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Why can't I leave?

15 replies

tulipsinthenight · 08/01/2024 23:58

Really hoping someone can help me or hand hold. This may be a little jumbled.....

Me and dh have been together 8 years, married 5, 2 dc that are not his (he has known them since toddlers.) Our relationship has been up and down since the first year. He doesnt do any household chores, just cooking which he enjoys, the laundry piles up, the house gets filthy, he hired a cleaner for a few weeks then cancelled it as he said they didnt do a good job.

We have had three separations in 4 years, his temper and sulks that last for hours have killed so much of the (massive) love I had for him at the beginning. We have had sex about 4 times in the past year and neither of us initiate or even kiss anymore. I think he would, but i don't feel desired. He has a short fuse. Games in his spare time, for hours, and this is all he does with the dc. We don't argue as much as we once did and have had almost a year of counselling in the past but if we clash over things like parenting (often.. he is strict and pretty rude to them, never plays with them or takes them out but expects perfect behaviour), things happen like last week when he said to me and dc "I'm sick of all of you" and stormed off, shut himself in our room for hours only coming out to berate me. I cant forget about how he used to act when dc were small, shouting at them, not comforting them, and then getting angry at me if I intervened. But he has also been good in a lot of ways - funny, up for adventures, a good provider for all of us which is selfless in a way as they are not his dc. His family are great to us. He still feels familiar, which I worry i am mistaking for love.

I had an EA because I was desperate for someone to pay attention to me (yes, i know it was very wrong) and he wanted to stay together but says he's still angry about it, and brings it up as his reason if he's ever angry. I've tried to talk about divorce/separation and he just cries or is spiteful. I have terrible abandonment problems and panic attacks associated with that, going back to my parents DV and rocky marriage/divorce. I cant live like this. He starts shouting rows with me in our room when i wake up or want to go to sleep, where he uses the f word (as one of my dc said to me, they were on the other side of the door and heard it). He hates my family and they hate him too. Then he will be nice and say he loves me and wants us to be happy together forever. I know at this point it will never work out that way. Except maybe if i changed completely. I'm mid 30s and want another baby, perhaps, but not with him. I want happiness and peace but we have never really had that. He has called me a narc, a sociopath, all kinds. Its like he hates or loves me or resents me. I still get physically anxious if he seems like he is in a mood, or comes into the room angrily.

He is a high earner. I earn literally a quarter of what he does although I work FT. I have health issues which make it unlikely for me to retrain. Dc dad disappeared and doesnt pay child support to me. Financially i would be stupid to leave my husband for any reason except maybe physical violence. Thats how it feels.

The other night I rented a short let near dc school using my secret savings. He has no idea. Today i picked up the keys. I sat in the quiet flat and pictured us there, in this tiny 2 bed flat, and felt so scared, and sad. Now i'm back home and dc are playing and H made dinner as usual and it's familiar and I can have a nap and forget how unhappy I am. I cannot imagine telling dh i was leaving. It feels so terrifying, so final, the thought of it makes me panic.After i had the EA and confessed to H (very quickly), i realised i have become completely unable to be honest and say how i feel or what I want. I think our marriage has helped shut down communication entirely. Even though i dont think he would stop me, i just cant do it. Is that because i still love him on some level? Is it me being selfish, thinking about money and stability? Part of it is and I feel like shit for that.

I have a new place just down the road. WHY can't I leave. I'm so scared that I will be stuck in this forever. We are both unhappy. Surely the money doesn't make up for that, for dc's childhoods. Or does it? I just don't want to fail them.

Why can't i just talk to him and leave? Or why can't I just snap out of this and accept what we have? We have a home, a life, no real money worries. Isnt that what everybody wants? What am I thinking? I feel like a mad woman renting a place and then not even going there.

OP posts:
Gettingbysomehow · 09/01/2024 00:04

Mainly because leaving and striking ut on your own is a colossal pain in the ass and a load of hassle so people just hang on and hang on.
You need to leave though asap because you are destroying your children with this relationship.
Start today.

Quitelikeit · 09/01/2024 00:05

Op

You do not need to tell him you are leaving yet.

Well done for getting this far but please please think about your lovely children and how this man is sowing the seeds of abuse and toxicity into their childhood, ruining their upbringing and hurting their mummy.

Would you tell your daughter to stay with a man like this?

He is cruel and abusive and you know this - money is not everything and always remember you can choose who to bring into your life the children get no say in it and rely upon you to do your best in that regard.

Open up
to your friends and family, keep talking to them - leaving is so hard even when they’re awful - it’s that attachment but it needs to be broken in order to end the abusive cycle

you can do this

DustyLee123 · 09/01/2024 06:48

You need to leave for your kids. They will grow up thinking that your relationship is normal.

Cherrysoup · 09/01/2024 06:59

Think about the effect this is having on your poor kids then think again about why you haven’t yet left.

Ohyeahwaitaminute · 09/01/2024 07:04

You’ve taken a huge step in renting somewhere. Just follow it through…

Talk to family and friends… they will help you.

Well done for recognising the situation and the fact it can’t improve. Just put one foot in front of the other… and repeat. As others say, you need to get out for the children.

Your post reminded me of this:

https://medium.com/age-of-empathy/the-cycle-of-abuse-bbd4d909f90e

Flattening the Tire On The Cycle Of Abuse

And how it keeps on rolling…

https://medium.com/age-of-empathy/the-cycle-of-abuse-bbd4d909f90e

FFSgetagripoldlady · 09/01/2024 07:05

Your post made me feel so hopeful. You've done so much of the really hard stuff and got a place for you and your kids to move to. That is the bit that so many can't do for £/ emotional reasons. Can you imagine your kids and you in the new place where you are all safe? Away from moods, threats of violence and shouting? Even if you're all just having toast for dinner. You have an escape route and nobody gets to tell you that you shouldn't use it.
Good luck.

Tonight1 · 09/01/2024 08:28

Do you own the house together?

Maray1967 · 09/01/2024 08:59

Take your DC and go. He is ruining their lives.

It must be awful growing up in this atmosphere. The flat felt weird because it was empty and quiet. Picture it with the three of you in, lively and happy. I’d be willing to sleep on a sofa bed and give my DC a room each and get out of a bigger house to get away from this awful life.

femfemlicious · 09/01/2024 09:11

I think he is not suited to being a stepfather. Why did you marry him in the first place when he wasn't good with your children?.

Tonight1 · 09/01/2024 09:16

You don't have any pressure on you; you could start moving some personal effects over slowly, now you have somewhere to escape to.

Take your time then plan move date.

Opentooffers · 09/01/2024 09:52

As an adult, how much time have you spent 'not in a relationship '? Sometimes it can just be fear of being alone. It can be a strong fear, but anyone who has gone through it will tell you that being on your own is far better than the misery of being with the wrong person. It's also the best way to get to know yourself and what you like.
You seem to hanker for dependency which is not good. Why even consider bringing another child into your world? You really have not done well by the 2 you have so far, subjecting them to STBX for years of their childhood. I think you are daydreaming that a baby equals a man taking care of you, whereas many will tell you, and reality as shown you, that this is not the case.
You are too young a generation to desire to chuck your independence and pass all control to a man. It won't be love keeping you there, it's dependency. Until you find your own way, you won't find any worthwhile man.

Tonight1 · 09/01/2024 10:06

Just imagine having some peace and quiet from him!

MKeegs · 09/01/2024 12:36

Think of your children. Do you want them growing up thinking your relationship and how their step father treats them is normal? If you have a daughter, would you want her to end up with a man like your H? A son, would you want him to treat his future partner like this? And their future children, your grandchildren, would you be happy if they had someone like him in their lives treating them this way.
Leave before it's too late.

tulipsinthenight · 11/01/2024 19:14

Thanks everyone for the responses. I have been doing a lot of thinking the past couple of days. I got some bits and took over some stuff to the new place and have been spending time there on my own in the daytime before picking dc up (i work remotely so lucky to be able to do this.)
Christmas was so, so bad - a couple of bad arguments including when my family were staying with us, going back over my previous emotional affair, my mum taking me aside and saying it was time for me to leave him - but since then, things have been fine, H has been quite sick and quiet and he hasnt started rows, he has just been very needy asking if i still love him, etc. And the weird thing, as i said in my op, is that I think maybe i do a bit - or maybe its just familiarity. He really isnt nasty all the time (although the intermittent nastiness has been quite consistent over time, not that i am perfect). He is a good provider and he does do all the cooking albeit not much else. He has always maintains he loves me and dc and we are his everything.
I just dont think i can ever feel the same way about him again. its like a switch has flipped. Does that make sense? Like the lights have been turned on. I cant imagine having sex with him, or feeling deep love for him, and i dont want another child with him, ever. While he has been sick it has mainly irritated me, which i know is horrible. People say we could get it back with counselling but we did do counselling for about a year previously. And for me it more feels like a loss of love and desire and respect.
Im just so afraid i will regret this.
But, baby steps. I feel ridiculous having a secret apartment i'm kind of moving into, but it seems like the only way to psyche myself up to it.

OP posts:
emmylousings · 11/01/2024 20:02

The answer to most your 'why' questions is; you are afraid of him (this is hard to admit) and not sure what he might be capable of (also hard to admit), and you believe deep down, that your DC will have a better life away from him (despite their resources).
Your gut / heart - whatever we want to say - is telling you that you do not feel safe and don't want to live like that. I think you should trust that, and keep going. You sound really strong and together.

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