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My heads a spaghetti junction help !

18 replies

lanza11 · 04/01/2024 15:21

No idea where to start so this will probably seem all over the place. I’m now at the point where I feel I don’t actually know my own mind or feel I’m capable of making a decision. I also can’t work out if I’m actually the problem so I’ll be as honest as I can.

Background -
met when I was 16 he was 20 together ever since no breaks and lived together within months. 4 children oldest is away at Uni the other 3 - 13.11.9 are still at home.
I had a crap childhood and basically went from there straight to this relationship. Warning signs were all there but being a teenager who thought she knew it all and having no one decent around me to guide me I stayed and now I’m 38 I want out.

Husband in early days was in continuous trouble with the law, prison, fighting drug taking etc. He had no qualifications and couldn’t really read much. So I got us out the area as a starting point and started teaching him how to read and understand things better. I got him his cscs card for building sites and got him a job. He lasted around 2 years then stopped and was unemployed since 2011 to 2019. I have always worked hard so was always able to cover everything financially . And during most of that he couldn’t cope with the children so at least 1 or 2 of the children would be in either nursery or after school club that I had to pay for and I’d have to collect while he sat at home smoking cannabis. I’d come home dinner would be made most times but the full housework on top of working full time was on me. Bath times and up during night with kids all me, parents night, extra curricular clubs all me. Christmas, birthdays, Easter, holiday, school uniform. I organise all mostly pay for all, wrap everything and arrange it all. All family days out mainly involve me paying and taking the children.

Now over the years he hasn’t liked my friends so it was easier to come away from them. Didn’t like me going out so I don’t. Still with the ages of children cannot cope being left on his own so i cannot really go anywhere on my own. Comments on programmes I watch, how I cook things, how im cutting the grass so on so forth. Tells me I’ll need to quit my f** king job as he’s sick looking after the kids I also work a Saturday so he needs to have them then. He gaslights me, doesn’t ever listen to anything and no matter what goes wrong it’s my fault. I’ve asked him not to smoke cannabis and go off on his swearing racist homophobic misogynistic rants. I also do not like his mother she’s a huge trouble maker and his family is mostly estranged and most of his siblings do not talk to the mother. I’ve told him calmly I get Ill at the thought of having to see her and that I’d rather not. He makes me go even though it upsets me no end I’m told I’m going end of. He now has a job although he’s barely full time and doesn’t give me half towards the bills but bizarrely believes everything we have is down to him, when in fact every single thing we have is because of me.

Now before marriage and children he cheated a few times on me and I did once acting like a silly little girl to get back at him but I admitted it. But I was a teenager at the time and as far as I know he hasn’t since and I definitely have not.

This last 18 months has not been good his father and sister passed away neither of which he was close to however it sent him over the edge more so than normal. He’s been erratic super nasty, to me my children and random strangers. I just want to live in my home with my children and never ever live with another man in my life.

But here’s the doubts I question myself also I’ll say why -
I cannot abide his mother and don’t want to go over (I do not call her names, write stuff on social media etc stuff she’s done) so I think I’m unreasonable due to my behaviour also.

because of his behaviour and the grief still being a big thing and mentioned every day, I’m struggling to find sympathy at this point I’m sick of it. So again thinking it’s me again possibly not caring as much as I should.

some days I’m adamant I’m done I know there’s no coming back. Then others I think he’ll be so sad so will my son he won’t cope. I do everything for him and I don’t say that lightly I worry he won’t cope. I worry all the nastiness etc as he’s a scary man and has a nasty mouth.

My heads an utter mess has anyone been in a similar position ? Did you get out how are things now ? I guess I’m just so scared and I just want it all over I truly do. We can have good days but then I remember it’s because he’s got good weed, so it’s a fallacy.

If you got this far well done ! And please please refrain from being nasty. Im looking for constructive responses or to hear from others who are or were in a similar situation 💗

OP posts:
Nicaced10 · 04/01/2024 16:04

I think from reading you aren’t the issue. I actually think he’s been extremely lucky to have you,

you need to be happy and you just need to believe that inside ! That you deserve to live in a way which makes you happy. Start by getting yourself stronger and see this through.

lanza11 · 04/01/2024 16:20

Thank you ! I know I think just knowing the war it’s going to cause. But you’re right I can’t go on like this x

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jeaux90 · 04/01/2024 16:25

OP we don't sacrifice our lives at the alter of marriage.

It should be a partnership.

Let me say this as a lone parent for over 10 years....my life is very peaceful. Busy, yes as I work full time but I'd rather be on my own than in your situation any day of the week.

Your children are being taught a dysfunctional and emotionally abusive relationship dynamic.

End it for all your sakes.

What is the property situation? Rented/owned whose name etc

AttilaTheMeerkat · 04/01/2024 16:33

You indeed cannot go on like this and nor for that matter can your children.
What do you want to teach them about relationships and what are they learning here?.

Your own childhood set you up good and proper into being with this man now. That was the fault of the adults who let you down abjectly. Your boundaries, skewed as they are already through poor life experience, are being further eroded by your now H. He targeted you and deliberately so to boot when you were a mere 16 years old. He saw you also as someone who could be easily manipulated. Giving you spaghetti head is par for the course in an abusive relationship; the nice/nasty cycle of abuse he shows you is a continuous one.

No-one's ever bothered to show you what a mutually respectful and loving relationship is like and you still do not know even now. Your children certainly do not know what this is either so do not further do your bit here to keep on showing them this abusive role model of one.

How can you be helped into leaving your abuser?. What is the situation re the finances and property?. He is not going to let you go at all easily because he is abusive and will remain so post divorce from him. You need legal advice asap and I would also contact Womens Aid and the Rights of Women organisations; the latter can give some legal advice.

lanza11 · 04/01/2024 16:42

jeaux90 · 04/01/2024 16:25

OP we don't sacrifice our lives at the alter of marriage.

It should be a partnership.

Let me say this as a lone parent for over 10 years....my life is very peaceful. Busy, yes as I work full time but I'd rather be on my own than in your situation any day of the week.

Your children are being taught a dysfunctional and emotionally abusive relationship dynamic.

End it for all your sakes.

What is the property situation? Rented/owned whose name etc

The property is bought in my name only but I’m aware with marriage he has claims. However he wouldn’t take my house, I don’t want maintenance I don’t want anything so hopefully it won’t cause issues financially.

I just need to get over the final hurdle and get the guts to see it through.

OP posts:
lanza11 · 04/01/2024 16:49

AttilaTheMeerkat · 04/01/2024 16:33

You indeed cannot go on like this and nor for that matter can your children.
What do you want to teach them about relationships and what are they learning here?.

Your own childhood set you up good and proper into being with this man now. That was the fault of the adults who let you down abjectly. Your boundaries, skewed as they are already through poor life experience, are being further eroded by your now H. He targeted you and deliberately so to boot when you were a mere 16 years old. He saw you also as someone who could be easily manipulated. Giving you spaghetti head is par for the course in an abusive relationship; the nice/nasty cycle of abuse he shows you is a continuous one.

No-one's ever bothered to show you what a mutually respectful and loving relationship is like and you still do not know even now. Your children certainly do not know what this is either so do not further do your bit here to keep on showing them this abusive role model of one.

How can you be helped into leaving your abuser?. What is the situation re the finances and property?. He is not going to let you go at all easily because he is abusive and will remain so post divorce from him. You need legal advice asap and I would also contact Womens Aid and the Rights of Women organisations; the latter can give some legal advice.

House is bought in my name only. Money is no issue I’ve savings I’ve a good job I won’t need maintenance. I don’t need him for anything if I’m honest.

The issues round leaving are genuinely being terrified of the fall out. All the drama and nastiness and my son although my children see it my son adores him. But it can’t go on and I’m gearing up to do it this year. But I’m so scared and I think I wanted people to tell me if I’m right it’s him and it’s not me as I doubt myself so much.

luckily I’ve dedicated myself to my children who have turned out kind, clever, funny and well adjusted. But they are aware of his behaviour and know it’s not correct.

But for their sake they need a happy mum and I just pretend to be one 😞

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NicholJO · 04/01/2024 17:16

Hi op very similar situation but no cannabis. I know exactly how you feel cut long story short my upbringing was atrocious I got involved with a man 17 years older than me when I was 14 had 17 years 5 children he was controlling lazy violent emotionally and mentally and beat me black and blue I lost contact with all my family and friends he didn't like them his family was the same they was horrible and evil it took me years to leave him he was all I knew but honestly op if I can do it so can you I'm not going to lie it's hard but I did it even though I had no support the children hated me for a while but they got over it my children was 14, 13, 11, 9, 1, at the time good luck op x

AttilaTheMeerkat · 04/01/2024 17:20

it’s not you, it’s him and he targeted you deliberately.

Pursue a maintenance claim going forward for each of your children as a part of your divorce settlement. That money is for your them and he is financially responsible for them. You need legal advice here pronto re all aspects of separation and divorce. You do not have to act on it immediately but knowledge here is power.

This man is a bully and all bluster really but he can and will further get into your head. he cannot be allowed to further get into your kids years, they have heard and seen more than enough already. Trying to protect them from his abusive nature whilst you are all under the same roof is impossible.

Gerwurtztraminer · 04/01/2024 17:47

I just need to get over the final hurdle and get the guts to see it through

Yes you can do it. You've put up with so much since you were 16, you are able to do this too. It's normal to worry about the fallout, to be scared. But you can do it.

You've listed so, so many reasons to leave, from cheating, smoking weed and leaving you to carry the family load through 7 years of unemployment, cutting you off from friends, constant criticism and not valuing you, is racist, homophobic, misogynistic. Most women wouldn't stay for even one of those reasons.

But as Attila says, your background set you up for this relationship and your partner has done a lot to create the 'spaghetti' head.

As for your son adoring his Dad. Well kids are pre-programmed to love even the worst of parents. Even children from horrendous abuse still love their parents which is what makes those cases so incredibly sad. Also sometimes being so 'adoring' is because a child instinctively doesn't trust that the parent's love for them is deep and true, so child, frightened & insecure, goes to the other extreme to create a bond. Whereas they may appear far less adoring to you as 'just' Mum because they know your love is genuine and solid and you don't need to be up on a pedestal.

Believe in yourself that you can support your son through a break up, telling him age appropriate information as you go along. At 9 or 11 or whatever he won't be oblivious to the atmosphere and what his father is really like. Kids are not stupid no matter how 'adoring'. Good luck OP.

lanza11 · 04/01/2024 18:30

NicholJO · 04/01/2024 17:16

Hi op very similar situation but no cannabis. I know exactly how you feel cut long story short my upbringing was atrocious I got involved with a man 17 years older than me when I was 14 had 17 years 5 children he was controlling lazy violent emotionally and mentally and beat me black and blue I lost contact with all my family and friends he didn't like them his family was the same they was horrible and evil it took me years to leave him he was all I knew but honestly op if I can do it so can you I'm not going to lie it's hard but I did it even though I had no support the children hated me for a while but they got over it my children was 14, 13, 11, 9, 1, at the time good luck op x

God love you that sounds awful 😢 I bet when you were younger you pictured the perfect little family I certainly did.

It’s sad how everything works out. He hasn’t hit me but doesn’t stop me being terrified of him. I also really do feel for him as he’s broken and will have nothing . But equally he’s an adult and needs to sort himself I just keep reminding myself.

Reading this has made me realise I can do this the fall out I just need to take it not rise or respond snd surely he’ll move on.

I hope you’re finally happy and content now 💗

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lanza11 · 04/01/2024 18:34

AttilaTheMeerkat · 04/01/2024 17:20

it’s not you, it’s him and he targeted you deliberately.

Pursue a maintenance claim going forward for each of your children as a part of your divorce settlement. That money is for your them and he is financially responsible for them. You need legal advice here pronto re all aspects of separation and divorce. You do not have to act on it immediately but knowledge here is power.

This man is a bully and all bluster really but he can and will further get into your head. he cannot be allowed to further get into your kids years, they have heard and seen more than enough already. Trying to protect them from his abusive nature whilst you are all under the same roof is impossible.

No I know ! My children luckily have all followed my lead and views and frequently call him out or correct him. But you are correct my children shouldn’t have been in this situation to see and hear their parent like that.

Im actually going to see a lawyer in two weeks I have an appointment. I want out this year ! But by god I’m terrified ! And not for reasons I see on here like money, being lonely etc I’m just so scared of conflict it’s pathetic really.

But I need to remind myself I can do this ! X

OP posts:
lanza11 · 04/01/2024 18:39

Gerwurtztraminer · 04/01/2024 17:47

I just need to get over the final hurdle and get the guts to see it through

Yes you can do it. You've put up with so much since you were 16, you are able to do this too. It's normal to worry about the fallout, to be scared. But you can do it.

You've listed so, so many reasons to leave, from cheating, smoking weed and leaving you to carry the family load through 7 years of unemployment, cutting you off from friends, constant criticism and not valuing you, is racist, homophobic, misogynistic. Most women wouldn't stay for even one of those reasons.

But as Attila says, your background set you up for this relationship and your partner has done a lot to create the 'spaghetti' head.

As for your son adoring his Dad. Well kids are pre-programmed to love even the worst of parents. Even children from horrendous abuse still love their parents which is what makes those cases so incredibly sad. Also sometimes being so 'adoring' is because a child instinctively doesn't trust that the parent's love for them is deep and true, so child, frightened & insecure, goes to the other extreme to create a bond. Whereas they may appear far less adoring to you as 'just' Mum because they know your love is genuine and solid and you don't need to be up on a pedestal.

Believe in yourself that you can support your son through a break up, telling him age appropriate information as you go along. At 9 or 11 or whatever he won't be oblivious to the atmosphere and what his father is really like. Kids are not stupid no matter how 'adoring'. Good luck OP.

Thank you 💗 that’s it I think I need to daily remind myself my reasons why are valid. I’ll accept I’m not perfect but I’ve definitely not caused this.

And you’re right as long as I remain calm at times snd be open with the kids within reason we could make it work. Main concern is coparenting etc but I’ll drive myself insane trying to preempt every single scenario.

X

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HarrietStyles · 04/01/2024 18:49

I’m am so rooting for you @lanza11 you can have the strength to leave him and have a better peaceful life for you and the kids. You’ve had so much strength to put up with him for all these years, you have the strength also to end this. Yes he will likely get nasty…… but see this as a temporary difficult year or two, in order to achieve a wonderful 50 years without him! It’s so worth it.

NicholJO · 04/01/2024 18:55

Hi op thank you yes I'm very happy now and honestly you can be too I felt sorry for him even after we broke up he was put into a bail hostel about 35 miles away due to dv on me I still felt sorry for him and yes I went to see him on the train I gave him money this lasted for about 3 months you see as he was all I ever knew he new how to work me I didn't know me how to work me but because I wasn't seeing him everyday I learned how to be me how to be stronger and 11 years Down the line I'm with a good partner 2 more beautiful children it's not easy op I sent hundreds of pounds travelling to see him and I was angry with myself after I relished what I fool I was x

lanza11 · 04/01/2024 19:03

HarrietStyles · 04/01/2024 18:49

I’m am so rooting for you @lanza11 you can have the strength to leave him and have a better peaceful life for you and the kids. You’ve had so much strength to put up with him for all these years, you have the strength also to end this. Yes he will likely get nasty…… but see this as a temporary difficult year or two, in order to achieve a wonderful 50 years without him! It’s so worth it.

Thank you 💗

OP posts:
lanza11 · 04/01/2024 19:04

NicholJO · 04/01/2024 18:55

Hi op thank you yes I'm very happy now and honestly you can be too I felt sorry for him even after we broke up he was put into a bail hostel about 35 miles away due to dv on me I still felt sorry for him and yes I went to see him on the train I gave him money this lasted for about 3 months you see as he was all I ever knew he new how to work me I didn't know me how to work me but because I wasn't seeing him everyday I learned how to be me how to be stronger and 11 years Down the line I'm with a good partner 2 more beautiful children it's not easy op I sent hundreds of pounds travelling to see him and I was angry with myself after I relished what I fool I was x

I’m glad for you and well done for finding your feet and being strong enough !

And thank you for replying xx

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ProjectsGalore · 04/01/2024 19:16

You are not the problem here op......

NicholJO · 04/01/2024 23:25

Op please pm me if you need to I appreciate MN is a forum help and advice but some of these lovely ladys have not been in our situation they give brilliant advice but it's only somebody who has been there been through it that really knows xx

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