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Out of my depth with friend (long, sorry)

58 replies

WreninaDarkNook · 26/02/2024 15:20

I love this friend (I'll call her Sarah) to bits as a person, we get along very well and I am grateful for her in my life, she's given me great advice, cheered me up while I've been down, supported me through some dark times.

We're both gay women in our late30s/early 40s. Have known one another about 10 years.

I have trouble with boundaries and asserting myself and am often scared to hurt people's feelings, and can end up doing things I am not quite comfortable with as a result-not trying to make excuses, I know I am to blame for this situation as much as Sarah is. We live about 2 hours away from one another but we video call/chat on the phone a lot. Sarah doesn't work, I work fulltime and run a business alongside.

There's a bit of an elephant in the room given she has always liked me as more than a friend. I unfortunately do not feel the same.

Years ago when we first were getting to know one another, we were part of a friendship group comprising of us and maybe 6 or 7 others. Sarah knew I was having a hard time. My abusive ex had just left and I was feeling very vulnerable.

She would message me privately all the time, whereas before it had been mainly group chats. I was very wary at first of leaning on her for support because I didn't know her well and the lesbian community in this country can be quite a small world, and I was still frightened of my ex, but eventually with much persistence I did confide in her about a lot and she did go above and beyond to help, which I am ever grateful for. Around this time she suggested she come and visit me and I said no, not least because I had a feeling she had developed feelings and was expecting sex.

She kept on asking and asking and eventually I told her my fears and she said that wasn't why she was visiting, she wanted friendship only. So she did visit. I remember how anxious I was during this visit because I wasn't quite comfortable with it, I didn't really want a new person in my life, and my ex still had a key and all hell would have broken loose if she'd have turned up. It transpired that Sarah did actually expect sex, and she got it (not saying I wasn't complicit, I was, I have no excuse other than I didn't really know what else to do and felt I was single and she'd done a lot for me).

I told her afterwards that nice as it was I didn't think it was a good idea, I wasn't ready for anything such as that. She got very upset and quite angry about this.

Over the years it has come up again that she could be good for me in a relationship (yes, elephant in the room as it isn't mentioned often) and I have to try to sort of worm my way out of an awkward conversation)I wish I DID want a relationship with her or did at least in the past, in a way but I just don't think of her like that.

But that was years ago and now I have this situation where I am in a relationship, and Sarah isn't happy about it. I find myself quite scared a lot of the time (this sounds mad writing it down).

For example, if my DP is here at the weekend, Sarah always gets angry about it. I've had some snotty messages and phone calls. One time she called me and I answered and she heard DP in the background saying something to me (I'd gone upstairs out of the way and DP needed the loo and said such) and Sarah said very loudly 'Tell her to shut the FUCK up!' DP heard, I was shocked as hadn't expected it and just, in my world that's such a strange and odd thing to do. DP wasn't bothered but I felt so bad about it. This really really upset me.

A few weeks ago Sarah told me she thought I was a proper friend (she did mention other friends too) but I'd spend so many weekends with DP and only one now and again with her and she thought she had real friends but she hasn't.

She was very upset and angry. This was a really long phone call and I basically got a character assassination with Sarah throwing every wrongdoing I'd ever done at me, some I didn't even remember, others that I did but hadn't realised they were anything significant at the time (I am struggling to remember examples but one was that I hadn't trusted her to confide in at first, or things I'd said which had upset her which I saw as very minor but she obviously didn't). I was so upset and in the end I told her I was sorry for everything but I really had nothing left in me to say.

It was horrible though-all I really want is for us to have a nice friendship.

I admit I do avoid going and seeing her as often as I should, and she hasn't visited me at my house. I feel uncomfortable with it.

At her house, she acts more like a girlfriend than a friend, subtle ways hard to explain.
At my house, she'd want to share a bed. I wasn't sure of if I was right about this, but I outright asked her one day. She's deeply upset that she's never been to visit at my house since I moved and other friends have and DP obviously does too. It took me a lot (I know, I'm a wimp) to be clear about my worries, that she'd want to share a bed or expect sex from me despite my relationship and she got very angry and put the phone down. It wasn't mentioned again.

Last time DP stayed here, she (DP) ended up staying an extra night as she had the day off work unexpectedly. Sarah is furious that I didn't tell her about this. The truth is, I knew she'd be angry and I just didn't know what to say or how to tell her. The assertive part of me thinks why should I have to? The other part feels guilty about not doing so as she might've expected me to call on the Sunday night.

She's currently very angry with me, she knows DP isn't here now and will want me to call her later as I normally do a couple of times per week.

One thing I find very immature and passive aggressive that she does is, she changes our message background to something she knows I really don't like, whenever she's angry. And she has done.

I just don't know what to do?

I feel sorry for her in a way, she only has me and one other close friend whom I think she gets similarly angry with, who again lives quite far from her. I want to suggest she branches out and meets more people but I've done that before and again she was angered by it. I've also suggested that if I am that bad for her and cause her so much pain, maybe she'd be better off with me not around? Unrequited affection can be so painful, I know that. But she took this as a huge insult and I've never dared suggest it again.

I suspect I may have left some important information out, but this post is just so long already.

OP posts:
AliceOlive · 26/02/2024 17:17

Friends are supposed to make you feel good and safe and happy. If someone is making you this uncomfortable, they are not a friend.

Slanabhaile · 26/02/2024 17:23

I'm confused by this whole situation.... she's supposed to be a friend but you don't want her to visit your house because she'd expect sex??? She gets annoyed at you because your GF stayed at your house longer than you'd originally told her???
Yeah, I think you need to dump her as a friend. She sounds unhinged!!

N0Tfunny · 26/02/2024 17:24

Ok I’m a het woman so sorry in advance if I’m misunderstanding. But I hear my lesbian friends getting in all sorts of messes like this by being friends with their ex. Or like you, with some other woman who fancies them .

For some reason, when it a M- F couple, everyone knows that’s not going to work. But it seems like it’s A THING for lesbians. Be ause we are all so cool and open minded and trust each other ( or some other nonsense ).

So I’ll spell it out - you can’t be friends with Sarah because she’s a manipulative psycho who fancies you . There’s no middle ground here - end the friendship ( quickly or slow fade ) or go on living like this.

Your choice.

I feel sorry for your poor parter who has also bought into this nonsense and can’t allow herself to admit that she’s cool with one of your “ friends “ who insults her and is trying to get into your bed.

HereForTheFreeLunch · 26/02/2024 17:31

If Sarah was a guy you would see this for what it is and maybe behaved differently.
Friendship is not possible when one side has romantic expectations. And this one is a bully/psycho too.
You need to break away from Sarah.

Fucketyfecketyfoo · 26/02/2024 17:35

She is abusive…I am not sure you are able to walk away. Think you like the drama. Your problem is really easy to solve…if you want to.

PeggySooo · 26/02/2024 17:40

She's a predator. Cut her off

pastypirate · 26/02/2024 17:48

Op if you block her right now it means every time your phone pings your heart won't race. Just do it she's psychotic.

twingiraffes · 26/02/2024 18:04

I feel pathetic for being afraid of her temper. There is no need for you to feel pathetic, you are a victim of her abuse. Yes, it is abuse.

She's bullying, intimidating, rude, coerces you into sex against your better judgement, and you are afraid of her.

The time is well overdue to cut this person out of your life.

FuckoffeeBeforeCoffee · 26/02/2024 18:36

Block. Now.

Don't even explain. Straight up ghost the bitch.

rooftopbird · 26/02/2024 18:38

My gosh you really do need to muster up some emotional strength and bravery and get Sarah out if your life. She's literally abusing you.

MeMyCatsAndMyBooks · 26/02/2024 18:43

Ghost the abusive bitch; she basically forced you to have sex with her!

Rania78 · 26/02/2024 18:45

Why do you keep her in your life? She is controlling and abusive.

CoddledAsAMommet · 26/02/2024 18:46

Pretend for 5 minutes that Sarah has a penis.

Then have a think about how you'd behave in that situation.

You swapped one abusive person for another. Sarah has mad expectations (why in a million years would you need to tell her your DP had stayed an extra night??) and is absolutely not your friend.

I think it's key that she doesn't work - she has all the time in the world to stew on things that don't matter and try to make them your problem. She is not your friend.

Throwawayme · 26/02/2024 18:55

This isn't okay. You need to just end this friendship. It's not a friendship even! If anyone shouted for my partner to shut the fuck up on the phone that'd have been it for me. You shouldn't be scared of your friends. Just stop contacting her/answering her calls.

FUBAR77 · 26/02/2024 18:59

@WreninaDarkNook what do you mean by she changes the message background? This reads as seriously controlling behaviour.

How far does she live from you?

forrestgreen · 26/02/2024 19:00

She's manipulative

gettingolderbutcooler · 26/02/2024 19:02

I think you might rather enjoy having someone hanging around with unrequited love for you.
Otherwise why all the complaints and yet still setting up situations where you enable her to continue?

Nicole1111 · 26/02/2024 19:13

This isn’t a friendship it’s a controlling and coercive relationship. She will only behave worse and worse with time as she’s been allowed to treat you poorly without you asserting any boundaries. Your options are to cut her off, which I’d recommend, or to try and assert boundaries now. It’s highly unlikely she’ll take kindly to this though and any abuse is likely to ramp up.

therealcookiemonster · 26/02/2024 19:15

OP, this woman is a psycho. you need to block her and get her out of your life pronto.
she needs proper help from a therapist

this kind of behaviour can escalate and I can guarantee her behaviour is already massively affecting your mental health

she is downright emotionally abusing you.

Seas164 · 26/02/2024 19:23

Sarah is not your friend. She's spent a decade making you feel on edge, she is overstepping massively, she is controlling, manipulative and abusive. She has no friends because of this. You owe her nothing.

It is past time that you step away from her, and work out why you have allowed this to continue for so long, why you are accepting of her treatment of you, and the way that you feel in relationship to her.

This is not a friendship.

MotherofChaosandDestruction · 26/02/2024 19:23

No no no. You've exchanged one abusive relationship for another. She is a bully and is bullying you. You don't feel comfortable with her, she makes you feel bad just end the friendship.

You don't need it but you do have permission to end this toxicity.

CutthroatDruTheViolent · 26/02/2024 19:59

You're being bullied by a woman who lives two hours away. Tell her you no longer want to be friends and block her.

She's spent a whole decade wearing you down and you still don't want her - but you allow her partially in to bully you.

ZebraD · 26/02/2024 20:33

Wow…talk about controlling…block her!

Apolloneuro · 26/02/2024 20:49

You and Sarah cannot be friends.

PieOMy · 26/02/2024 20:59

Blimey. Why on earth are you friends with this barking mad crazy woman?