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I'm stuck

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houseonthecorner · 03/03/2024 18:33

This is going to be long so forgive me.

I found out just before lockdown that DH was having an emotional affair with a woman half his age at work. I found out the day they went out to lunch together. He'd been distant and cruel to me for about 3 months. Making me feel like I was crazy, asking if something was wrong with us as I knew there was but he misted there wasn't. Making me feel like I was crazy.

Then we went from a family where I worked a few days a week and he worked FT so I never had him at home to him WFH all day, everyday. He's back in the office half the week now but I've got myself a job where I'm at least a bit more financially independent.

They'd supposed to have met up previously but one of our children was taken into hospital and was in ICU so it didn't happen. He was sitting at DCs bedside apologising for not being able to make it.

He'd told me he was lonely, depressed and suicidal so needed to reconnect with friends. You can guess what that was cover for. I was blindsided and absolutely shattered that he felt so bad when I thought our life was lovely. We don't struggle financially, the kids are happy and up until that point healthy

I think he was fucking deluded, a young woman showed him attention and he lapped it up. I asked him what he thought she'd want with a 50 year old man with ED and DCs and one that after the divorce wouldn't financially look like such a great prospect, as well as having had a vasectomy so there'd be no babies for her,

He's suffered with ED and PE all his life and we'd finally after 15 years together seen a therapist and got over it. For a couple of months I literally felt alive. Like I thought other women felt when in fulfilling relationships. I thought we had finally got over his issues and we were good.

At one really awful point when he had his back to me in bed and was grumpy I said was it because we hadn't had sex and although I felt awful with his cruelty I told him to just do it. There was no hint of his ED but I felt like a piece of meat. I could have been anyone. I really think that it was her he was thinking about, I felt disgusted and ashamed.

Anyway, after lots of turmoil we decided to give it another go. It was hard. I'm a bit of a people pleaser and have had a less than perfect upbringing. I spent a lot of time and energy, to my detriment, trying to make the perfect home and allow our children and him to have easy lives. Maybe this was one of the reasons he cheated. I was constantly shattered from trying to make everything perfect, trying to make him happy when in reality he was a miserable sod who thought his life was shit.

Anyway, he changed, he smiles more readily, gets joy from things now and is like a different man but destroying me in the process. I no longer care so much about making things perfect and I take time for myself and don't really focus on him at all.

The ED came back afterwards and I told him to see someone. Do something about it and found out a few weeks later he'd been speaking to a 'therapist' who you didn't just talk to. She touched you too, although you weren't allowed to touch her. When I found out he said I'd told him to seek help and before anything happened she'd want to speak to me and I could even be there to watch. She was again half his age and absolutely stunning. Lots of semi naked photos on her website. It was like him cheating all over again and just typing this I feel sick. She was basically a glorified sex worker.

If you met. Him you'd be surprised he wasn't the lovely, kind, doting husband he comes across as. Everyone thought I was so lucky. I'd never told anyone about the sexual problems as I was embarrassed and didn't want people to look at him differently.

Me, you'd think I was super strong and resilient, I've never had a choice not to be but the energy to keep that up is so huge.

He's had other therapy since and is now able to get and maintain an erection through some sort of injection. Although PE is still an issue but the sex for me is awful. I'm waiting for him to come knowing it'll be quick, I'm not even present. I think about everything but and I don't think we'll recapture that feeling when things were working and I felt like my life had finally become great. He can't read sexual cues and it all revolves around PIV and thrusting and kissing. I could be anyone or anything although he says he'd rather I enjoy it than him,

Anyway. I'm stuck. I have periods where I like him, I've told him I love him since but it'll never be how I did before. I feel duped by him, like he pretended to be a good man when this cruelty was always there, he'd just never shown it. I have times where I want to be normal, go back to ignoring the crap sex and just being friends and other times like now where I can't abide being in the same room as him.

I'm having therapy to try to get to the stage where I'm in the right place to make a decision as to whether we can salvage this but it involves digging into my childhood and I'm not sure I'm strong enough for it. My childhood was very difficult and I've been NC for years as to protect my DCs from the pain and to be able to hold it together myself. I'm not sure what digging into that will do to me.

Sorry, all a bit disjointed. I just can't speak to my friends about this without outing his problems, which I'm embarrassed about. My friends know about the affair and were incredibly supportive but I think they all think I'm over it now.

I don't know what I want from writing this. I expect lots of LTB but I can't picture myself in another life. Holding hands with someone else. Someone else's quirks and smell. I loved him so so much or maybe I didn't and he was just nicer to me than anyone else I'd met. I don't know.

OP posts:
oldestboy · 03/03/2024 18:41

He’s had an affair. You think he’s thinking about someone else when he’s having sex with you. This isn’t love. I’d be bubbling with fury.

Keep on with the therapy, brighter days are ahead without this kind of burden. A different life could be better. The therapy will probably want to explore why you think this is love and where accepting his bullshit comes from, and while difficult that might help you see that this isn’t a healthy way to be. We don’t always want what’s good for us.

Pinkbonbon · 03/03/2024 19:12

Why do you need to picture yourself with someone else? Thats like step 100 when you've not even taken one step. Other men aren't relevant because you've still got this...sorry, but, utter bloodsucking life stealer on your back.

This guy has zero loyalty and frankly is fucking grim. Would you ever coerce someone into sex who clearly doesn't want or enjoy it? Of course not. You're not a disgusting sleaze.

He is though.

I hear this question when I read your post 'how do I suck it up and tolerate it?'. I think you've been asking yourself that for so long you've forgotten there is an alternative...or perhaps you are scared the alternative might be worse.

What could be worse than spending your life with someone who doesn't care about you? And make no mistake - he doesn't care about you. Im sorry but you have to finally accept this. You also have to accept that it's not your fault. And that there's noting you can change about YOU to 'fix' HIM.

He's a rotten apple in a barrel and the rot is spreading. Stop trying to save the apple. Get it out before you lose everything. And by everything you don't mean your life. I mean everything that makes you, you.

Even if you left and were single perminantly afterwards (which is unlikely) that's hardly the worst thing that can happen. The worst thing js staying while the rot spreads...while you slowly lose every bit of yourself piece by piece. Until there's nothing of you left. Only the rot.

Cut him out.

Be free of him where you can breathe again. Where your life is your own again. Sometimes you might be lonely ...but there's nothing more lonely than a marriage to a prick like him. And it's far better in comparison to the alternative of losing yourself in a dark barrel that you can never crawl out from.

AlloftheTime · 03/03/2024 19:24

Please consider using the therapy to investigate your childhood. It’s scary and might be tough but not as tough as being drained by this man. I do know how much easier it is to ‘leave things lie’ as in not to disturb the past. Believe me your past is disturbing you in some way each day. You are strong enough - you have been through so much and you are still standing and looking for answers.

I wish you all the best

houseonthecorner · 03/03/2024 19:50

Thank you for replying. That's a lot to digest. It's made me cry thinking I've lived most of my life not knowing true love. So much to think about from your posts and it's uncomfortable facing up to the fact just how unpleasant he is.

I think we were 2 damaged people who found each other and maybe thought it was love. I didn't question it until he did what he did.
Another partner wouldn't be my first priority, (although he says I wouldn't be single for long but I think he means that there would be interest rather than I'd go out looking or jump into bed with someone) rather getting the DCs settled and happy and healing myself. I always think it's not good to date if one or both of you are damaged. Sadly I buried my pain and muddled through believing as it wasn't affecting me day to day that I was perhaps healed.

The therapy is going to continue, other than here it's the only place I can be honest.

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evrey · 03/03/2024 19:57

He sounds like a narcissist. I'm married to one and it's pure hell. Google narcissistic personality see what you find.

Pinkbonbon · 03/03/2024 20:08

But true love should feel easy. It shouldn't be hell on earth.

Besides, you have kids you love right? I hear that's a pretty powerful kind of love.

When I hear people talk about true love I also wonder do they also want peace? Joy? Kindness?

And do they also want self love?

Why are any of those things less important than some fairtlytale love stor And...wouldn't true live include those things anyway?

I'd like to think love makes us the best form of ourselves.

This guy, doesnt.
He isn't it.

Catoo · 03/03/2024 20:08

OP I’m a bit confused about the timeline.
Did he finally get help for the ED when he started the EA?

If so, that would be it for me.

Is he still being cruel?

Sounds like you are done to be honest. You don’t have to think about someone else, just finding your own path in life away from him. Surely you fell in love with someone else, not the man he is today.

When you can face it, do consider that therapy or maybe some lighter life coaching for now?
💐

houseonthecorner · 03/03/2024 20:21

I don't think I know what proper adult love is in a relationship to be honest. I think I thought what we had was love. I'm not sure now. I think it probably wasn't and it makes me very sad.

He started the EA after he got help and things sexually were better for a brief time. He has mentioned that maybe he felt like he wanted the things he didn't have with others because of the ED was a lifelong thing and he'd never had a proper relationship. So when we got it sorted I just wasn't enough. Briefly when it was sorted before he started his fling I felt in top of the world, like we'd got to where we were supposed to be.

I guess it and me just wasn't enough for him.

He's apologetic, has done a lot to mitigate what he did and is a better person but I can't let go of the pain and the anger and sadness.

You're all right though, he's not nice. No matter how much he tries now he'll always have that in him, we can't take away what he has done.

It's heart stopping thinking how much life will change. The only stability I've ever had taken away from me because it'll be me making that choice.

Thank you for your words. They mean a lot that you've all taken the time to reply and it's helping me reflect on what I want and need in my life. I'm need not to be in this place but I think I'll have to do the therapy and facing up to my demons to be strong enough eventually to break away. My poor DCs too, they'll be heartbroken. One if them knew about the affair, they were older and twigged that something was wrong. One knew I was sad as they kept asking me why I was sad and asking him what he was making me sad. The little one is more sensitive now and gets upset easily if they think I'm upset and can be quite clingy which I think is a result if the huge disruption in their little life. I know if we split it will be hard on them but I don't think it'll be harder than having a mother who is half existing.

Sorry to go on. It sounds very me me me. But I've no where else to talk about it without embarrassing myself and to a degree him. What would my friends think of what I've put up with whilst they've gone about their normal happy sex lives. It's so humiliating.

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Advicediddlyice · 03/03/2024 20:26

Oh op I’m so sorry. I have a DH who everyone thinks is lovely and he is lovely to friends and strangers. At home though he’s low, grumpy and shouty much of the time. Like you I switch between how I feel. I think I’d be happy if I got the version of him
everyone else get, but I don’t. He barely bothers except for sex. Your description of feeling like a piece of meat who could be anyone really resonated with me. I’ve come to the conclusion that as long as my DH gets sex he’s happy…I don’t think he really cares about me. I dunno what I’ll do, I feel stuck like you. I want it to work out but I suspect it won’t and I
imagine it will all fall apart when the kids leave home and we have nothing left in common

houseonthecorner · 03/03/2024 20:51

Advicediddlyice I'm sorry you're stuck too. It's like being in a film where everything is happening around you but you're not moving forward. I wish I could give you an unmusnetty hug.

They seem to be obsessed with sex, as long as they're getting it everything is fine, they don't consider that their behaviour makes them repugnant.

Do you have things in your life that make up for having to put up with him? My job fills a lot of my time and I literally can't think of anything else when I'm there but I cry in the car on the way home. I hope your children bring you joy and make up some way for his dourness. I adore my children and the thought of breaking their hearts is chilling. They're so precious and I've fought so hard to give them everything I didn't have. To feel safe and secure, not frightened of expressing their emotions or being punished like I was.

Dh's family are weird unfeeling and stuck in a bygone era where love isn't talked about and everyone seems devoid of feelings. I think maybe that's why DH was like he was. What do you think makes your husband like it?

The saddest thing is he's like a different person now. Always joking and smiling. Says he finally realises after getting to the stage where he could lose it that he should have appreciated what we had and been happy with it a long time ago. I think it's too little too late and him being happy makes me angrier.

We had so many plans, travelling, cycling holidays we had talked about and moving somewhere with a slower pace. Now I can't think of moving away from my lovely friends because I'll just be stuck with him.

It's so bloody miserable.

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Advicediddlyice · 03/03/2024 22:08

@houseonthecorner similar to you I love the kids. I have started doing more for myself, hobbies and weekend with friends. It makes a big difference. I realise that, although focusing on the kids now is great, they will grow and have their own life and I need something for myself after that.

Thanks for the hug. Thoughts to you too. Wish I had some useful advice.

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