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Brother took his OW to my house

126 replies

Imnottoosurereally · 28/02/2024 12:08

I've never done this before so forgive me if make mistakes. I'm also on my phone so have no idea whether this will work properly. I am desperate to understand if I've done something wrong, even though in my gut I just don't think I have.

This has ended up v long, sorry. The long and short of it is my brother who I thought was having a terrible crisis was staying in my house whilst I was away and brought the woman he was cheating on his long term gf with to stay there too without my knowledge.

My brother is a good guy and I love him dearly, but his behaviour has been erratic recently and his gf of 13 years contacted me over Christmas to flag that she was concerned for him. In January, he leaves their flat saying he is having a crisis and needs space. As a family we rally round to support him but I check in with his gf every now and then to see how she's getting along. After he's left his flat, he spends some time staying with other family and also at my house, both whilst I was there and again whilst we were away over half term. He's since gone back to his city but is in an Airbnb.

On Tuesday I checked in again with his gf and I obviously caught her at a low moment as everything came pouring out - that my brother had been having an affair, the OW had no idea that he was still with his gf. The gf had contacted the OW and told her and the OW immediately ended things with my brother. My brother was totally enraged and said some dreadful things to his gf and this is what I blundered into. Now this is obviously all very bad but what has really upset me is that he brought his OW to my house whilst I was away for half term and she stayed there with him. They were sleeping in my bed. I was completely furious about this - whether he has an affair is his business but having it in my bed - just gross and disrespectful. I thought he was having a breakdown but it was just an affair.

Yesterday evening he contacted me to say he knew that I knew about the affair and we should talk as there was context I should know. I said yes but first I need to make my feelings clear about him bringing her to my house and I sent him a very cross voice note. I told him I loved him and I wouldn't tell our siblings or anything but he had really messed up by bringing her here (and in my bed - ew!)

He went completely off the deep end, he couldn't believe I would get so angry when I didn't know the half of what had happened, he would never think so badly of him, how could I made him feel so dirty etc etc and now he won't speak to me at all.

I feel awful for upsetting him but I feel like he deserved a bollocking! I was also clear that his affair was between him and his conscience but he involved me when he brought her here.

I don't really know what to do. I won't tell anyone but I want him to acknowledge that he was out of line. I also know he is just lashing out because he's been caught but it breaks my heart that he is so upset because I was maybe too harsh and didn't give him the benefit of the doubt and an opportunity to explain why he did this (although I can't really think of anything that would wash).

Was I in the wrong? Any thoughts very, very welcome. I feel quite sick about it.

OP posts:
PinkIcedCream · 01/03/2024 08:44

Oh OP, your brother is following the CHEATERS SCRIPT exactly the same way as all the other men who’ve ‘come’ before him.

It’s all about poor them. Their mental health crisis, stress, money worries, suicidal thoughts etc. It’s all complete bollocks and is part of the script that cheaters tend to follow to play the poor victim once they’ve been found out.

I’m glad you’ve called him out on it. Hopefully, he might reflect back on what a nasty cheating twat he’s been.

theexhaustedmidwife · 01/03/2024 08:45

He is not a good guy. Why did you just say that he was?

Starspangledrodeopony · 01/03/2024 08:48

It’s gross seeing a shit man so enabled and excused by the women around him.

AyeupDuck · 01/03/2024 09:00

Stop seeing him as the little boy you grew up with, this is why your struggling so much with it.

He is the same as every other man that and had an affair and is a liar most of them only lie to their wives, some to wives and OW but he is the worst as has lied to you as well. I would be demanding a new bed.

Becgoz7 · 01/03/2024 09:08

Imnottoosurereally · 28/02/2024 12:08

I've never done this before so forgive me if make mistakes. I'm also on my phone so have no idea whether this will work properly. I am desperate to understand if I've done something wrong, even though in my gut I just don't think I have.

This has ended up v long, sorry. The long and short of it is my brother who I thought was having a terrible crisis was staying in my house whilst I was away and brought the woman he was cheating on his long term gf with to stay there too without my knowledge.

My brother is a good guy and I love him dearly, but his behaviour has been erratic recently and his gf of 13 years contacted me over Christmas to flag that she was concerned for him. In January, he leaves their flat saying he is having a crisis and needs space. As a family we rally round to support him but I check in with his gf every now and then to see how she's getting along. After he's left his flat, he spends some time staying with other family and also at my house, both whilst I was there and again whilst we were away over half term. He's since gone back to his city but is in an Airbnb.

On Tuesday I checked in again with his gf and I obviously caught her at a low moment as everything came pouring out - that my brother had been having an affair, the OW had no idea that he was still with his gf. The gf had contacted the OW and told her and the OW immediately ended things with my brother. My brother was totally enraged and said some dreadful things to his gf and this is what I blundered into. Now this is obviously all very bad but what has really upset me is that he brought his OW to my house whilst I was away for half term and she stayed there with him. They were sleeping in my bed. I was completely furious about this - whether he has an affair is his business but having it in my bed - just gross and disrespectful. I thought he was having a breakdown but it was just an affair.

Yesterday evening he contacted me to say he knew that I knew about the affair and we should talk as there was context I should know. I said yes but first I need to make my feelings clear about him bringing her to my house and I sent him a very cross voice note. I told him I loved him and I wouldn't tell our siblings or anything but he had really messed up by bringing her here (and in my bed - ew!)

He went completely off the deep end, he couldn't believe I would get so angry when I didn't know the half of what had happened, he would never think so badly of him, how could I made him feel so dirty etc etc and now he won't speak to me at all.

I feel awful for upsetting him but I feel like he deserved a bollocking! I was also clear that his affair was between him and his conscience but he involved me when he brought her here.

I don't really know what to do. I won't tell anyone but I want him to acknowledge that he was out of line. I also know he is just lashing out because he's been caught but it breaks my heart that he is so upset because I was maybe too harsh and didn't give him the benefit of the doubt and an opportunity to explain why he did this (although I can't really think of anything that would wash).

Was I in the wrong? Any thoughts very, very welcome. I feel quite sick about it.

The only thing I'd be bothered about is him sleeping with her in my bed.

The rest is just life, things happen. People break and make relationships

EmeraldA129 · 01/03/2024 10:41

p1ppyL0ngstocking · 28/02/2024 12:15

Your brother is DARVO-ing you.

Deny
Attack
Reverse Victim and Offender

He does something awful - cheats on his partner of 13yr and rather than own up he claims sympathy and support for his "breakdown".

He spends time having sex with his OW IN YOUR BED 🤮 (did he even clean the sheets??) whilst not telling the OW she was the OW (essentially obtained sex by manipulation) and somehow this is your fault?

You are not in the wrong.

Your brother used you to get what he wanted from you (an empty apartment and bed) and from an unsuspecting woman (sex).

You rightly called him out for his awful behaviour and now he's behaving like the victim.

Tell your family what happened and tell your brother that he is not the victim in this and he doesn't get to act like one.

This is spot on - no need to say anything else

FabFebHalfTerm · 01/03/2024 10:47

CormorantStrikesBack · 28/02/2024 12:16

I’d be making him buy me a new mattress to be honest

@CormorantStrikesBack

Do you never stay in hotels?

CheekyLeader · 01/03/2024 11:19

He sounds like a spoilt brat who lashes out if he doesn't get his own way. A narcissist who turns blame for what he has done onto others. I share your disgust with him bringing his OW into your bed without your permission. Now go and tell your siblings and seek comfort from them for how he has upset you.

perfectcolourfound · 01/03/2024 11:22

Starspangledrodeopony · 01/03/2024 08:48

It’s gross seeing a shit man so enabled and excused by the women around him.

I don't see that's happened.

His gf has dropped him, as soon as she found out
The OW has dropped him, as soon as she found out
His sister has given him her thoughts in no uncertain terms, as soon as she found out.

Contraryjane · 01/03/2024 11:45

I bought a new bed after I had that situation!

Geebray · 01/03/2024 11:50

I'm getting distinct "youngest son" vibes off your brother. I bet he's used to being indulged by you, his siblings, and his parents?

I do hope you're not still lying for him, OP. How's it all going?

stopthinkingaboutit · 01/03/2024 11:58

CormorantStrikesBack · 28/02/2024 12:16

I’d be making him buy me a new mattress to be honest

This is a bit OTT.

As much as I don't agree with what her brother has done, do you ask for a new mattress every time you stay in a hotel?

mammaCh · 01/03/2024 11:59

Eeeew. He is most definitely in the wrong, not you!
What possible reason could he have that makes him need to have sex in your house, let alone your bed?!
That is truly disrespectful and gross.

PieAndLattes · 01/03/2024 12:05

He sounds like a bog standard cheater pulling the mental health card. A twat, in other words. And now he’s gone all DARVO because he’s been found out.

MsRosley · 01/03/2024 12:07

Yeah, you've found him out, OP, and had the temerity to call him out on it, and so obviously it's all your fault.

Your brother is an arsehole. I'm sorry you're having to deal with this.

Dinkydo12 · 01/03/2024 14:06

Similar thing happened when my Uncle did this to my parents. Mum was furious but dad although unhappy about did not want a rift from his brother. Mum binned the bedding and bought a new matress topper. They didn't say anything to anyone hoping uncle would come to his senses. Unfortunately secret came out and aunt blamed my parents! Guess you cannot win either way.

Imnottoosurereally · 01/03/2024 15:10

Geebray · 01/03/2024 11:50

I'm getting distinct "youngest son" vibes off your brother. I bet he's used to being indulged by you, his siblings, and his parents?

I do hope you're not still lying for him, OP. How's it all going?

Sorry, I buggered off as I was starting to get weird vibes from some responses but I just had to come back just once to respond to you to say, ha - yes, got it in one!

OP posts:
Geebray · 01/03/2024 15:17

Imnottoosurereally · 01/03/2024 15:10

Sorry, I buggered off as I was starting to get weird vibes from some responses but I just had to come back just once to respond to you to say, ha - yes, got it in one!

Ha. Well, fun times are over kiddo, it's time to face the music.

Pleeeeeeease tell me you're not still lying for him, OP?!!!

Imnottoosurereally · 01/03/2024 15:33

@Geebray I have had a full and unreserved apology and acknowledgement that what he did re bringing her to my house was out of line. It doesn't fix things but was helpful to have my upset recognised in a calm and contrite manner.

I have also told one of my siblings, so we'll see what happens there.

OP posts:
Geebray · 01/03/2024 16:00

Imnottoosurereally · 01/03/2024 15:33

@Geebray I have had a full and unreserved apology and acknowledgement that what he did re bringing her to my house was out of line. It doesn't fix things but was helpful to have my upset recognised in a calm and contrite manner.

I have also told one of my siblings, so we'll see what happens there.

Edited

Well I am glad to hear that OP! Maybe he's growing up a bit...

As for your siblings, obvs he will be spinning them the "breakdown" line. Have you told your sibling that he slept with the unwitting OW in your bed?

I mean you're not under any obligation to, I was just wondering.

Imnottoosurereally · 01/03/2024 16:16

@Geebray yes, I told them absolutely everything, even shared my voice note. They were appalled.

OP posts:
Geebray · 01/03/2024 16:38

Imnottoosurereally · 01/03/2024 16:16

@Geebray yes, I told them absolutely everything, even shared my voice note. They were appalled.

Well done you! I guess the golden boy will be a little bit tarnished now. And a little bit less entitled.

BoohooWoohoo · 01/03/2024 18:16

Imnottoosurereally · 01/03/2024 16:16

@Geebray yes, I told them absolutely everything, even shared my voice note. They were appalled.

I think that you did the right thing. You’ve done nothing wrong.

DancesWithDucks · 01/03/2024 19:06

I have also told one of my siblings, so we'll see what happens there.

I think you did the right thing here.

He's lied to his gf, lied to the OW, lied to you and verbally attacked you.

This is a strong and deliberate decision to deceive everyone around him.

It's good that you've had an apology but you can't trust him, I'm afraid. He's shattered trust into a lot of little shards that cut.

If he's going to turn himself around it's going to take many months to really acknowledge what he's done to himself and to the people he's hurt so badly.

Secrecy at this point does not help this process of change. It protects him from himself because it means he doesn't have to face what he's done. No need to shout it from the mountain tops, but under no circumstances should you feel that you should have to keep quiet. The only real way to handle liars is to bring the facts into the open; in your brother's case, the only real way he can change his behaviour is to face up to what he's done.

Mumoftwins78 · 02/03/2024 07:07

Imnottoosurereally · 28/02/2024 12:08

I've never done this before so forgive me if make mistakes. I'm also on my phone so have no idea whether this will work properly. I am desperate to understand if I've done something wrong, even though in my gut I just don't think I have.

This has ended up v long, sorry. The long and short of it is my brother who I thought was having a terrible crisis was staying in my house whilst I was away and brought the woman he was cheating on his long term gf with to stay there too without my knowledge.

My brother is a good guy and I love him dearly, but his behaviour has been erratic recently and his gf of 13 years contacted me over Christmas to flag that she was concerned for him. In January, he leaves their flat saying he is having a crisis and needs space. As a family we rally round to support him but I check in with his gf every now and then to see how she's getting along. After he's left his flat, he spends some time staying with other family and also at my house, both whilst I was there and again whilst we were away over half term. He's since gone back to his city but is in an Airbnb.

On Tuesday I checked in again with his gf and I obviously caught her at a low moment as everything came pouring out - that my brother had been having an affair, the OW had no idea that he was still with his gf. The gf had contacted the OW and told her and the OW immediately ended things with my brother. My brother was totally enraged and said some dreadful things to his gf and this is what I blundered into. Now this is obviously all very bad but what has really upset me is that he brought his OW to my house whilst I was away for half term and she stayed there with him. They were sleeping in my bed. I was completely furious about this - whether he has an affair is his business but having it in my bed - just gross and disrespectful. I thought he was having a breakdown but it was just an affair.

Yesterday evening he contacted me to say he knew that I knew about the affair and we should talk as there was context I should know. I said yes but first I need to make my feelings clear about him bringing her to my house and I sent him a very cross voice note. I told him I loved him and I wouldn't tell our siblings or anything but he had really messed up by bringing her here (and in my bed - ew!)

He went completely off the deep end, he couldn't believe I would get so angry when I didn't know the half of what had happened, he would never think so badly of him, how could I made him feel so dirty etc etc and now he won't speak to me at all.

I feel awful for upsetting him but I feel like he deserved a bollocking! I was also clear that his affair was between him and his conscience but he involved me when he brought her here.

I don't really know what to do. I won't tell anyone but I want him to acknowledge that he was out of line. I also know he is just lashing out because he's been caught but it breaks my heart that he is so upset because I was maybe too harsh and didn't give him the benefit of the doubt and an opportunity to explain why he did this (although I can't really think of anything that would wash).

Was I in the wrong? Any thoughts very, very welcome. I feel quite sick about it.

I bet if the tables were turned and you were the gf with the cheating bf he would be saying different

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