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Am I heartless? TW; Miscarriage

48 replies

HeartlessSILAmI · 01/01/2024 11:45

My SIL had a miscarriage.

I didn’t know about it at the time though. Instead SILs behaviour changed, she became possessive of my DC demanding to have them overnight on the weekends they weren’t with ExH, demanding to do school runs, telling me I need to cancel wraparound so she could do childcare. I backed off and kept my DCs routine normal.

So SIL then convinced my mum I was the one with Mental Health Issues and that I was the issue, stopping her and Brother seeing DC. She also tried to convince ExH of this, and tried to persuade him to go for full residency (we have a court order anyway although we rarely stick to it as we agree it between us) and telling him she’d help out and do 50% because my mental health was the one going down the pan.

And she almost managed to persuade them. And ExH was preparing the court papers (he’d told me this) and I was prepping to prove I was stable enough to keep residency of my DC (I do have MH issues mainly anxiety and depression but I am generally well managed with a mixture of antidepressants, regular gym and swimming sessions and some private counselling when I feel I need it) but then SIL went off on an angry rant at ExH in front of DC, I don’t know exactly what about but ExH said it was mostly vitriol aimed at his very lovely girlfriend who DC adore (she is genuinely one of the nicest people I’ve ever met) but it opened his eyes to what SIL was doing and he decided to cut contact with them and they’ve never been in the same room as my DC since -this was about 3 months ago.

My mum still believes I have mental health issues and I am the problem, but I keep her and DBro and SIL at arms length.

Apparently this makes me heartless because of the miscarriage, I found out about it once ExH cut them off to, apparently I’ve convinced ExH that they’re the issue and it’s my problem not theirs and it’s only a matter of time until things come crashing around me. I am depriving my DC of a family (they have ExHs, he has a sibling who has DC and also a cousin whom he’s close to who has DC the same age as ours) and they’re trying to take me to court to force overnights even if that means me and ExH lose residency.

I’m not in the least bit worried by their threats, but am I heartless for not wanting them to be possessive over my DC almost to replace their own? My heart goes out to both of them, I’ve had a miscarriage myself but it didn’t give me the right to take over parenting someone elses DC and I believe I am right to not want to confuse my DC in that way, my DC are upper primary age for context.

OP posts:
Toastcrumbsinsofa · 07/01/2024 17:10

I think your ex has the right idea by keeping your DC away from your toxic family. You need to do the same. The children need safeguarding from emotional harm towards them and both their parents.

xyz111 · 07/01/2024 17:13

Your children 100% do NOT belong to everybody. And even if you relented and sil had them overnight, I wouldn't trust her at all, who knows what she could be doing!! Just keep sticking to your guns op, it's good you and ex DH are on the same page. Just don't engage with them.

InAPickle12345 · 07/01/2024 17:23

Well they're all talking shit OP, your children are yours, and they have absolutely no right or claim to them. They all sound fucking unhinged

LakeTiticaca · 07/01/2024 17:55

Solicitors letter warning her to stop with the lies and defamation of your character and a restraining order

NeverDropYourMooncup · 07/01/2024 18:01

HeartlessSILAmI · 07/01/2024 16:30

@NeverDropYourMooncup I can't move, ExH lives nearby, we have a Child Arrangements Order and although we don't stick to it and make our own arrangements it wouldn't be fair to ExH to basically stop his contact with DC.

Didn't say you had to keep him away. It's your family that's gone batshit crazy, not him (even if he was bloody gullible in the first place to believe them until they started on his girlfriend).

If far away isn't acceptable, five miles in the opposite direction without telling them where you are - all of them - should suffice.

Bleepbloopbluurp · 07/01/2024 18:08

they don't "belong" to me, they belong to everyone.

Absolute bullshit. You (and your ex husband) are responsible for the welfare of your children. Everyone else might want to spend time with them, but the buck stops with you and that includes being able to decide that your DC are better off not spending time with people who are not behaving rationally.
I'd be making that very clear to the rest of the family.

Consideringachange2023 · 07/01/2024 18:16

I don’t understand why you wouldn’t just tell your family to back off (putting that politely). You don’t need them for childcare and aren’t asking them for anything so no, you don’t need to placate them or “share”. Absolutely ridiculous.

Just reply to every message / phone call with “my children are not a possession to be shared, please stop”. And just reply the same every time.

They can think and say whatever they like but you don’t have to listen and don’t have to reply. I certainly wouldn’t be.

Epidote · 07/01/2024 18:21

The fact they had a miscarriage or whatever traumatic experience doesn't trump or give them a withe check to be arseholes.

I don't know why some people get confused and think that just because they have been through some really bad stuff they can get away with everything or make other people life a hell. That is still abuse.

None of them had parental rights to your kids. If the are a PITA just block them.

The only ones to have a say are you and the father of the kids.

Sorry to be this blunt but your SIL behaviour is been very disgusting and abusive.

Seaoftroubles · 07/01/2024 18:23

I would go no contact with all of them, you can let them know why but then block them on everything. Your children do not belong to all of them, that is just nonsense.

Saschka · 07/01/2024 18:30

I’ve had multiple miscarriages, and your SIL is a fucking unhinged bitch.

I would never have any further contact of any description with anybody who tried to encourage my ex to take me to court to end my contact with my children. And I would be LC with anybody who disagreed with that decision. Block the lot of them, that witch tried to have your children taken off you. Like fuck would I be taking them round to her house to play happy families.

Maray1967 · 07/01/2024 18:33

I’ve had 3 mcs. That didn’t give me the right to demand access to my niece and nephew. I’ve never read anything more ridiculous.

You need to push back on this and keep your DC safely away from this very strange behaviour.

Duckingella · 07/01/2024 18:35

So essentially your batshit SIL wants her and your brother to be your children's parents instead of you and your ex?

TigerJoy · 07/01/2024 18:37

Good lord. This is insane.

No-one's miscarriage entitles them to another person's children. This is profoundly worrying.

As others have said I wouldn't let either of your parents see your kids either.

ChocolateCinderToffee · 07/01/2024 18:38

Do both your parents know about the miscarriage?

RancidRuby · 07/01/2024 18:38

They don't "belong to everybody", they have two parents and whilst it's lovely and positive for children to have close relationships with members of extended family, it's only lovely and positive if the family members in question aren't batshit crazy.

pickledandpuzzled · 07/01/2024 18:38

HeartlessSILAmI · 07/01/2024 17:07

@MooQuackNeigh He knows the full story but still says he can see both sides and I can be selfish with my DC as they don't "belong" to me, they belong to everyone.

point out they don’t belong to anybody. They aren’t yours, either.

You and their dad are responsible for them, and won’t be letting other people squabble over them.

CandyLeBonBon · 07/01/2024 18:41

She's absolutely unhinged. Is there a danger she'd try to collect them from school or anything bonkers like that? If there's even a sniff of anything like that, I'd be warning school etc

HeartlessSILAmI · 07/01/2024 18:42

ChocolateCinderToffee · 07/01/2024 18:38

Do both your parents know about the miscarriage?

@ChocolateCinderToffee My mum definitely does as she's the one that told me in a "Do you know why their behaving like this?" way and when I told her its not excuse she said she was worried about me and my mental health.

OP posts:
HeartlessSILAmI · 07/01/2024 18:44

CandyLeBonBon · 07/01/2024 18:41

She's absolutely unhinged. Is there a danger she'd try to collect them from school or anything bonkers like that? If there's even a sniff of anything like that, I'd be warning school etc

@CandyLeBonBon Due to the CAO school want a password everytime someone other than me/ExH pick them up and I change this everytime it's used and only tell the person picking up right before they're due to get them and ExH has to ask me for the password if he's sending someone other than himself so I can always question him on who/why.

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BeingATwatItsABingThing · 07/01/2024 18:45

I would be cutting them out of my life. Your SIL tried to have your children taken away from you because you wouldn’t give in to her demands. Miscarriage or not, that’s not acceptable behaviour. They’re your children with ex. Your mum, brother and SIL have no rights to them.

I’ve had a miscarriage. I was heartbroken and finding out about other people’s pregnancies was incredibly hard. At no point did I try to essentially steal other people’s children!

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 07/01/2024 19:08

Your SILs behaviour is extremely concerning and you are doing everything right here.

I can't have kids and often think I would be a great mum. Life isn't always fair but she'll have to find a way of dealing with it but bloody hell she is unhinged and dangerous.

She genuinely needs help, not you.

CandyLeBonBon · 07/01/2024 20:34

Thank goodness for that op

GreyCarpet · 07/01/2024 20:46

they don't "belong" to me, they belong to everyone.

Actually, I'd argue that they don't 'belong' to anyone. They're people and not possessions.

You and your ex have Parental Responsibility though and this gives you the right to make decisions on their behalf in their best interests and for their well being.

For all the reasons you've already stated, you don't believe that contact with your brother and his wife is in their best interests currently.

There have been some good suggestions on what to say upthread.

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