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Why are my boundaries so shit with men I like?

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Whyamilikethis41 · 25/12/2023 23:03

So I wouldn't say I have low self esteem, I have an average level of confidence.
If I am seeing someone and I'm not fussed on them and they start messing me about or being flaky, inconsistent etc, then I am able to either block them or just never contact them again. As I never had feelings for them.

However if it's someone I really fancy and/or have a connection with, it's like my bar suddenly goes to just above ground level and I will put up with utter BS just because I like them and don't want to stop seeing them. I will give them third and sometimes fourth chances, I will make excuses for their cancelling of dates or going off the radar for days.
What the hell is wrong with me? I know the right thing to do and the thing I would be advising a friend is to bin them off, block , ignore , end it etc.
However I can't seem to do this and so my boundaries with men that I like are pretty dire.
I don't consider myself to have low self esteem and I'm also not desperate, if I don't fancy someone after a couple of dates , then I will tell them in a nice way, I won't keep seeing them just to have someone.
Also if a friend messed me about , I wouldn't tolerate it. Can someone please explain why I let men I like treat me in a sub standard way?

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Lemonfoxtrot · 27/12/2023 11:58

Nothingbuttheglory · 26/12/2023 15:59

Why are my boundaries so shit with men I like?

Tell us about your dad.

I get that our relationships with parents/ close family members can really affect how we approach relationships, but I sometimes think we can over egg this. ( and I say this as someone whose relationship with their dad has badly affected my choice of partners!)

We are social animals who crave acceptance. We are socially conditioned to find a partner and for that to be ‘normal’. No wonder we sometimes act ‘irrationally’ .

Im going to sound a bit of man- hater here, but there’s a lot of emotionally shut off/ fucked up men out there. Even the best of men have a lot of internalised misogyny that makes them think that their romantic relationships revolve around their needs.

so few men actually reach the bar of acceptable behaviour that when you find one who looks like he might be worthy, we cling on more.

I think if I had waited to meet a man who treated me as a true equal, I’d still be virgin!

Didimum · 27/12/2023 13:15

Are you guilty of script writing? (We all are to a certain extent, but some moreso in some areas than others).

The vast majority of us develop the habit of script writing our life – we will have magical childhoods, we will experience fun and abandon in our teens and young adulthood with only mild consequences, will may have minor heartbreaks but that will only lead us to an ultimate love where we find deep fulfilment, respect and sexual satisfaction. We will have children that reflect the best of ourselves and they will grow into well-rounded adults. We will live out our days in comfortable finances, surrounded by friends and family and then die, quickly and comfortably surrounded by those we love.

What we don’t script write is the disasters and pain that inevitably come for all of us. We see is something that has gone ‘wrong’ that interrupts our scripts, rather than the script itself.

And every day we script write on a smaller scale – the perfect Christmas Day, a wonderful date night, a great birthday, a fun-filled weekend with the kids, and so on.

So when you meet someone you really like and fancy, you script write what should be because you like them so much – they will be attentive and respectful, they are a good person and will develop deep feelings for you, your interactions will be romantic and meaningful and lustful and, above all, your feelings will be mutual. And you do this scripting because you’re looking for all of that in the bigger script of your life – which may or may not have gone to plan and that you may be trying to correct, because in some ways it may have gone ‘wrong’.

It’s all subconscious of course, so extremely difficult to counteract. But there is no script. The only lovely things you see in your future are projected by you and don’t really exist – they may happen by chance or because they are influenced by you.

It can be helpful to consciously recognise when you might be doing the above. When you say you think about them 24/7, what are you thinking about? Are you daydreaming of ideal interactions together, and then looking forward to them happening? (And then inevitably disappointed when they don’t happen?). Ask yourself in the moment whether you are script writing and casting this man, whoever he is, in that role (but you don’t really know him, so he can’t actually fulfil that role). Then try to actively recognise that the only thing that really exists and has really happened is the now and the past. If he isn’t fulfilling what you think he should be NOW, then whoever you have projected doesn’t exist.

Because you like him so much and have written this script, you will be tempted to give them and yourself do overs, or multiple takes, to get it right, to fulfil your script.

If you do this, you are not really influencing your ideal script to come to pass, you are only influencing yourself to repeatedly accept ‘unscripted’ behaviour and teaching him that you will continue accepting it.

Whyamilikethis41 · 27/12/2023 14:06

@Didimum thank you so much , that is all very helpful and true. I obviously script write a lot when I meet someone I really like. I am going to save your post as there is a lot of worthwhile advice in it and will come back to it for reference

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Didimum · 27/12/2023 14:53

Whyamilikethis41 · 27/12/2023 14:06

@Didimum thank you so much , that is all very helpful and true. I obviously script write a lot when I meet someone I really like. I am going to save your post as there is a lot of worthwhile advice in it and will come back to it for reference

I think being a limerant person can also be to blame, which is tied up with the above. When you meet someone you like, is your mood defined by how they interact with you? Are you elated when they throw you positive attention and devastated when they don’t?

And does ‘uncertainty’ kick that into overdrive? Rather than uncertainty over feelings being a dealbreaker, for a limerant person, uncertainty or confusion over whether someone likes you only creates the opportunity for them to prove they like you. And more confusion will only spiral into giving them multiple opportunities to give you that proof.

It takes constant attention to break this, including not daydreaming 10 steps ahead, taking pause to assess whether the qualities you like in a person are being proven by this particular person repeatedly (not just once!), or whether you are just filling in the blanks. Don’t give yourself the opportunity to focus on just one limerant object.

Snacx · 27/12/2023 14:54

I think bring them back to earth a bit, make it a task to dee their flaws and ask: would I put up with a less attractive or sccessful guy treating me this way? And start believing that yes, although we need to compromise in a relationship and nobody is perfect but that compromise should never be on things like respect and kindness are non negotioable no matter how hot he is. I think just being aware of the tendency to idolise those guys, force yourself to notice their imperfections to humanise them a bit and to compare how they are treating you if it were by someone else or if it were happening to your best friend or sister that you adore, would you tell her he's an arsehole? It will be hard but force yourself to do it. In the long run bending backwards to those guys will make you so unhappy because they never appreciate it, they will just stomp more over you and actually guys who are a 'catch' are so used to women fawning over them, I don't think they respect or appreciate all the sacrifices. You can meet a guy who you fancy AND treats you well, the compromise has to be something other than your non negotiables eg respect of your boundaries.

Whyamilikethis41 · 27/12/2023 16:30

@Didimum 100 percent. I am elated when I see a message from the person I really like and devastated when they let me down or start backing off. My anxiety starts to go through the roof. I don't chase them however , so they don't actually know that inside I'm dying.
However when they come back to me after being distant or unreliable, I guess I'm so relieved they came back and don't want to give up on them that I give them another chance .
I have had guys lose interest in me before that I wasn't bothered about and I was fine with it. However when it's someone I like, it's a completely different story and can take me a ridiculous amount of time to get over someone I was only out on a few dates with

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Whyamilikethis41 · 27/12/2023 19:55

@Snacx the guy I'm currently really into has shown me twice now that he doesn't respect my time , he is flaky as well. If this was a regular guy that I was indifferent about, I would just walk away and throw him back in the sea.
You are so right . I have seen character traits in this person that I don't like, he is showing me who he is. I need to stop romanticizing him as it's total fiction, he is not any of the things I actually wanted in a person , yes he's good looking , funny, good job but his character is questionable. He leaves me on read for hours, he has cancelled a couple of dates,

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Watchkeys · 27/12/2023 20:04

Whyamilikethis41 · 26/12/2023 16:08

My parents were very attentive to me and still are even though I'm in my 40s

There will be something in the way they raised you that made your feelings secondary rather than top priority. They won't have done it on purpose, and I'm sure they love you very much, and that you have a good relationship with them now, but the reason you behave and feel the way you do now isn't innate, it's learned. And we learn how to have relationships when we're growing up.

Have you got siblings? How d'you get on with them?

Whyamilikethis41 · 27/12/2023 20:20

@Watchkeys I had a sister who had all sorts of issues and my mum spent a lot of time helping her , I do remember feeling jealous and always felt she was the favorite. I don't feel that way now but I definitely did in my teens when it was at its peak.

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Whyamilikethis41 · 27/12/2023 20:22

Just want to add that I appreciate so much everyone of you who has contributed to this thread to help me work out why I'm like this.
Honestly yous are better than any therapist!

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Watchkeys · 27/12/2023 20:29

That'll be it. So, you were trained to feel that someone else's feelings were more important than yours, and that you needed to put your feelings aside.

It doesn't really matter about intentions or how much love there was, when it comes to attachment. Parents can do their absolute utmost for their child, and love them to pieces, but if there's illness or death or other disruption in the family, things get in the way of it, and then we learn that, when things get in the way of us receiving love, we have to put our feelings on the back burner, and cope, until the love comes back.

Whyamilikethis41 · 27/12/2023 20:44

@Watchkeys wow, I never thought that it affected my relationships but maybe it has subconsciously. I basically had an older sister who was always getting into trouble and my mum spent a lot of time with her and doing stuff for her and basically trying to help her. It was more prevalent in my teenage years and so I definitely felt a bit irrelevant and like my mum was more invested and interested in my sister

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