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Adult Female Friendship Group Advice Needed

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Jingleylamp · 17/02/2024 00:12

Until quite recently I had a nice friendship circle as a woman in my early forties. I've never really had a friendship group before, even at school my friends were dotted about and I was a bit of a free spirit so friends just seemed to come and go. So I've been very grateful for the five friends I've had as an adult after meeting them at a social group four years ago. We've had some good times and even our children are now friends.

Then, I noticed a year ago that one lady in the group was being quite off-hand and rude with me- talking over me, sighing if I spoke, eye rolling, ignoring me from time to time. I ignored it, this then developed into her challenging me privately away from the group about the group itself about an agreement we'd had which she apparently disagreed with and failed to speak up about. She never challenged the other women at all- they were all surprised when I told them that she was unhappy. Until finally, she crossed a massive boundary for me around a month ago. The group were all present when this happened- she accused me of saying something I never said and twisted my words to create her own meaning. I was fed up of her behaviour at this point so I completely defended myself and brought her own negative behaviour to light. The group were clearly uncomfortable by the altercation.

She went a step too far for me and I can not be around her/do not want to have to communicate with her anymore. I've spoken with my husband about it and his viewpoint is that I ought to try and be civil and friendly with her for the sake of the friendship group, but I really find it hard to be false and also feel I have to now put up strong boundaries with this person. The thought of sitting around a table with her makes me feel very tense. Things just kept getting worse until she got the uncomfortable confrontation she clearly wanted with me. I think she will just continue to create uncomfortable situations should I continue seeing her.

I've had to distance from the group a little as a result, as I haven't wanted to be in her company. This has been a real shame and I feel quite upset about it. Two women in the group messaged me after the altercation to show their support and stated clearly their shock at her behaviour. They also shared that they too found her very difficult and that what happened was her fault. However, they seem to be all getting along fine and I've had no back-up outwardly from either of them, only privately. If anything, they seem to be meeting up when I am unavailable as if orchestrating my absence.

Is my husband right? Should I tolerate her to try and salvage this group of friends, or do I stick to my boundaries and unfortunately become distanced from the group? Do you think they probably want me out of the social group anyway given that the gatherings appear to be happening when I can't make them?

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BadCovers · 17/02/2024 00:16

I don’t think you should be wasting your mental energy on what others might think or want. Decide if the pleasure you get from the group outweighs the discomfort of being around one individual you dislike.

BadCovers · 17/02/2024 00:16

The two who messaged you clearly derive from enjoyment than annoyance from the status quo.

TheSlantedOwl · 17/02/2024 00:19

Reach out to the women you do like and arrange to meet with them individually or in a three? And explain that sadly due to x’s aggressive behaviour you don’t feel comfortable socialising with her any longer but would absolutely like to stay in contact with everyone else.

Sorry, that’s so crap. She sounds unhinged.

Jingleylamp · 17/02/2024 00:20

The problem @BadCovers is that in one way, they probably feel they need to show more loyalty to her than to me. Because of a separate, yet overlapping situation. There is almost a false friendship between her and two of the others because if there wasn't it could impact something else. This puts her in a more powerful position in the friendship group than I am in. I know that it would be easier for them to exclude me from the group than her.

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SnobblyBobbly · 17/02/2024 00:21

I empathise as I can't be fake either. My M.O is to distance myself from the negativity and make my peace with it.

I've had a similar situation where I clashed with a friend within a wider group and now I meet with the others in different ways, I.e separately with the very occasional whole group meet up which I can handle.

Can you initiate a coffee/lunch with one or two of the others to keep those friendships and manage the situation as a natural progression rather than feeling that you've being forced out/people having to choose?

Maddy70 · 17/02/2024 00:24

You can be polite with her in others company so as to not make them uncomfortable. Don't bad mouth her to others this is an issue between you two and the others dontbwantvto get sucked into your drama continue to see the others as a group and tolerate her as part of it.

Jingleylamp · 17/02/2024 00:25

Yes I could see the others separately. That is definitely workable.
I'm a bit lost with the WhatsApp group however. The lady I clashed with has been very vocal in it recently and I quite frankly don't want to have to hear from or communicate with her but it no doubt looks obvious that I'm the only one not responding to anything she posts. I literally pretend she isn't there but respond to the others and I'm certain this makes the others uncomfortable. I seem to get ignored by all as a result.

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Lighteningstrikes · 17/02/2024 00:33

There are too many undercurrents/false loyalties going on due to the overlapping scenario on top of the problem with her.

I would step away and distance myself.

Anyone loyal and genuine to you will stay in touch with you, and if they don’t, they’re not worth it anyway.

Jingleylamp · 17/02/2024 00:37

Yes I think that's it @Lighteningstrikes . To make it clearer, the lady in question runs a type of sports group which several of the children from our friendship group attend. So they will want to keep her sweet. My children aren't very sporty so have never attended, something she never took personally as she understood as one of the children isn't sporty either. But the others seem to take it quite seriously so there are deeper links with her than with me.

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Jingleylamp · 17/02/2024 00:38

*her children not the children

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Lighteningstrikes · 17/02/2024 00:49

Ah ok, well sadly in that case I’m afraid you won’t stand a chance. She’ll have a very strong hold over all of them.
It’s not worth a putting yourself through a needless battle that’s not worth it now or in the long run.
There are nicer people out there 💐

Aquamarine1029 · 17/02/2024 01:11

Two women in the group messaged me after the altercation to show their support and stated clearly their shock at her behaviour. They also shared that they too found her very difficult and that what happened was her fault.

They are skilled at talking out of both sides of their mouth. I'd be distancing myself because they clearly aren't genuine friends.

cerisepanther73 · 17/02/2024 01:32

@Jingleylamp

There is something pretentious and contrived and two faced about this friendship group
like a keeping up appearances facade for show..

Is this 🤔 really something you want be part of still

Sometimes things change evolve to such extant into something else instead that we longer serves us emotionally and

Maybe have you thought you might have outgrown this grown up version of high school mind games and drama stuff ?

and the others could still be at that age emotionally and secretly saying to you one thing but their actions don't match
they might enjoy the drama in some way duplicitous way,

She sounds like she could be a queen bee type of character too..

cerisepanther73 · 17/02/2024 01:34

@Jingleylamp

What do you think?🤔

Thisoldchestnut · 17/02/2024 01:45

I've been in exactly the same position, it made me feel so sad that my "friends" didn't value me enough to stick up for me, or make the effort to keep me in the loop. I've slowly drifted away from the majority, staying friends with just 3 of them, there wasn't a huge falling out in the end just more of a realisation on my part. Do what you feel is best for you op, compromise but if it starts to occupy too much of your head then walk away with dignity (my "friends " didn't even notice I'd gone tbh). Sad times x

BadCovers · 17/02/2024 08:11

Jingleylamp · 17/02/2024 00:20

The problem @BadCovers is that in one way, they probably feel they need to show more loyalty to her than to me. Because of a separate, yet overlapping situation. There is almost a false friendship between her and two of the others because if there wasn't it could impact something else. This puts her in a more powerful position in the friendship group than I am in. I know that it would be easier for them to exclude me from the group than her.

Again, that’s you thinking about other people, their feelings and potential loyalties — you can do nothing about those. There’s no point in giving it headspace. You can only ask yourself ‘Do I want to continue to be involved in this group or not? Does the good side give me more enjoyment than the bad side gives me annoyance?’

IsawwhatIsaw · 17/02/2024 10:21

Agree with earlier poster, she sounds like a Queen Bee and maybe feels challenged or undermined by you in some way. And the others will defer to her given her power over organising the Sports group .
So what do you want to happen? If you get on with a few of the others, try and see them separately. But it all sounds hard work, and friendship shouldn’t be that

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