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Am I going mad?

21 replies

Theibblis · 02/02/2024 23:10

My partner often tells me I communicate about my feelings far too much. We’ve had some therapy about how we deal with conflict - I’ll be honest, my partner is absolutely impossible to disagree with. I went to therapy to get support in accepting we are different and can have disagreements without it being the end of the world and went under the guise that I thought it would help us both but I had hoped my partner would embrace it and recognise how much his conflict style bulldozes and assumes the very worst. For a bit it helped. I even had personal therapy because my partner was convinced I had just far too many surface emotions. I wondered - am I really sensitive?! My therapists (plural) each encouraged us to stay in the present and remain on the issue. I discovered with my therapist I was quite emotionally aware because of the work I do but we discussed how important it was to me to communicate honestly. My therapist actually was reluctant to discuss my partner much but hinted several times it’s okay to grow apart.
therapy has actually made it worse. I feel even more certain what I feel is okay and can be communicated and my partner is even more certain there’s something wrong with me.
in our couple’s therapy, we were advised to use ‘I feel statements’ and my partner lapped it all up but very much as though it was an opportunity for me alone to learn. Now, whenever I say ‘I feel..’ about something that is a source of irritation, my partner says ‘here we go again, always your emotions and what you feel.’
Recently my partner has been acting in a way I experienced as short tempered. Today in conversation, when repeatedly challenged about if something was ‘up with me’ I said, ‘it’s been my feelings recently that things you’re saying feel like I’m irritating you.’ I even said ‘it’s just a feeling and not factually correct’ and I actually don’t know that but I know how much my partner is irritated by my feelings
My partner stormed out of the room and told me my ‘f-ing feelings were so silly and demanding’. And accused me of ‘refusing to move on’ and just ‘sitting in things’. I had literally just raised it after almost a week and I had withdrawn a little as I didn’t feel I could say anything.
At work my partner text me again to say, ‘sorry if I’ve been rude but can’t you ever accept I’m just tired and be less sensitive’. I actually left my phone in the car to avoid constant messages continuing the argument. When I got in the car later, I was accused of letting my partner worry all day. When I got home and explained, I was told I could have checked my phone but didn’t because I wanted to sit in my feelings. I tried to carry on and not argue because it was clear my partner was angry and it’s pointless at this stage but it went on: ‘I’m so emotional it’s not natural. I only care about myself. I need to get to therapy again and deal with all these feelings.’ The irony is, I do still attend therapy but my partner says this therapist isn’t good and doesn’t really know me.
i didn’t actually express many feelings except that one this morning which was very much just a feeling in response to my partner’s insistence something was wrong…

first: is it possible I am being far too sensitive?
second: or am I simply walking on eggshells and losing my actual backbone/soul/mind here?
third: I genuinely can’t work out what I’ve done wrong.

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Velvian · 02/02/2024 23:14

From what you've described, your partner is expressing plenty if emotion and feeling, anger and irritation, while you're not allowed to express anything.

I'm guessing that you would have a much calmer and peaceful life without him.

Opentooffers · 02/02/2024 23:30

How does one express feelings to someone who has an aversion to dealing with them? Not sure, and its hard to tell if you are bombarding him, or just doing it at a normal rate. Do you talk about your feelings many times a day, daily, or weekly? I'd say a lot of men would take issue with it if it were very frequent, but then men have a higher rate of ASD. Could it be possible he has?
You could try asking your therapist about other ways to express rather than saying the word 'feel'. I know they advise couples to say it, but in this case he's not about to play ball and seems triggered by the word.

mrandmrsrobinson · 02/02/2024 23:32

Your feelings are valid!!

His conflict resolution style is bulldozing??? Will it ever change?? He's even using therapy as a weapon.

CherrySocks · 02/02/2024 23:34

I would say you and he have different communication styles and you do not seem to be compatible.
He is trying to change your style (by wanting you to express less) and you are hoping he will become more sympathetic and empathetic.

jasminegamine · 02/02/2024 23:39

Do you express only the negative feelings? Or do you also express the positive ones?

wellhello24 · 02/02/2024 23:42

He’s minimising, belittling & gas lighting you. He’s trying to make you feel like you don’t matter. He’s abusing you. “You’re too sensitive “ is a classic gaslighting line. Oh and:

“therapy has actually made it worse. I feel even more certain what I feel is okay and can be communicated and my partner is even more certain there’s something wrong with me.”

Id say the therapy has made it better for you. It’s brought you clarity that your feelings are ok and justified and this has angered him because you are moving out of his control and plans to keep you shut down.

The sooner you leave the better.

Aquamarine1029 · 02/02/2024 23:43

You and your partner are wholly unsuitable for each other. Run for your fucking life.

Seasaltsquall · 02/02/2024 23:45

I've been in two relationships like this. Both ended. If you are polar opposites in both your emotional intelligence and in conflict resolution, there's little chance you will ever live peacefully.

DeeCeeCherry · 02/02/2024 23:45

Your man is an impenetrable wall and you'll waste all your good years trying to analyse him, analysing yourself because of him, struggling with no hope of expressing feelings to him. He won't change - but you will. You'll become more and more unhappy. You need to unpack why he's even worth all of this, to you. He doesnt even sound as if he likes you much. Maybe he does some good things but he's an unkind man at heart.

You're disrupting your own peace by staying around him. Perhaps you want to hold on as you've invested time in the relationship, or you're afraid of facing heartbreak. It's a case of feel the fear and do it anyway. You will never be able to feel safe being your true self, with him.

Y0URSELF · 02/02/2024 23:50

CherrySocks · 02/02/2024 23:34

I would say you and he have different communication styles and you do not seem to be compatible.
He is trying to change your style (by wanting you to express less) and you are hoping he will become more sympathetic and empathetic.

This.

you are never going to be compatible, just leave and find someone more suited to you.

PaminaMozart · 02/02/2024 23:55

Stop wasting your time with this man who delights in putting you down and making you question your feelings. You are incompatible.

Having said that, is it possible that all the therapy you've been having is encouraging to wallow in your emotions? Maybe take a break and reflect on what you have learnt?

Being on your own for a while and investing in things that bring you joy might give you some perspective about the qualities you are looking for in a partner.

Theibblis · 03/02/2024 11:12

he loves the positive ones and says how he’s never felt so loved… I practise saying anything that might be perceived as negative. God. I’m crying in the car. How have I become this?!

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Theibblis · 03/02/2024 11:13

We have children together. I have thought so often that I’d be better off alone. I literally cannot afford to leave. And as I am reminded in each argument - the kids will remember I blew it all up.

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Theibblis · 03/02/2024 11:18

I don’t think I’m a wallower, and certainly I’ve never had that said to be by others but I think that’s a valid thing to think about. I think I’m emotionally intelligent - I work with young people in the care system. I actually have supervision in this role. Reflective, yes. Not really a ruminator - unless I find myself here: sat in a car feeling very low about another explosive argument… I’d say I’m ruminating today, alone and with strangers.

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jasminegamine · 03/02/2024 13:12

To me it sounds like you are in an emotionall abusive relationship

Watchkeys · 03/02/2024 13:21

Do you know what an anxious attachment style is, @Theibblis ?

It's when someone makes you feel like you're going crazy, and you analyse the situation to death to try to find who is wrong and who is right, and what you can do to fix the situation, and what they can do to fix the situation, rather than saying 'He makes me feel crazy. I'm going to take steps to distance myself from him.'

You may feel that you can't leave, but you can. You can get support, help, advice, all for free. There will be a way. But you have to stop accepting his view that you are somehow 'faulty', first. You're not. You're totally bog standardly boringly normal. I'm sure there are many ways in which you are special and you stand out, but what you've told us about your feelings in your relationship... there's nothing unusual there. He's treating you badly, and then blaming you for feeling bad about it, whilst neutralising your attempts to improve things. Anybody would feel crazy, in that situation.

Catoo · 03/02/2024 13:40

This man expresses his feelings a lot.
You aren’t allowed to?

You sound so anxious.
Your relationship doesn’t work and sounds like you throw toxic things at each other in front of DC?
You need to start planning how to leave. Probably should start grey rocking him.

So many threads on here with women saying they can’t afford to leave. But take it one step at a time and you will be able to do it. Many have, and many more will. You and DC will be happier for leaving this man.

💐

financialcareerstuff · 03/02/2024 14:13

OP, when you describe your job, I don't doubt your competence and the strength you have on behalf of others....

But in some ways, your job I think makes you extra vulnerable- you are possibly a carer at heart - somebody who wants to ease the suffering of others. Somebody who spend all day thinking about others needs and feelings. This neat mean you are not very practiced about thinking about yourself.

Your partner sounds like the kind of man who loves to be with someone whose default is to care about him, not themselves. And anything that threatens that has to be suppressed and punished (you expressing difficult feelings, you going to a therapist who tells you your feelings matter)

I think you need to start to plan to leave. Good luck!

Therollinghills · 03/02/2024 14:26

financialcareerstuff · 03/02/2024 14:13

OP, when you describe your job, I don't doubt your competence and the strength you have on behalf of others....

But in some ways, your job I think makes you extra vulnerable- you are possibly a carer at heart - somebody who wants to ease the suffering of others. Somebody who spend all day thinking about others needs and feelings. This neat mean you are not very practiced about thinking about yourself.

Your partner sounds like the kind of man who loves to be with someone whose default is to care about him, not themselves. And anything that threatens that has to be suppressed and punished (you expressing difficult feelings, you going to a therapist who tells you your feelings matter)

I think you need to start to plan to leave. Good luck!

This is a really valuable way of looking at things. When you work in jobs that require you to think positively about people in society that most deem 'bad' or 'unfixable' and your job is to care and help try to 'fix' them it can give the impression that everyone can be better or different as long as they try hard enough and have the right help. This is not true.
You are clearly empathetic and caring, and I've no doubt you have a good understanding of the reasons why people can behave in negative ways, but in your personal life you don't have to tolerate being treated in ways that make you feel uncomfortable or upset, especially when doled out by another adult.
I think you know that what he is saying about you isn't right, and you trying to suppress your gut instinct that the issue isn't with you is what is making you feel crazy. You're trying to gaslight yourself to avoid confronting the truth which is as many PP have said, that he is emotionally abusive and conditioning you to only display positive emotions because he's too emotionally immature to deal with any negative ones.

redastherose · 04/02/2024 09:52

Please don't rely upon his word saying you can't afford to leave. Firstly you say partner, are you married? Do you jointly own your home? Secondly, if married see a divorce solicitor to see what share you could expect. You have to remember that things such as pensions, savings only in one parties name all come into the pot. Thirdly, if not married look into what benefits you would be entitled to on your salary and how much maintenance he would have to pay.
Finally, make a plan to leave. This man is squashing the life out of you emotionally, he doesn't want to know your feelings,he's simply not that bothered about you because he's the main star of the show, in his mind you are the supporting act there to serve his needs, looking after, caring, cleaning, children etc.

Don't stay because of the children. If they are small now there are a couple of issues, his behaviour will teach them that this is how you behave to your wife/partner and when they get older and start realising that his behaviour is wrong he will start on them if they won't still act like he's the king of the castle.

Don't fall into the trap of believing that he's a good father, because he plays with them once in a while or buys them things. These do not make him a good parent.

Prelapsarianhag · 04/02/2024 13:58

Mate, he's a cunt. Start planning.

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