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Silly, stupid situation...anyone make sense of this, please?

13 replies

FallenApart · 18/03/2008 21:17

Name changer, and long.

Mid-40's and been together with DP for just over 10 years. I have two kids from previous marriage, now late teens.

DP and I have a good life in most respects, and have come through some difficult stuff with my exP and with kids growing up. However, sex has always been an issue - he was a late starter and had very limited experience when we met and we have struggled to establish/maintain a satisfying sex life with me generally wanting more practice. We've tried counselling, together and individually, and made little progress.

A couple of years ago he asked me to marry him, and I agreed and we identified a date. As the date grew nearer I realised that I couldn't marry a man who wasn't much interested in sex, no matter how well we might be matched in other areas of our life. So we didn't marry, and carried on much as before - generally OK with occasional spats of anger and frustration, and occasional forays into getting physical, beyond hugs and cuddles.

A while back DP seemed more distant, turning away from me in bed, staying up late on the pc etc. Turns out he was back in internet touch with his 'first love' (from nearly 20 years earlier) and, eventually he told me this, told me it ws doing him no good, and said he wouldn't be in touch with her again. All this explained his behaviour at the time, and I never questioned that he'd do as he said, and break contact.

6 months later, more odd behaviour, and I discover that although he did break contact for a while, he got back in touch with her again and that they were in very regular contact. In the meantime the no-sex thing came to a head and I decided that separation was the best option and we had a few difficult months trying to unpick our joint life, and I was fairly distressed.

It was only when we ended up in a solicitor's office discussing the option wrt the house that the seriousness of the situation seemed to strike home and we began to look at how we might move forward without separating, including how to deal with the sex thing.

Cutting a long story only slightly short, the internet relationship came to an end, and there's been some progress with the sex. However, DP remained very coy about his correspondence with his ex (now married, with kids and far, far away) and he obviously struggled with breaking contact, and I also knew that he held her in some high esteem, first love and all that.

I was already pretty angry at the deception - that for a period of over a year, all the while we were struggling to find solid ground in our life, he was expending hours e-chatting to her and keeping this from me. And then I 'found' the correspondence, which he had sentimentally filed away, and which seemed to confirm things that I had suspected for years - that his discomfort was not so much with sex, but with sex with me, or perhaps, more accurately, with sex that was with anyone other than her. As I read what he'd written my world shifted big time - 10 years struggling with someone who was clearly still deeply attached to someone else, or at least the memory or image of someone else...

So, there's been no contact between them for over 6 months, and he has changed a fair bit, he's probably finally over her, but I just keep falling apart - have I really spent a decade in love with a man who was still in love with someone else? And what kind of fool does that make me?

Can anyone make sense of this? Any advice?

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tensmum · 18/03/2008 21:40

Do you love him? If you are in the slightest unsure then you should (imo) leave him especially as you have no children together. But, that is just my opinion.

FallenApart · 18/03/2008 21:45

Thanks tensmum, for reading and replying! Honest answer is that I don't know how I feel, about him or anything, at the moment - I'm Ok for a few days and then overwhelmed by all sorts of conflicting emotions.

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BoysOnToast · 18/03/2008 21:49

whoa, thats a biggie.

i can well understand you being overwhelmingly hurt/upset about this.

i think you need to MAKE him go to relate/counselling with you and deal with this issue. if he wants to stand a chance of keeping you, he needs to do this. he has undermined you self respect and thats not something easily gotten over.

Tickle · 18/03/2008 21:57

I think everyone has an 'if only' person, that they think about... but it sounds like your DP is rather obsessed with his.

I'm not sure it is going to get better, as you have both tried hard several times to make it work. If you feel you need more intimacy than he can give, I would bundle up some courage and make that break.

Must be horrible confusing for you both

FallenApart · 18/03/2008 22:01

Hi Boys, I'm pleased that you think it's a biggie - I just can't think straight enough to put it into any sort of perspective at all and keep giving myself a hard time for over-reacting, which is why I've posted here. I agree that there's work to be done, and maybe Relate will help, although ironically enough we tried to get into Relate sex counselling some years ago and I got very offended when we were told we'd have to attend some of their regular sessions and concentrate on communicating first. We should probably have taken their advice at the time. He would probably agree to Relate, and does seem more committed to making a complete life together than he's ever been - I'm much less sure about my own commitment though, for the moment at least.

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LoveMyGirls · 18/03/2008 22:03

I used to think dp loved his ex more than me they were only together 2 years and she was his first love, he proposed to her they were at college together etc etc when he met me i had a 2 yr old, a house, bills to pay, baggage by the ton with 2 abusive ex's etc After a few years together I wanted another baby he didn't we ended up in counselling and i really felt like he must have been happier with her because when they were together they had a carefree life etc, we've now been together 6 years we have had dd2 who is almost 3 and still he hasn't proposed but i guess what i'm faffing about at saying is the grass isn't always greener.

I would be really hurt too and with him feeling the way he does about sex it would probably be the end for us but there must have been a good reason you got back together after the break last time?

It's natural to want to feel loved, desired, wanted, men are supposed to want us more than we want them in bed.

Could you see a sex therapist?

QuintessentiallyAnEmptyCave · 18/03/2008 22:04

I think he has most likely overexcagerated her importance in his correspondance with her.

People do that, to butter up the other party, as telling the truth is not going to do that.

Yes, she might have been his first love, and an escapist dream in a rough period, but quite possibly no more than that.

Most cheating me will glorify the new woman and play down the wifey, doest make it right, and this is probably not any consolation to you. But, I dont think you should feel too threatened, and I dont think he has never stopped loving her. Most likely he was just infatuated with the feeling chatting with her again gave him.

Boco · 18/03/2008 22:11

Are you really sure that the sex issue is to do with him still wanting his ex? I mean that could all be fantasy on his part and a convenient excuse to explain to himself his inability to make you happy. He may have had similar problems with her and just have a low libido or some psychological problems that are unresolved and means that he has issues with sex.

It sounds like this other woman is a red herring - more fantasy than reality for him - as you said, she's miles away with a family - maybe he was just developing that internet relationship as an escape as things went wrong. After all, you called off the wedding due to the poor sex before he got back in touch with her didn't you?

It's tricky - you could give it a shot with a sex therapist or relate - it's going to depend on how willing he is to work through his problems and communicate with you.

Good luck with it all.

winniethewino · 18/03/2008 22:12

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FallenApart · 18/03/2008 22:18

Thanks ladies!

I do agree, Q, that there was definately an element of infatuation and escapism during a rough period, and I understand that, however, having read the exchange there were things said that really did begin to make sense of the difficult sexual dynamic between us, where nothing else ever has, and I learned things, significant things, that have never come up in the many conversations we've had over the years. As it happens, I wasn't really played down in the correspondence at all, and he made no mention of what was going on between us at the time, nor was their any suggestion that they might meet except in a maybe-someday sort of way.

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FallenApart · 18/03/2008 22:31

Thanks for the questions - they are making me think, which is a good thing!

Boco, we never quite got to arranging a wedding, just agreeing on a potential date, and I accept that he was disappointed by this, quite naturally too. I should probably not have agreed to marry, knowing that there was this area of doubt between us. We've been up, down and around the sex stuff many times over the years and what was so very revealing in the letters was the unveiling of this sexual being that I found hard to recognise - the letters were very explicit and went into intimate detail about their sex life. OK, they were in their 20's when they were together, and I accept that it's not always so lustful at 35 or 45, and maybe we all look back with some wistfulness at young)-sh) love.

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FallenApart · 18/03/2008 22:32

Thanks for the questions - they are making me think, which is a good thing!

Boco, we never quite got to arranging a wedding, just agreeing on a potential date, and I accept that he was disappointed by this, quite naturally too. I should probably not have agreed to marry, knowing that there was this area of doubt between us. We've been up, down and around the sex stuff many times over the years and what was so very revealing in the letters was the unveiling of this sexual being that I found hard to recognise - the letters were very explicit and went into intimate detail about their sex life. OK, they were in their 20's when they were together, and I accept that it's not always so lustful at 35 or 45, and maybe we all look back with some wistfulness at young (-ish) love.

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NotQuiteCockney · 19/03/2008 07:07

Boco said pretty much what I would have said. If there are big differences between his treatment of her and his treatment of you, I'd suspect they're down to differences in him, iyswim. Rather than anything 'wrong' with you.

How did they break up? Poorly, I'm guessing?

Also, does he know you've read this correspondance? I'm afraid you really do have to tell him, and talk about this ...

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