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Dorri82 · 06/02/2024 10:21

Put your seat belts on, this is a roller coaster!
I'm exhausted even thinking about writing this.. It's a long one, sorry
I just need to draw on some strength and validation that I'm doing the right thing.

Almost 4 years ago I (41F) met a guy (43M) online. I'd been single for a year and have 1 little girl, she's now nearly 8.
He has 3 boys, now 13,10, and 6. The two elders are from one relationship, the youngest from another.

He was living on his own and had been for around 18 months. We lived 40 miles away from each other ( this is all significant)

When we first started talking, he told me he only had 2 children. I quickly discovered the 3rd and he said that things had been really difficult with his ex and she constantly stopped him seeing his son.

So, we click and really get on well. Same sense of humour and outlook on life (so you think).

Things progress nicely, he's funny, handsome, smart and makes me feel wonderful. The sex was good and he couldn't get enough of me.
Children are introduced after a while and things feel good. We do lots of things together, go places i've never been, i just felt like i'd won the lottery.

I knew he had a really close relationship with his two older boys, and was properly there for them. He had been with their mum for 14 years from about 20. They had grown apart and he ended up cheating, they then split. Their relationship for a long time after was very strained but by the time we met, it seemed to be on good terms.

He then met the last ex, and she got pregnant within a short period of time and by the time the baby was born, their relationship was on the rocks.
He couldn't deal with not being a dad 100% to the two elders. And by his account, didn't have the headspace to bond with the baby, and with their ups and downs he withdrew from it all.

He moved out before the baby was 1, and moved back 5 mins away from the older boys (signicant to the story) But the on/off relationship continued for a while after.

Unbeknown to me to start with, when I met him, they'd only been off for about 2 months. So when she found out he'd met someone, she didn't make things pleasant, berating photo's of me to him about how he'd lowered his standards sorta thing. He would be open about it, but it upset me that he never really told her to stop. It was like he didnt ever want to upset anyone and absolutely hated any kind of conflict. And things continued to be made difficult to see his son.

After a year together, there was talk about living together, but unsure of where that would be because for me to move to him would mean taking my daughter out of school etc, and she stayed at her dad's one night in the week and every other weekend, so the weekly night stays would have to stop.

it was difficult for him to move to me as he didnt want to be too far away from the boys. He had his own business so work wasnt a massive issue.

We kind of just agreed that we would look at it again a bit later.
After about 18 months of our relationship, he surprisingly proposed to me, he'd planned it for 2 months, bought a beautiful ring, took me down to the beach and watched the sunrise and done it there. I was absolutely speechless, it was by far the nicest thing anyone has ever done for me, and of course I said yes.
We both quickly agreed that a small intimate wedding would be what we both wanted and didn't want to have a long drawn out engagement.

3 months after this, he initiated talk about moving in together again. He said he would come the 40 miles to me and just make sure he sees the boys just as much etc.
I was living in a 2 bed house at the time, so we look at moving into somewhere bigger together to accommodate the kids rooms.
We find somewhere (rental) and pack up our separate homes and move in together. It was great for about...... a month! Very quickly i could tell he was super uncomfortable and it felt like my little girl was always annoying him. He would come home from work and sit on the sofa meditating, or go and have an hours bath, or do work, anything to avoid interacting with her really. It felt horrible to me. I think i dismissed it as adjusting, and him probably feeling guilty he was living with someone elses child, and not his own. It was funny because when she went to bed, he would come out of his shell and we'd have a 'normal' rest of the evening.

This is May time- He would arrange work in the week to have the boys still one night a week, and take them for dinner or do something fun (the two older ones) and then we'd all do stuff at the weekends when we had the kids, and they had a room and everything set up for them at the house etc.

By September things had definitely cooled between us, not through my lack of engagement and trying, but he just seemed so withdrawn. He went away with his brother and son for a weekend in Scotland, and while he was there, we had a text conversation about his sister who was getting married. I guess i was looking to test the waters, so I said something about when were we going to start thinking about making arrangements.
The heartbreaking response was- he doesn't know how he feels about getting married. Delving in deeper, he said that he asked me because he wanted me to know how much he loved me, but he didn't really actually believe in all the ceremonial stuff etc.
Of course, I was so upset. I said i needed a few days (he was now on his way home) so he got angry that i was suggesting he didnt come home, he then just went and stayed at the caravan (he has a caravan at a resort) and ignored me all night and the next day until i became so panicked that i end up calling him, and texting to beg for him to come back and that i was sorry (pathetic i know) I just felt so hurt by everything.

He comes back and is very cool, and we talk some more about the marriage idea and there was no definitive answer, his replies were so crap and open. BUT at the time, i was just hopeful things would get better (as you do)

Come October, his middle boy started playing football for a team where he lives and that meant every weekend it would be training Saturday and a match on sunday, meaning that the every other weekends with the kids would be an hour back and forth here there and everywhere to include the football. Logistically, it was going to be hard, but of course i was able to help and it was only 2 weekends a month... but he insisted that even when he didnt have the boys, he would still go to the football and be involved as much as he could. Fine, i get that, but it put more pressure on him and meant our weekends without the kids were kinda no more.

Come November and after a particularly pushaway couple of weeks, we're in bed together and i go to cuddle him, and he just turns away. I'm upset and ask him what's going on, and he tells me he doesnt know how he see's me anymore, whether it be just as a friend, and that he's just confused.
I ask him to go and stay away for a few days because i'm absolutely mortified, i feel ashamed and rejected. It was horrific. He went the next morning and stayed away for 4 nights and in this time i was beside myself but didnt want to talk about it as it was too painful. On the 5th day, I had resigned to the fact that it was over and he would just need to go back to his hometown and that would be it. So I asked him to come and get some things and to start making arrangments. He then said he didnt want to go back, he wanted to work through everything.
I know i should have run away, but I didnt want any of this! So he came back, and the first thing he done was initiate sex while i was still crying about it all. I felt like it was a test to see if he still felt anything. I even asked him afterwards and he said he did. I feel so ashamed now.
But it's not over!!!

We limped on for a few more weeks until he announced he had to go back to his hometown as he couldnt be away from the boys anymore. The crushing grief was enormous... again.
I asked where it left us, he said he wasnt sure but he loved me and needed to just get sorted.

I got straight into practical mode and handed in the notice for the house, looked for another one for me and my little girl, found one, packed and left. And he did the same. We had lived together for 8 months.

We continued to communicate, and i guess i just wasnt ready for it to be over. I know i should have been, a long time ago, but i loved him so much and just thought that if he could be happy in his living arrangements, then maybe it would go back to how it was (stupid!).

He moved 20 minutes away from the boys. He settled, i settled, we had Christmas together, and gradually, we got closer and reconnected again. The football season had finished for a while and the weekends were free, he came to mine once a week, i went to his once a week, we had trips and fun and holidays etc, our sex life was hot and cold, depending on him i guess.
We went to a couples therapy to see how we move forward from here, she said we need a road map, and end to the separatness, that i need to feel secure and commited to.

We carried on for a year like this, then 2 weeks ago he announced that when his tenancy is up on his flat where he is now in May (20 mins away from the boys) he is going back to their estate to be on their doorstep again.

And i know it really hasnt changed much from the last year, but it's what it represents to me. We are back to complete square 1 after 4 years, a proposal, living together, and now it'll be just as it was when we first met.

So many other little things in-between all this mess, like the on/off sex life, the priorities before me (eg fishing), the inability to give me anything concrete to go on. It's just HORRENDOUS!!!! And so, I finally finished it. I'm exhausted and i'm heartbroken and do you know all he said?? "I understand".

I know what a fool i've been. I just need some comforting words please, i'm so sad and above all...... I love him, i really do. I love what i thought it was.

xx

OP posts:
Dorri82 · 06/02/2024 10:37

Edit- He said in a roundabout way for me to go to him would be the best solution, but I dont feel safe to take that risk. I said i'd need more than just a "i'm going back, come if you want to" kind of invitation. I don't trust that if I were to go, he'd just try and run away from whatever it is he tries to run away from. He's happy for it to stay as it is, no pressure, no commitment and love me from afar

OP posts:
VelvetShrimp · 06/02/2024 10:42

Ugh. You're worth so much more. It sounds like he was using you as a gap-filler because he messed up his other options of being with the family he really wanted to be with. His poor youngest child- how dare this man treat him so poorly, and so differently to the older kids, that would kill any attraction stone dead if it were me.

Also, he is a shit man for being involved/living with your child but not actually giving a shit about her, you shouldn't have let that happen. But I guess it happens, when the illusion of a nice family life rears it's head. He couldn't do it though, he's not good.

Please don't go back to him, put you and your child firmly in the position of most important. You don't need him!

Suzi9989 · 06/02/2024 10:50

Pls don't go back to him, you have already been on this awful ride. Time to get off and prioritise you and your dd. Don't waste anymore energy and headspace on him.

CantDealwithChristmas · 06/02/2024 11:11

Oh my god, are you with my ex??
I feel for you because my experience with my ex was so similar. Emotionally unavailable, hot and cold, putting off life decisions, hot and cold on his own kids, I had to do all the emotional work only to be suddenly told that he loved me 'but not in the right way' and moving out without warning.

My experience suggests that if someone cannot emotionally commit or at least be constant then you will always be the one making all the running and doing all the work, seeking crumbs of affection that he deigns to flick your way. That's how I felt anyway. It's no way to have a relationship.

Happyinarcon · 06/02/2024 11:32

There’s probably more to come. He might try to win you over and then go cold again. Men like this want to make their partners feel desperate so they get to feel chased and extra special.

Pipsickle3 · 06/02/2024 14:19

The biggest red flag for me would be his lack of interaction with your daughter. I wouldn’t chase him. He is putting his older boys first which is good. But why is he not considering you? Look at his actions would be my advice. If living together doesn’t work what’s next? Can you limp on with someone who can’t give you everything? Are you going to be worried constantly about him moving the goal posts. He sounds erratic and disorganised. I would start by thinking how you want your life to look without him in it. Then consider if he really fits.

Dorri82 · 06/02/2024 14:53

@VelvetShrimp I know, he goes on about what how he can't breathe without his children, but the youngest is 5 minutes from him and he only sees him once/twice a month. It's all about the two older boys. At first I thought it was all because the ex put barriers in, but he has admitted it's because having the youngest too takes the limelight of his time with the older ones. I'm ashamed to say I was blind sighted for so long. He acts like he's such a good person with high morals and is in to his meditation, peace and serenity practice, but in reality, he's selfish and unable to deal with anything outside of his own wants and needs, including his partner and own child.

@Suzi9989 I'd really like to think I wouldn't be tempted. It's taken a long time to get where I am with it, mentally. I know it would be self sabotaging on so many levels.

@CantDealwithChristmas I'm sorry you went through that too. It's absolutely brutal. Did he try and come back after he left?

@Happyinarcon I doubt it. I think he's probably relieved too. He doesn't have to consider me or my feelings anymore, not that he did hugely anyway. I know it would be difficult if he contacted me so i've removed all connection on social media etc. But if i'm 100% honest, it does hurt too that he was so nonchalant about it, but it makes me realise I was never worth it to him, to prioritise, to fight for, to consider. It makes it more hurtful but easier I guess.

@Pipsickle3 My life looks peaceful, it really does. I ended up living his life, running around after the kids, cleaning the caravan for rental, waiting to know when i was seeing him next, waiting for a message, knowing not to ask for any reassurance on us, walking on egg shells around my daughter annoying him. I've just got to get over this initial bit of sadness and stark realisation, and then I know i'll be so much better for it

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BillionaireTea · 06/02/2024 14:58

He started up with you, moving in. proposing etc, before he had (literally and figuratively) got his house in order with regard to ALL THREE of his children - not just his favourite/easiest ones - all the children he had fathered.
Bin him. He's not a good, responsible man. He's a trivial person.

CantDealwithChristmas · 06/02/2024 15:00

Dorri82 · 06/02/2024 14:53

@VelvetShrimp I know, he goes on about what how he can't breathe without his children, but the youngest is 5 minutes from him and he only sees him once/twice a month. It's all about the two older boys. At first I thought it was all because the ex put barriers in, but he has admitted it's because having the youngest too takes the limelight of his time with the older ones. I'm ashamed to say I was blind sighted for so long. He acts like he's such a good person with high morals and is in to his meditation, peace and serenity practice, but in reality, he's selfish and unable to deal with anything outside of his own wants and needs, including his partner and own child.

@Suzi9989 I'd really like to think I wouldn't be tempted. It's taken a long time to get where I am with it, mentally. I know it would be self sabotaging on so many levels.

@CantDealwithChristmas I'm sorry you went through that too. It's absolutely brutal. Did he try and come back after he left?

@Happyinarcon I doubt it. I think he's probably relieved too. He doesn't have to consider me or my feelings anymore, not that he did hugely anyway. I know it would be difficult if he contacted me so i've removed all connection on social media etc. But if i'm 100% honest, it does hurt too that he was so nonchalant about it, but it makes me realise I was never worth it to him, to prioritise, to fight for, to consider. It makes it more hurtful but easier I guess.

@Pipsickle3 My life looks peaceful, it really does. I ended up living his life, running around after the kids, cleaning the caravan for rental, waiting to know when i was seeing him next, waiting for a message, knowing not to ask for any reassurance on us, walking on egg shells around my daughter annoying him. I've just got to get over this initial bit of sadness and stark realisation, and then I know i'll be so much better for it

No but he tried to stay 'friends' with me and was constantly meddling and interfering in the peropheries of my life until I went No Contact (and told him so).

It was like he was trying to keep me dangling so he could keep his options open in case he ever decided to come back.

People who are emotionally unavailable are like that - they don't want to do the emotional work themselves but they want to know you are there and eager for whenever they do deign to engage.

VelvetShrimp · 06/02/2024 16:13

@Dorri82 your latest post is reassuring - that youve done the real legwork to get distance from him. I'd keep a notebook or a friend to text whenever you feel like you might waver- because he emphatically does not deserve you, and it would be such a shame if he reeled you back in.

For what it's worth he sounds like a joke!! Portraying himself as so connected with his feelings and meditative- but what about the needs of his youngest child?! You are so well rid of him. That is so damaging, for him to put some children on a pedestal and yet not make enough effort with the other one. Sounds like a deeply insecure man who loves having a woman "beneath" him too, waiting for any crumbs of attention. But that's not you, not any more 💪 How lucky, to have your own space and your lovely child and your peaceful life with her to look forward to.

Mainats · 06/02/2024 16:25

Run for the hills, OP. You deserve so much better.

Mainats · 06/02/2024 16:25

Run for the hills, OP. You deserve so much better.

25smallstacey · 06/02/2024 16:33

OP, just didn't want to read and run. You poor thing. Someone lovely is out there and I'm sure the anxiety will ease over time once you're properly free of him.

I bet he will come back and have a plan for when he does, come on here and post if that helps. Good luck x

Zerrin13 · 12/02/2024 00:12

He sounds like a narcissist

MorticiaSand · 12/02/2024 00:51

Block him on everything. There were red flags with him from the start, and the course of the relationship was dictated by his wants and needs. He manipulated you through the proposal and promises. It wasn't real and just suited him at the time. You mention he had two failed relationships, he lost contact with one child, he reported a vindictive ex, he cheated etc. All these are pointers to his character and lack of willingness to stick at anything that isn't convenient to his needs. His lack of involvement with your daughter, his hot-cold behaviour, and his harsh words signal who he is. Feel pleased you never married him and had all that legal mess to dig yourself out of. Focus on you and your child, and stay single while you build resilience against falling for these sorts of men. There are plenty out there, sadly. They will suck the life out of you, given half the chance. Very charismatic and loving at the start, but their true persona is lurking there.

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