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Covert sexual abuse? (TW)

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childhoodconfusion · 18/02/2024 08:23

Hi, I hope it’s ok to ask this here. I’ve posted a lot about my childhood experiences on here as a way of trying to work out things that happened to me, as well as having a lot of therapy. I’ve namechanged so that this thread isn’t linked to my others, but I’m a relatively longstanding poster.

I’ve come to understand that my mum was emotionally abusive towards me as a child. My therapist also thinks she has and had narcissistic traits. There was anger, pure rage, silent treatment, all of the ‘usual’. But I’m also starting to consider whether there was an element of covert sexual abuse too.

I didn’t know that that’s what it was (or could be) called until recently, but I knew that mum’s boundaries were skewed. We were never allowed privacy from her. We had to have the bathroom door wedged open when we were in the bath even into our teens. She would walk into our rooms unannounced and go through our private things, and then leave them on the bed so we knew she had found them.

One moment in particular that keeps replaying in my mind is from when I was about 16. It was a weekend morning, and it was a very private moment for me (without wanting to go into details, but hopefully you understand what I mean). I would have been absolutely silent. My mum suddenly walked in, walked right up to the bed, sat on the bed and put her hand on me on top of the duvet and said how fast my heart was beating. And then she left and brought back a cup of tea.

There’s other weird things - I remember her chasing my sister up the stairs at maybe 6 or 7, calling her ‘sexy legs’. When I went to uni, mum complained that she no longer knew what underwear I liked to wear because she wasn’t doing my washing any more. She also asked me if I’d read 50 Shades of Grey when it came out (again I would have been a young teenager at the time). She would walk into my room when I was changing and comment on my ‘dimply’ bum.

On top of this, healthy discussion about relationships and puberty were non-existant. I had my first boyfriend at about 15 and the extent of her ‘talk’ was ‘don’t go upstairs’ (although I didn’t end up having sex until 18). She also brought my sister to me with my sister in tears because her period had started and she thought she was dying. Mum wouldn’t tell her what was going on and hadn’t told her anything at all.

Can anyone advise whether this was what I think it was? Covert sexual abuse, just skewed boundaries, something else? Please help x

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friendswiththemonstera · 18/02/2024 08:31

The lack of discussion around puberty and sex is bad parenting. The sexy legs thing? I don't know, I find my children cute enough to eat. Their littleness is beyond adorable to me. I don't find her saying that all that strange though i wouldn't say sexy myself (it would not come into my head). The comment about your underwear and not being allowed to have a private wash as a teenager seem weirdest. The other moment - it's hard to say. You may have reacted quite strangely and she might have just thought you were behaving oddly. The dimply bum thing sounds mean.

My narcissistic mother has a big boundary problem. I remember when I was maybe 17 her instructing me how to put on suspenders so you could still take off your underwear to have sex. Makes me feel sick thinking about it. But that's just because she lacks all boundaries.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 18/02/2024 08:31

She sounds controlling but I'm not sure why you think SA.

HouseMover2024 · 18/02/2024 08:32

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 18/02/2024 08:31

She sounds controlling but I'm not sure why you think SA.

Agree.

childhoodconfusion · 18/02/2024 08:40

Thanks so much for replying. I was really scared about posting.

I’ve been doing a lot of reading and listening to podcasts about narcissistic parents and emotional abuse, and a psychotherapist mentioned that the lack of boundaries/privacy was covert sexual abuse - I hadn’t heard the term before. The example she gave was a mum coming into the bathroom while her daughter was in the shower and pulling back the curtain and commenting on her body. The exact thing didn’t happen to me, but similar things did.

Thanks again for reading.

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friendswiththemonstera · 18/02/2024 08:46

I think that's a very big label. I'm not sure labelling her behaviour in that way is serving you very much. You can see her behaviour was problematic and damaging. You understand it's about her and doesn't say anything about you. Giving it a label doesn't change anything.

PaperDoIIs · 18/02/2024 08:53

I would say it's incredibly shit boundaries pushed probably by her narcissism.

Basically constant reminders that you ,your body etc. belong to her. They're hers to do as she pleases, to control, to see whenever she wants, to comment on etc. You were not allowed your own life, privacy ,space because you belonged to her and she controlled everything. Constant reminder that your basic needs (like privacy) were a privilege not a right ,and under her control.

Utterly fucked up, definitely abusive, but I wouldn't consider it SA , covert or otherwise.

Goblinmodeactivated · 18/02/2024 08:56

doesn’t sound like SA no, although sounds like you definitely had a difficult time with your mum growing up. Also sounds like you are spending a lot of time thinking about your past, if you’re reading, listening to podcasts, and getting therapy, and posting on here about your childhood experiences, does it feel like its helping you move forwards?

SitSea · 18/02/2024 09:01

I think it does sound like SA. She was over interested in your body and wanted to intrude on private times and see you washing. It’s certainly very creepy. My mum was a bit over interested in my sexuality and it felt very uncomfortable.

ChanginRooms · 18/02/2024 09:04

Nothing here sound like your mum was getting a sexual thrill

It does sound like she was just generally a shit mum.

I'm sorry you're struggling.

childhoodconfusion · 18/02/2024 09:14

Thank you all for your replies. I agree it’s a huge label, and it probably doesn’t serve me or do me any good. I think I’m struggling at the moment to be in contact with her after everything that’s happened (not just this but a huge amount of other incidents over years and years, right into adulthood, plus a father who never stood up for us or stopped her).

@Goblinmodeactivated I’m not sure it’s doing me much good but it’s very much at the forefront of my mind atm as my partner and I are going to start trying for a baby. I’m thinking a lot about how I want their childhood to be and the sort of mother I want to be, so I think all of this mulling over of my own childhood comes from that perspective if that makes sense?

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neonjumper · 18/02/2024 09:22

I guess it could be classed as voyeurism which is sexual assault.

friendswiththemonstera · 18/02/2024 09:36

@childhoodconfusion My sister and I both distanced ourselves from our mother when we had our own children. We couldn't trust her to babysit and she offered no support. We were tired of trying to build a relationship- she'd had 30 years to be a better mother. It was time for us to focusing on being good mothers for our own children.

Don't feel guilty if you choose to distance yourself.

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