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8 months pregnant and rowing with partner

52 replies

Elizabeth7120 · 23/01/2024 23:33

This is my first post and I'm reaching out for advice to other parents/parents to be to try to find out if this is normal and if so how other people have dealt with it. Forgive me if I waffle as there is so much pent up frustration as I've been hiding a lot from my friends and family from fear of them thinking the worst of him.

Since getting pregnant (after both of us wanting a child for a long time) rows have been cropping up more and more with my partner.

For background, He has a lot of fears around pregnancy (after miscarriages with previous partners) and around father's (lack of) rights, which he refuses to talk about and I suspect are at the root of lots of the fights.

I've tried to continually reassure him about both, even signing an agreement he drew up basically saying I would never stop him from seeing our child and would always put baby's well being first. Nothing I have done has lead him to think the contrary.

He is losing his temper more and more, and when any argument arises is getting more and more derogatory and insulting. He throws things in my face I thought we had resolved and keeps going back to this idea that I have some grand Machiavellian scheme to keep our child from him.

Often the argument starts from something really small and his reaction is totally disproportionate.

For example, recently he's had friends over on a Saturday night who have crashed on the sofa after a late one, with both of them sleeping in until late afternoon the next day. When he mentioned a friend would be staying over again recently I asked if if would be possible this time for his mate not to stay as I would really like to be able to relax at home and not have to creep around in the morning whilst they both slept in. I'm 8 months pregnant now, and really suffering from lack of sleep and am exhausted at the end of the day after work.

He went ballistic at me that I had 'the audacity' to ask this and spiralled into calling me all sorts of names and bringing up so many things that had nothing to do with the original request.

When I ask him to calm down, or to not talk to me like that he refused and says I deserve it.

I've tried so many approaches from standing up for myself, taking time outs, trying to explain why his reactions hurt me...but nothing seems to work.

We have amazing times together, and some of our talks, when he's calm, have felt really productive - but he still keeps blowing up in such a nasty way, very often.

I want to make this work, for the good of our baby, as I know he will be a fantastic father and when things are good they are brilliant...but I am at a loss as how to deal with this and avoid this hurtful behaviour.

Any advice greatly appreciated and apologies for such a long post.

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A12348 · 24/01/2024 12:21

Why he is behaving this way is not your concern. If he was concerned about his behaviour due to his past issues HE would CHOOSE to seek help from a professional. Thousands of women do that after experiencing a loss. It is a valid choice.

If he realises his behaviour is affecting him he should opt to seek support from a professional. But he isn’t doing that.

Your role on this earth is not to fix a man with anger issues. If he has fears he can pay to speak to a counsellor. Not use you as his punching bag. If his fears are causing him to abuse you he is not partner material.

But his escalating abuse sounds to me like a common garden cheater sadly.

Few questions - Does he struggle to hold down a job because he abuses his boss? Does he shout at people in public? Or shout at you around other people? If not why? Is it because he can CAN control himself but chooses not to?

Elizabeth7120 · 24/01/2024 13:26

Thank you for your reply x Thankfully I do have lots of friends and family close. He did speak about getting someone to mediate our conversations, so will definitely get him to try to agree to some counselling.
Thank you so much for everyone's support and advice. It's really helped x

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Elizabeth7120 · 24/01/2024 13:28

He has recently had issues at work because he lost his temper. So it's at least not a personal thing.

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Prelapsarianhag · 24/01/2024 13:38

He is abusing you now because he thinks he has you trapped. Think long and hard about putting this vile man on the birth certificate. You will be asking his permission to take your kid on holiday until DC is 18. You can still claim CMS.

Gowlett · 24/01/2024 13:42

Not a personal thing, no. And it’s important to recognise that it’s not you. It’s him. My DH has problems with everyone in his life. With my family, as well. It’s very difficult.

We almost divorced last year. Got through it. But, I don’t know…

SeaToSki · 24/01/2024 13:46

I would suggest you insist on some couples counselling so you can get professional help (make sure you look for someone who deals with anger issues) If he wont engage of refuses to consider the idea, then that says a lot about his willingness to be in a real / honnest relationship with you going forward.

Cas112 · 24/01/2024 14:02

It will only get worse OP, the anger and the projecting

This is also meant to be the most special time of your life and he's ruining it. You need to think very carefully if you think this relationship is healthy and is going to be healthy for your child to be brought up around.

Elizabeth7120 · 24/01/2024 14:25

Thank you. Thankfully I've had therapy before and done a lot of work on myself, so I do release the problems are with him and now me. I hope everything is ok with you too x

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Elizabeth7120 · 24/01/2024 14:26

Thank you

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IggOrEgg · 24/01/2024 14:30

he sounds like an absolute horror, and is following the trajectory of a lot of abusive relationships whereby the abuse starts during the woman’s pregnancy. This isn’t the man I would want to spend my life with, nor is this the example I would want to set to my child of an acceptable relationship. Having worries and anxieties is fine, verbally abusing your partner and doubling down when challenged about that is not.

bracemyselfagain · 24/01/2024 14:32

Nanny0gg · 23/01/2024 23:48

I'm really sorry but that is not 'fantastic father' material

That 'agreement' he made you sign is a) worthless and b) signs of potential coercive control

I think you need to reach out to family

This is not in any way normal, nerves or not

This!

Seek advice and support.
He already has the things in place to bully & manipulate you, if you do decide to leave ... you won't have heard the last of this 'agreement'.

Crunchingleaf · 24/01/2024 14:37

I want to make this work, for the good of our baby, as I know he will be a fantastic father and when things are good they are brilliant...but I am at a loss as how to deal with this and avoid this hurtful behaviour.

I could have written this once OP. I stayed for the good of the baby, that baby is now a teenager who needed counselling for trauma arising out growing up in a home similar to what you describe. He won’t be a fantastic father the signs are already there that he won’t control his emotions which will harm the child even if the anger is only directed at you the child will be harmed from witnessing it. He is choosing to lash out at you and it will get worse. His reasons don’t matter they are just useful tools designed to get you to stay.

bracemyselfagain · 24/01/2024 14:38

And for what it's worth ... I'm truly sorry you're going through this.
This is your first baby ... you deserve peace 🫶

WavingCatsandDogs · 24/01/2024 15:11

I'm sorry you are going through this.

Putting his friends before his pregnant wife. Weaponising issues to get at you.
This is not a loving partner.

I'd worry the agreement will be weaponised too - it's all about what you will or won't do. What about him?
Is there a section on his anger and behaviour?

Good to hear you have support.

Quitelikeit · 24/01/2024 15:18

How long havd you known him?

if you have been together over three years and everything was great I’d say he may well just be frightened

however less than three years then you don’t know this man well enough and his true character is emerging - life of hell and abuse!

Has he recently quit smoking? That can make tempers flare!

note to others - don’t get pregnant in the honeymoon phase it’s far to risky as evidenced on here most days!

user1492757084 · 24/01/2024 15:28

Could your DP be suffering a medical problem like high blood pressure? Is he on steroids or using steroid cream? Ask him to see his GP.
He is behaving out of character and it is not acceptable.
He should be recognising that he is behaving badly and he should be changing his attitude and seeking assitance.

Be prepared to leave if the behaviour doesn't improve.

HalloumiGeller · 24/01/2024 15:32

Wow, he's toxic and that is not acceptable! My OH wouldn't find that acceptable either! His issues are not your problem!

justanotherusername22 · 24/01/2024 15:42

Nanny0gg · 23/01/2024 23:48

I'm really sorry but that is not 'fantastic father' material

That 'agreement' he made you sign is a) worthless and b) signs of potential coercive control

I think you need to reach out to family

This is not in any way normal, nerves or not

Yeah I thought coercive control too, making leaving feel emotionally impossible

Elizabeth7120 · 24/01/2024 20:12

Thank you so much. It's really appreciated x

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Elizabeth7120 · 24/01/2024 20:14

Thank you. To be fair the agreement is worded around both of us, not just me. I spoke to my midwife about it and she said it would be totally redundant if any issues arise regarding the well being of our baby.

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Elizabeth7120 · 24/01/2024 20:16

We've been together just over 3 years, and these issues have only come up during the pregnancy.

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Elizabeth7120 · 24/01/2024 20:18

I just want to thank everyone for taking the time to message and for your support. Just validating that I'm not crazy and this is not acceptable has been so helpful. I've spoken to my family and friends now and have a lot of support, so I know that if I have to leave, I have a lot of love around me and baby to help us get through anything. Thank you all again. And to everyone who has had similar issues, sending so much love.

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Aquamarine1029 · 24/01/2024 20:24

Elizabeth7120 · 24/01/2024 20:16

We've been together just over 3 years, and these issues have only come up during the pregnancy.

Of course they have. Pregnancy is probably the most common time for abusive men to start aggressively abusing their partner. This relationship is never, ever going to survive, and it shouldn't. I guarantee you his abuse is going to keep getting worse.

Kick him out now if you can, do not have him at the birth, do not put him on the birth certificate, and do not give your baby his surname.

To say I am deeply concerned about your safety is a massive understatement. I don't think you really understand how bad things are.

MrsTerryPratchett · 24/01/2024 20:29

He sounds like an angry misogynist. All the men's rights stuff is very worrying. I wouldn't be signing anything that guarantees access and angry, emotionally abusive, paranoid man.

SwordToFlamethrower · 24/01/2024 20:39

The baby cab hear him shouting at you, the baby is affected by the fear YOU feel when he is being abusive towards you.

He is not fit to be your partner or your baby's father.

How dare he!!!