in that I thought we could move forward. But although I think I could muddle through for now, what worries me is that I'll get to some point in the future and realise I've wasted my life being unhappy.

What makes me unhappy:
--I feel like a shadow of my former self. I have nothing unique about me. I rarely laugh - certainly not with my husband. I'm just a shell. A Mum and wife that's plodding through life.
--While there has been some improvements my husband is incredibly lazy and the burden of everything falls to me - the mental load almost entirely. He will tidy up now, if I am or if I ask him to specifically do something, but would rarely use his own initiative. He also does it grumpily, which makes me not want to ask him. Not to mention his tidying is actually shoving stuff out of sight, rarely in the right places so this actually makes things harder for me.
--He talks me out of any ideas I have - anything to do with the house, days out, holidays etc. He'd happily just sit in front of the TV forever with kids in front of screens. It's a battle to get him to do anything, and if/when I do push it's hit or miss whether he'll enjoy it or be grumpy the whole time.
I do stuff on my own with the kids, so the rest of us don't miss out. But even then I find myself not telling him my plans as he'll try to talk me out of it.
--he has quite an aggressive tone. I think it's got worse, he says he's always been the same. I won't tolerate it with me or the kids and am constantly pulling him up on it. But it's often, and he's quick to anger. Though it's worth noting that he's totally non violent. But his words can hurt, and he's OTT for the situation.
--I don't want sex. The more he asks the more it puts me off. We've covered this in counselling but there's been no improvement. I want to want it, I just don't. Its not bad when we do it, I just have no desire. Probably because I'm unhappy!
--His work always feels like his priority. Obviously it's important as we need the money, but it often feels unnecessary. His job is not that important. E.g. last week was our youngests birthday and he had to work overnight (kind of unavoidable, though with some forward planning could have been avoided). He said he'd leave the house at 8.15am, but as long as he was at work by 11.30 it didn't really matter what time he left (so really could stay home with her until 9.30). He left for work at 7.45am. And then didn't see her until the following evening.
-- I'm the default parent. He'll discipline them (in ways I don't necessarily agree with, too much shouting and threatening to throw toys away - but it's still involvement), but other than that there isn't much involvement. I can go out and he'll look after then fine, but he'd never take them out or do anything with them. They'll eat mcdonalds, or he'll ask me what they're eating. He might cook super noodles or make a sandwich. He expects them to sit on tablets or in front of the TV and gets fed up that they're not quiet. He doesn't keep track of clubs, school etc. You get the picture. He loves them and they're not neglected, but he's not a great parent. It's on me and its exhausting.

I haven't painted him in a good light. I will try to explain why I feel so much doubt over leaving:

-- I know these early years with young children are hard. Maybe things will improve.
-- he's loyal and he loves me and the kids.
-- it would totally break his heart if we split. I worry about what his life would be like.
-- he's shown me he is prepared to change and improve, although it's slow change but it is the right direction.
-- I did love him once, maybe I could again.
-- it's such a massive decision. If its the wrong one there's no going back.
-- I love his family. I get on better with them than he does but they're his, and if it comes to it they will choose him. I have no doubt about this. If they can they'll keep a good relationship with me, but it'll never be the same.

I'm resentful over:
--finances. He has doubled his salary since we met, mine has recently dropped as I took a step down. While I did want the change, it's because life is so overwhelming. If he'd stepped up I might not have needed it.
--finances (again). I brought more to the relationship and he'd walk away with half. I could JUST afford the house on my own, but not if I had to buy him out. The house deposit was 100% from the sale of my flat. I feel like a fool. I even have personal savings (shares etc) that don't total loads but he's had the same opportunity but wastes his money.
--giving up time with the kids. I don't mean day to day, the break would actually be nice. But special occasions. He doesn't do anything to make occasions special, yet he'd get that time with them.

Sorry its so long. In an ideal world we'd work this out. I'd love to be happy, for things to work out.
But I can't see a happy life. I want to get out and do stuff. To make decisions about my life and the house. To take the kids on cool adventures. I can't see that life with him.

How do I make the decision? Can the relationship be salvaged? Is it fair to ask for that much change?

The doubt just won't go away.

OP posts:
CaD14 · 05/03/2024 11:13

I have no advice, as I feel like I could have written this myself, but just dropping you a message you say I hear you and fully understand how you feel. Sending you hugs x

ReindeerLamp · 05/03/2024 21:12

CaD14 · 05/03/2024 11:13

I have no advice, as I feel like I could have written this myself, but just dropping you a message you say I hear you and fully understand how you feel. Sending you hugs x

Do you think you'll leave him? Have you considered it?

Mine is away occasionally for work, and although the house can be a bit chaotic and a total mess (it always seems to coincide with a lot going on!) I'm more relaxed without him. That can't be a good sign.

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Roo84 · 05/03/2024 23:24

OP I could have written this post. Very similar family dynamic and situations

Unfortunately me and my DH have just decided to to separate after 11 years and 2 DC. The resentment I had towards him which had built over the years in the end caused a very unpleasant home environment, with far too many arguments and bad feeling, and it just became too much.

He left the family home 6 weeks ago and has decided not to return. We told the children at the weekend.

It has been heartbreaking, and I know it's early days but now I am over the initial sadness I actually feel quite relieved and am optimistic about the future. Yes I miss him in some ways, but I feel less stressed and calm in my own home.

channellingmoirarose · 05/03/2024 23:35

Was the house deposit protected?

Would a separation be an option? Give you both some space?

ReindeerLamp · 06/03/2024 07:57

channellingmoirarose · 05/03/2024 23:35

Was the house deposit protected?

Would a separation be an option? Give you both some space?

No, it wasn't. I'm not sure that would have even been an option given we were married before we bought the house - lived together in my flat before that.

There's an outside chance that he'd agree to me keeping the deposit, but I doubt it would help much. We've also done quite a bit of work to the house that would increase value - also funded by my flat sale. It would get messy.
We could sell and downsize, but the interest rate increases would probably make that impossible too.

Even working that aspect out, the finality of it still makes the decision feel impossible.

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Pumpkinpie1 · 06/03/2024 09:16

In many ways OP you are already living like a single parent.
He contributes financially but not in terms of household , caring responsibilities and parenting and any mental or physical load!
You’ve tried marriage counselling but he still reverts back to type and is making you miserable.
I think visiting a divorce lawyer and getting some legal advice would make sense. You put a great deal into this house financially and need to understand your rights. Take as much information as you can re pensions etc.
Get your house valued , you don’t have to tell him what you are doing .
Are you able to increase your hours at work, look at wrap around before after school care?
You sound very miserable. You’ve tried to make this marriage work emphasis on you ! It isn’t !

Can you really stand to be with this man for the rest of your life?
Ducks in a row OP! Ducks in a row ! X

QueenBakingBee · 06/03/2024 10:05

OP this sounds like my marriage. In the end it ended because there was no love left. For me it was scary. I didn't know what the future would look like, but you know what, I knew what it would be like if I stayed. This wasn't a decision I took lightly - I'd had many many conversations with him about how unhappy I was and what I needed from him. He's 'change' for a week or so, then slide right back.

If it helps, my ex now has stepped up to being a parent, because he had to! He finally learnt and it was partly because I wasn't there to do everything. We started with EOW, then moved to 3 on 3 off, then 50/50.

What helped me feel less scared at the time was to have a chat with a legal person and a counsellor - this was done very quickly through my employer's employee assistance helpline. Might be worth you accessing support if your employer has it?

ReindeerLamp · 06/03/2024 11:03

QueenBakingBee · 06/03/2024 10:05

OP this sounds like my marriage. In the end it ended because there was no love left. For me it was scary. I didn't know what the future would look like, but you know what, I knew what it would be like if I stayed. This wasn't a decision I took lightly - I'd had many many conversations with him about how unhappy I was and what I needed from him. He's 'change' for a week or so, then slide right back.

If it helps, my ex now has stepped up to being a parent, because he had to! He finally learnt and it was partly because I wasn't there to do everything. We started with EOW, then moved to 3 on 3 off, then 50/50.

What helped me feel less scared at the time was to have a chat with a legal person and a counsellor - this was done very quickly through my employer's employee assistance helpline. Might be worth you accessing support if your employer has it?

Excellent suggestion - I think I probably do have company support

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ReindeerLamp · 15/03/2024 20:51

I didn't want to start a new thread, but my apologies for adding to this.

I've kind of had an epiphany tonight. It's not doubt that keeps me here. It's the house. That sounds totally insane now I've written it. It is insane.
But the thought of having to move and uproot the kids from the home they love (particularly the eldest who wouldn't cope well) is really what is stopping me.

After an incident tonight (which is not isolated), that I have a different thread about in another username as it's very outing if he happened to read it, it's dawned on me that there needs to be a drastic change. And soon.

I'm daydreaming of the life I could live without him - I could make decisions about my home, about dinner, about holidays with the kids, without someone telling me no all the time. Without having to consider his opinion, because to be honest - he doesn't really consider mine.

I want adventure. I want to give the kids the childhood they deserve, that they'll look back on and want to give to their kids. I want to be happy.

We have about £8-10k savings. I think we need to use a consierable chunk of this for some decent marriage counselling as a last ditch attempt to save things. It'll be cheaper than divorce.

I believe he'll be willing to work on things. I'm not convinced it's fair to ask him to change to the extent that's needed - but that's his decision. Maybe we're just not compatible.

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EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 15/03/2024 21:43

Before anything else, go and see a solicitor. It's entirely possible you would be in a much better financial position than you think. You're currently making decisions based on no knowledge, just worst case scenario guesswork. Get informed, then work out what you want, then work out how to get it.

ReindeerLamp · 15/03/2024 21:50

@EvenMoreFuriousVexation

Thank you. It makes me sad to even think about taking this step, but you are right.

The other thing that pisses me off...if we did have to split 50/50, he'll inherit a not insignificant amount from his parents, while mine have nothing! I know he'll be sad when it happens (as will I). But our financial positions would be vastly different.

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