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Am I being emotionally manipulated by my dad? Please help.

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leahcjs · 21/02/2024 03:11

Hello, thanks for clicking on this thread. It's a bit of a long one so im going to try and keep it as short as possible.

My siblings 4 brothers)and I grew up in a very toxic household, lots of arguments, physical fights and most of all lots of emotional abuse. My mum didn't leave my dad until 4 years ago because he was an ahole basically, she tried to leave him multiple times when we were kids but he would tell us as young children that he would kill himself.

Anyway very questionable childhood for me and my siblings

  • I remember being a rebellious teenager answering back my mum asked for a break from me and asked my dad to take me out for a drive to have a talk about my behaviour. I remember getting in the car with just my dad and being petrified and I should've been. He would drive at 70mph on 20mph roads swerving into trees, lampposts and buses saying that he would kill us both if I didn't behave.
-my brother has epilepsy(17 now) when we were playing as kids I was running with him on my back and we fell over and he banged his head and had his first real and longest seizure ever. My dad told me that I was the reason he was like this and that if anything happened to him he'd kill me. A lot later in life I asked my mum about this and she said they both knew he had seizures and he had been having silent seizures for years before this(epilepsy runs in the family). -my mum took my brothers on a holiday leaving me alone with my dad for 2 weeks. I'm not quite sure what was happening I think I was playing up as a teenager, but my dad was being horrible and said that I was the reason the family was a mess etc and actually yes actually pretended to have a heart attack. Obviously me being 12 not knowing the difference called the ambulance who basically said he's absolutely fine. The reason he was having a heart attack was because of meShocksurprise surprise!

Anyway fast forward on to 4 years ago my mum finally gets the balls to leave my dad, well sorta. He moved out of the family home but was still controlling my mum and being an ahole. My mum said multiple times that she didn't want to be with him etc, he didn't seem to get the msg.

My mum eventually met someone new about 1 year ago and when my dad found out he went absolutely ape shit. He would call my mum constantly, I think I have some of the messages saved on my phone actually I'll paste them down below. Anyway so he found out started calling, texting, harassing me and my brothers (youngest 14) saying that we are no kids of his, we are scum, and that he would kill us. Eventually after weeks of abuse we all block him - he couldn't get through to anyone so what does he do? PRETENDS HE HAS CANCER
(the reason this is important is because 1) it's fucked up. 2) because my mums brother died 3 years before of cancer at only 38 and we were and are still traumatised by it still today. )
Anyway so he eventually gets through to me saying he needs to have an important chat, I said okay call me .. he says and I quote...
'you're not gonna like this kid. I have cancer, the doctors need to do some more tests but it's definitely cancer'
Long story short says all of this shit and even prints/makes fake letters from GPS and hospital appointments with all of this. I find out after looking at these properly, call him out on it and he wasn't a happy chappy let me tell you that. It was a lot for me because I had just stated treatment for my postnatal depression and was suffering with mild psychosis before this(fully recovered now - still have bad days with depression but a big big improvement).
Oh by the way I'm Leah and I live on my own with my 3 children (8.2 and 4 month old). I actually wrote this before in a lot more detail and my phone died so I'm a bit all over the place🙄
Anywho called him out on his fucked up bullshit, and said that he was sick for making this stuff up and he turned round and said ' the only one who's sick is you - why don't you go and talk to the demons in your kitchen you freak'. Wow that hit hard. When I was ill I thought there was ghosts in my kitchen who were going to come and kill my children, scary I know. Anyway cut all ties with him after this and what does he do harasses everyone saying he's going to kill himself over and over again, multiple calls to 999 and he's been sitting there absolutely fine, happy as Larry. Anyway block him block block until I get a voicemail from the paramedics saying he had cardiac arrest and was in a coma. I then noticed I had voicemails from him on an unknown number screaming for help saying you think I won't do it etc etc.
I ignored stuff like this because he'd do this when we were kids and for weeks before he kept saying the same thing and if I didn't respond he would say
'How can you live with yourself knowing you wanted me dead'
Anyway he's in a coma, might live or die very traumatic yet again.
Anywho stop talking to him until one day he turns up at my home months later saying he's changed and wants to make an effort with my children. It was sketchy and weird and I wasn't comfortable at all but I have trouble saying no to people and he started crying so I let him him and everything actually went okay, yes he went on about the coma and how my mums a horrible person etc he's a narcissistic man but he wasn't being absolutely awful so I just went with the flow.
Anyway fast forward til now he's still bothering me, today he called and said he's having a breakdown and that he hears voices and that there's man Following him constantly telling him he's worthless and stuff. Apparently there's also 2 children playing with a ball in the corner of his living room. I know what you're thinking concerning right? WRONG.
The reason I'm skeptical is because he's literally said before that he said he hears voices to the mental health team so they could help him with housing. Fucked up right? Welcome to my life😆
I don't want to be a punching bag anymore but for some reason I find it hard and always end up feeling guilty and like if anything happens it's my fault.
He's a horrible man and done some really horrible things and I just don't know how to go about it.
He's asked my to come and visit him with the kids on Saturday but I just don't want to go. He pretends he's interested in the kids for 5 minutes but then just starts moaning about my mum, etc etc.
bare in mind this is the man I lived with and called my dad but I literally cannot remember a time when I came home from school and he said hi. Not once.
He's been such a fucking arsehole since ive been alive, but hes even worse now.
When my brother (17) said that my mum had a nice holiday with her new bf he went ballistic and told my brother that he was scum and he hoped he have a seizure and die. ????
This is all because my mum left him and has a new partner? Nothing is about us and never has been. He never bothered doing anything with us as children ever. My dad's never taken me to the park even though he's fully able? He wouldn't even ask us how our day was or anything, just silence.

Things to mention that may be relevant may not:

  • he didn't attend his dads funeral and wasn't even remotely upset when his dad died even though they had a good relationship.
  • he's never been able to hold down a job ever! He would get a job work for 3 days and then make up some shitty excuse and not work for another year and so on and so on.
  • he sent a picture of a gun(turns out it was a BB gun after going to the police) and said he would kill my mum, her boyfriend and all us kids if my mum didn't leave him. Traumatic? YES.
I don't even know if this thread makes any sense because I'm writing it at 3 in the morning because I just want to get it done so apologies. Also ignore my sarcastic behaviour it's the way I deal with things if I don't laugh I'll cry. I'm sure there's quite a few things ive left out but I'd be here forever if I had to write them all. How do I deal with him? My brothers don't want anything to do with him anymore so the pressures all on me to deal with him and I feel horrible because he makes me feel so guilty when he says he's lonely and depressed and he feels like he's going to khs. I feel like he uses this on me because he knows I was in a really bad place and can relate to those things so he pulls at my heart strings it's just not fair. How do I deal with this? Any questions or advice is so so so appreciated! Thanks for reading my long ass post❤️

to mention

  • yes we went to the police.
  • there is a restraining order in place for my mum but he just doesn't care.
  • I will always keep my children safe and if he does come around I am with them 24/7. He doesn't visit often he just calls me a lot and texts me a lot.

I just feel like after everything ive been through recently it's not fair. I'm trying not to put so much pressure on myself after having a baby after having pnd but he just doesn't seem to get that?
I've said before that he's making me ill but he said that I'm being selfish.

Anyway I could go on and on

Thanks again😁

OP posts:
LoudSnoringDog · 21/02/2024 03:21

This is a long read. Your childhood sounds completely horrendous

in short, I would seriously suggest you cut this man out of your life, for the sake of your own sanity

Garlickit · 21/02/2024 03:25

Fucking hell, Leah. You're doing well to be on two feet and with three healthy children.

You don't need strangers on the internet to tell you to stay as far as possible from your horrendous father, even if that feels like abandoning your mum or younger brother. He is lethal.

It will no doubt feel very difficult because of the FOG - you know about Fear, Obligation and Guilt? It's the trap that keeps us playing abusers' games.

Are you getting mental health support at all?

Some links that might be of interest:

https://outofthefog.website/

http://www.hiddenhurt.co.uk/index.html

This very long-running Mumsnet thread has loads of good information:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/4991681-january-2024-well-we-took-you-to-stately-homes

Spencer0220 · 21/02/2024 03:28

Oh Leah. That's just messed up.

I'd definitely go no contact and if he won't respect that, get the police involved.

Best of luck and we're all here to support you xx

Elizadooalot · 21/02/2024 03:45

Cut him out your life like the cancer he is. I'm surprised you're as sane as you are after all this. If you give him attention he'll never leave you alone. Non of this is or was ever your fault. x

Poettree · 21/02/2024 03:50

Get a restraining order. He's an abuser and he will never change.

I understand the guilt but your kids need to be kept away from such a person and so do you as he will take away energy and wellbeing that you need for them.

KellyJonesLeatherTrousers · 21/02/2024 05:29

You feel guilt because he has always told you things are yoir fault. Total twisted manipulation from a very young age- you owe this man nothing!

Follow your mum’s lead, cut him out, prioritise you and your kids before he messes them up too.

I’m sorry that this was your childhood, please put an end to this madness.

ObsidianTree · 21/02/2024 06:05

Like others have said, get rid of him from your life. Restraining order etc.

Your last part says it all, when you say it's making you ill, he calls you selfish. He is the selfish one that doesn't care what effect his rubbish has on you. As long as you are there to listen to his bullshit he doesn't give a damn if it makes you feel like shit. He's a cancer on your life and everyone around you. You need to cut it out before it starts effecting your kids.

lifesrichpageant · 21/02/2024 06:47

Make your children and your healing your #1 priority. This would be impossible with him in your life. Good luck.

BMW6 · 21/02/2024 09:04

For the sake of your sanity and your children's own welfare I'd cut him out of your lives utterly and completely.

He's all kinds of a Fuck Up and he'll mess with your kids heads the way he has with yours.

Change your phone number, move if needs be, just cut all contact.

BlastedPimples · 21/02/2024 09:33

He will never change.

He has serious serious mental health issues.

Please cut contact with him before he causes even more damage to your well-being and your dcs.

You've done so well so far. Managed with so much trauma and distress.

No more. Seek a peaceful, drama free life. Cut this awful man out of your lives. He will never change and it will get worse.

MollyButton · 21/02/2024 09:46

Get rid of him.
Seek a restraining order. Show threats he has made to the police.
Find yourself a good therapist.
He is the selfish unhinged one. You have a right to feel safe.

BTW your mother is not innocent in all this.
And the Stately Homes threads and people might be able to offer more support

Beamur · 21/02/2024 09:53

Go no contact. Look up 'grey rock'.
You've had a really messed up childhood so really well done in recognising that and not doing the same to your kids.
Short answer - it's not your fault and nothing you say or do will make any difference. You can never 'win' with people with this personality type.
Stately homes threads might be very helpful.

StrawberryWater · 21/02/2024 10:12

The beauty of being an adult is that you can choose who to have in your life. Cut this man off already and be done with it. Get a restraining order if you have to. Also if you still have his messages where he's threatening to kill you then report him to the police (I think you should anyway).

Galeforcewindatmywindow · 21/02/2024 10:16

He isn't your father in any sense other than a bit of dna. Grieve the man you wish he was and block him. Call the police if you have to. He sounds seriously unhinged.
Haven't seen my df for over 25 years. .

Andthereyougo · 21/02/2024 10:33

Pretend for a moment this isn’t your dad. It’s a random man doing all these things to you. What would you do then? I bet you wouldn’t take him in, let him near your dc, even give him the time of day.
That is how you need to think of him. You owe him nothing.
You can go back to the police, show them the texts, the photo of the gun etc… you can say you’re scared of him ( I would be) Ask about how you can get a restraining order to stop him contacting you, keep him away from you.
Then you block his number and if he comes to your door he’ll be arrested. You call 999 immediately.

I don’t think he’s “ just” manipulative , I think he sounds dangerous, the sort who will do one big thing thing to say “ there, told you I’d do it”
Get him out of your life.

BroughttoyoubyBerocca · 21/02/2024 10:39

Christ on a bike my Dad has done some things but your Dad is something else.

Do not take your DC to see him, that’s a hard no. My Dad is unlikely to ever see mine again.

Say that you need a break from contact, you need to stay well and look after your DC, his response will tell you everything that you need to know. Don't let him abuse you.

leahcjs · 21/02/2024 13:39

Garlickit · 21/02/2024 03:25

Fucking hell, Leah. You're doing well to be on two feet and with three healthy children.

You don't need strangers on the internet to tell you to stay as far as possible from your horrendous father, even if that feels like abandoning your mum or younger brother. He is lethal.

It will no doubt feel very difficult because of the FOG - you know about Fear, Obligation and Guilt? It's the trap that keeps us playing abusers' games.

Are you getting mental health support at all?

Some links that might be of interest:

https://outofthefog.website/

http://www.hiddenhurt.co.uk/index.html

This very long-running Mumsnet thread has loads of good information:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/4991681-january-2024-well-we-took-you-to-stately-homes

Edited

Thank you, these links were really helpful!

OP posts:
leahcjs · 21/02/2024 13:42

MollyButton · 21/02/2024 09:46

Get rid of him.
Seek a restraining order. Show threats he has made to the police.
Find yourself a good therapist.
He is the selfish unhinged one. You have a right to feel safe.

BTW your mother is not innocent in all this.
And the Stately Homes threads and people might be able to offer more support

I agree my mum isn't innocent and do blame her for a lot of these things that happened that as I mum I would've prevented. Hell, as a mum I wouldn't allow this full stop. However, I do sympathise with her, because she has dealt with so much more than we have

OP posts:
leahcjs · 21/02/2024 13:42

Andthereyougo · 21/02/2024 10:33

Pretend for a moment this isn’t your dad. It’s a random man doing all these things to you. What would you do then? I bet you wouldn’t take him in, let him near your dc, even give him the time of day.
That is how you need to think of him. You owe him nothing.
You can go back to the police, show them the texts, the photo of the gun etc… you can say you’re scared of him ( I would be) Ask about how you can get a restraining order to stop him contacting you, keep him away from you.
Then you block his number and if he comes to your door he’ll be arrested. You call 999 immediately.

I don’t think he’s “ just” manipulative , I think he sounds dangerous, the sort who will do one big thing thing to say “ there, told you I’d do it”
Get him out of your life.

you're not the only person who's said this actually, thanks a lot!

OP posts:
rainbowstardrops · 21/02/2024 13:58

I wouldn't usually say this but I think you should cut ties and focus on yourself and your children.

Valeriekat · 26/02/2024 18:40

I think if they didn't treat you well as a child (and adorable) then they don't deserve ANYTHING from you as an adult.
Cut him out of your life he will never change.
Move on and be happy.

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