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How to change my mindset?

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Surfapparel · 20/02/2024 21:48

I'm 36 and I have two children (5 and 7). I have a big job and earn very healthy six figures. This means I'm busy and do a lot of socialising, both with female friends and male colleagues. I've been single for about a year and I'm starting to really feel like I'm just not what men are looking for. Too independent and not enough time to devote to them. I can't change who I am, but I want a partner and feel afraid that it isn’t going to happen for me. How can I pull myself out of this negative mindset?

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Garlickit · 20/02/2024 22:00

Focus on whether the men are what you're looking for.

There really is a shortage of proper male grown-ups who can truly enjoy an equal partnership with a competent woman; you're not imagining it! Downgrading yourself for the sake of a shaky male ego is obviously not the answer. Start keeping half an eye on whether the men you meet might be up to your standards.

sharptoothlemonshark · 20/02/2024 22:01

Be your lovely self! And don't bother with anyone who does not want you exactly the way you are

Surfapparel · 20/02/2024 22:02

I feel like I attract men who say they love the fact that I'm independent, earn more etc but after a while they all seem to want me to change myself to socialise and work less and basically just be different.

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ReliableAlice · 20/02/2024 22:36

I guess be honest about how much time you're willing to devote to a relationship. There's always a measure of compromise in any relationship, whether it's seeing your friends less or working less so that you get to spend time with your partner. Some men might expect more and need more, if you can find someone independent and career focused, who does their own thing and is similar to yourself in their expectations it will probably be easier. Also, once you find someone you click with and enjoy being with, I think the transition into each other's lives is easier and it's not so hard to make time for them. It may also not be the right time to try to incorporate a man in, with your career and children and social events vibing right now. Sometimes you're in a life stage you really love and you don't want to compromise that, and that's totally fine. You're successful and independent and happy, don't let a negative mindset pressure you into dating if it's really not the time. Good luck.

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Quitelikeit · 20/02/2024 22:40

How do you even have time for a relationship?!

Surfapparel · 20/02/2024 22:43

Quitelikeit · 20/02/2024 22:40

How do you even have time for a relationship?!

I have 50% custody, and it's not like I work every evening and every weekend. In my last relationship I would see my partner in the evenings after my children were in bed, sometimes with the kids, on the weekend when I didn't have the children and then I would do social events twice in the week when I didn't have the children usually. It felt like a lot of time devoted to the relationship, but he didn't agree and felt I couldn't prioritise him enough to make him feel loved or wanted.

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Garlickit · 21/02/2024 00:55

he felt I couldn't prioritise him enough to make him feel loved or wanted.

Well, fuck that shit! Never bend yourself out of shape to appease a whining man. And, obviously, anybody who demands sacrifices & devotion for their emotional wellbeing is unreasonable. He was supposed to be a partner, not a god.

The balance you've described sounds healthy - shame he wasn't! I agree with @ReliableAlice, you're right for an emotionally secure individual whose own life is sorted 🙂

GreyCarpet · 21/02/2024 06:51

OP, what I have learnt about men is that too many of them like (the idea of) a woman who is independent enough that he doesn't feel he has to provide for her and who has a life outside of the relationship because it means she's less likely to complain when he does too.

However, some of them find that, once they have met those women, they feel uncomfortable at the freedom this also affords the women and that they don't actually like it all that much when it means the woman doesn't prioritise them and don't 'need' them in the way they've been used too.

I became single in my late 30s and spent 10 years dating a bit and found this to be a reccurring problem.

Surfapparel · 21/02/2024 07:47

GreyCarpet · 21/02/2024 06:51

OP, what I have learnt about men is that too many of them like (the idea of) a woman who is independent enough that he doesn't feel he has to provide for her and who has a life outside of the relationship because it means she's less likely to complain when he does too.

However, some of them find that, once they have met those women, they feel uncomfortable at the freedom this also affords the women and that they don't actually like it all that much when it means the woman doesn't prioritise them and don't 'need' them in the way they've been used too.

I became single in my late 30s and spent 10 years dating a bit and found this to be a reccurring problem.

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Did you ever meet someone where it wasn't a problem?

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GreyCarpet · 24/02/2024 12:10

Surfapparel · 21/02/2024 07:47

Did you ever meet someone where it wasn't a problem?

Only just seen this, OP!

Er, yes. Just the one tbh! We've been together for 2 and a half years. He is completely secure in who he is and doesn't feel threatened by me in any way.

I'm not a high earner by any means but earn more than him. I'm more highly educated than him and I have a hobby that I'm committed to. Just normal stuff and he isn't bothered by any of it. He often says he's really proud of me.

They do exist but I've encountered some awful male egos along the way!

Surfapparel · 24/02/2024 12:23

Thank you @GreyCarpet ! Only takes one I guess! The high earnings might be tricky, on the other hand, it buys me my independence which is how I naturally am. Time to stop changing myself and find someone who i can be in a partnership with as myself. Thanks for the hope.

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occhiazzurri · 24/02/2024 13:03

If the men you are meeting are high earners, it is not unusual for the wives (if they have been married) to have had a more low key job and a life devoted to them and the family. So you might meed to try expand the scope of people you are meeting. Good luck!

Vretz · 24/02/2024 14:37

occhiazzurri · 24/02/2024 13:03

If the men you are meeting are high earners, it is not unusual for the wives (if they have been married) to have had a more low key job and a life devoted to them and the family. So you might meed to try expand the scope of people you are meeting. Good luck!

This. I'm male and generally higher earner, always found myself with women who earnt less. I don't see an issue with the OP and the lifestyle personally, as long as you are someone who is responsive/easy to get hold of and offering an equal relationship/being on the same team.

With my ex, she was self sufficient and financially secure, so she didn't actually "need" me, so the agreement was more I'd do little things to help her out to free her time up more because she had an insane schedule (probably similar to you). That's the only "change" you may need to be willing to make (if you havent already), which is to allow a man to do things for you to free up your time without feeling that is threatening your independence/making you a damsel in distress.

All I would say is the quality of time will be important in your relationships ;)

GreyCarpet · 24/02/2024 15:51

Vretz

I think it's this attitude that is lacking tbh.

so she didn't actually "need" me

This is also part of the problem. A lot of men like to feel 'needed'. They feel it gives them the upper hand. It's really refreshing to encounter a man who doesn't feel like this.

My main hobby is that I play in a band. I'm committed to practice one night a week and gigs every other weekend or so.

My partner is also in a band with similar levels of commitment, so that helps in that he understands it completely. We also support each other by going to each others gigs.

I have found previously that men I dated liked the idea of me being in a band - they thought it was sexy or cool - but then a) didn't like the fact I was unavailable on practice nights; b) didn't like that I wouldn't turn down a gig if they wanted to see me or had nights when I was unavailable in advance (what if they wanted to do something?) And c) didn't like the fact my bandmates were male. They also assumed I'd get hit on loads, which I didn't.

Some were either critical of my career; felt inconvenienced by my career (eg again, there are nights I'm unavailable due to work commitments or busy times of year where deadlines mean my home workload increases). Women are expected to just accept that men's work will encroach on their homelife/non work time. Women are often expected to prioritise the relationship. I was accused of putting work above them. In reality, I work reqsonably long hours at work so that I need to bring very little home because I don't want it to encroach on my home life either!

And men who felt threatened (emasculated) that I outearned them. Like I say, I'm not a high earner, but above the national average which means that, inevitably, I earnt more than some of them. They judged themselves far more harshly than I ever would have (didn't judge them at all) projected massively.

And then men who didn't like that I had a degree or a Masters. Or that I got a higher class of degree than them. Unfortunately, my mum's assertion that many men don't like intelligent women turned out to be fairly accurate. Many of them like to be respected for their opinions or position of authority and don't like it if you challenge them or share alternative positions especially if you can support/evidence them robustly. It makes them feel stupid and a lot of men don't like it when a woman makes them feel stupid.

In my personal experience, men who are high(er) earners become used to there being a low(er) earning women who is able to facilitate it. Many of them don't like it if you're also 'tied up with work'. I find it also inflates their sense of self importance and they are less willing to participate in things like running the house or seeing a partner as an equal. My ex husband was a far nicer man when he was in lower status/lower paid roles than when he rose through the ranks and treated home like an extension of the workplace he managed...

My partner has a job that brings in slightly less money than me but also has far more agreeable working hours so he also does the lions share of the housework - cleaning, cooking, shopping, laundry, gardening etc so that the time we have together can be spent together. He's lovely and completely without ego.

sparklyhorse · 24/02/2024 21:22

I could have written your post. I did a LOT of OLD for 4 years. I met quite a few men who said they were totally fine with my independence, earning power and intellect. Pretty quickly they weren't. Ranging from becoming controlling to resentful remarks and attempts at sponging. I finally have met someone and we've been together 16 months. He is also a single parent, he raised his son alone. He hadnt dated for 10 years before we met and had only been on 3 dates before ours. I think this helped in that he hadn't been steeped in toxic OLD behaviours. I'm not saying this to big myself up but he earns less than me, isn't academic (though is amazing technically and can fix anything), he is less attractive than me. He is super hard working, devoted, caring and loving. We've had a great relationship so far though I know these things bother him periodically. He has never taken anything out on me or been anything other than supportive but I know he gets anxious and its related to self esteem. I took on a high profile senior public job recently and he started to worry I would meet some amazing guy at work. He sometimes says things like he's not smart enough to debate me on things. But he's totally supportive about the job (which is stressful) and does all he can to support me. I guess I'm saying its totally possible to meet someone but there's no point pretending it's not an issue for a lot of men, my experience is that it definitely is. I also tried a different approach to dating, being very vague about what I did, holding off saying where I lived etc to play myself down. It didn't work anyway..

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