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My DM - not really sure how to proceed

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drspouse · 25/12/2023 18:25

For background, DS is 11 and has SEN and can be aggressive. Ignoring him is absolutely key. We do our best and we are trying to train DD who is 9 to be more "whatever" as well. DM has always been critical of me but I realise it's what she's like with everything. A friend who doesn't call back must hate her, etc. She and my DF divorced when I was 20, and she always compares me to the worst characteristics she perceives in him. I'm cold, rude etc etc according to her.

Other background info, the DCs are adopted and have lost two birth family members in the last year. We don't want to lose anyone else. She favours DD but DS has very few people he likes to spend time with outside the family and he's keen to see her (as is DD). I'm trying to push other friends/relatives to come and stay in small numbers (we only have one local friend who will spend time with him).

She's been to stay for a few days (went home on Sat). I've done my best to be calm with her and DS but lost my rag after I hadn't slept and everyone was running around madly chucking the supermarket delivery everywhere even though I had a plan. I apologised to everyone. We also had a nice evening at the theatre.

Two other things that come to mind: the DCs were supposed to be getting ready for school in separate rooms, but instead were both messing about. DS started pushing DD etc and we told her to go out of the room and we'd deal with it (probably by standing in the same room and not talking to him). She refused and we told her again. My DM started ranting about how we shouldn't be telling her off, we should be talking to him. We both said in unison DON'T TALK TO HIM.

Second one was DD and DM and I were going out but DS has been getting a lot of attention from DH and DD by getting in the car and climbing on them when he's not actually going out but they are trying to get away on time. My strategy is get DD in the car and lock the door, DM wasn't ready so I waited in the car, but she came out and couldn't get in but then DS climbed on the bonnet and she started going on about how she couldn't get in and why had I locked it and what was I doing (trying to keep everyone safe).

Eventually she got in the car and told me the way I speak to people is disgusting and also the programme I was listening to was idiotic. This is just standard and I get this almost every time I see her. Every time I speak to her I'm shouting or rude etc, and whatever we choose to do is not to her taste (e.g. she won't come and see films the DCs like because they aren't what she wants to see, I mean, I don't want to see Trolls 3 either but surely you do that to spend time with the DGCs?). I try and grit my teeth but it's just so wearing and all my deep breathing is worn out with DS anyway. DH finds her really hard work though he's the golden son in law!

She's already stormed out of our house more than once because of how horrible I am apparently to her.

I feel like we have so few relatives (small family, nobody really wants to spend time with DS and he finds crowds hard) but I'm clearly struggling to be polite to her. I'm not quite sure of my question - anyone got any ideas?

Ironically we got on better in lockdown because we could do short video calls but she lives too far for an afternoon or coffee or lunch, or taking DD out after school etc.

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Sparkletastic · 25/12/2023 19:13

You are trying too hard and spending too much time with her. She isn't supportive of you or your parenting therefore she isn't a good person for you or you or kids to be around.

Eekmystro · 25/12/2023 19:34

Sparkletastic · 25/12/2023 19:13

You are trying too hard and spending too much time with her. She isn't supportive of you or your parenting therefore she isn't a good person for you or you or kids to be around.

This. Stop trying to force the type of relationship that she will never be able to provide for you or your children. You’ll be better off without her input that with the minuscule positives she brings at the moment. If I were you I would go low contact with her and only have the sort of contact that works for you and your family. You’ve already seen through lockdown that lower contact is better.

Well done for being such a good advocate for your adopted child. Sadly some people won’t be helpful in your parenting and it sounds like your mum is one of those unhelpful people.

tokesqueen · 25/12/2023 19:38

Just see less of her.

RandomMess · 25/12/2023 19:43

How would it work if one parent and one child alternated going to visit her?

Your sanity comes first every time!

Justmuddlingalong · 25/12/2023 19:47

So she's rude, insulting, undermining, huffy, selfish and upsetting.
However small your family /friendship group is, cutting back spending time with someone like your DM can only make life that wee bit better.
Short infrequent visits are the way to go. Cut them even shorter if she starts her pish.

hattie43 · 25/12/2023 19:49

I feel a bit sorry for the whole family dynamic . She is negotiating her way around a difficult grandkid who in turn makes everyone stressed so are not reacting well to her finding her feet with him .

Vinrouge4 · 25/12/2023 20:18

She obviously thinks your son is hard work and maybe she is justified? I don't think you should keep pushing your children on her as it doesn't seem to be making anybody very happy.

Fernsfernsferns · 25/12/2023 20:27

If the lockdown formula of short video calls worked better, go back to that?

my difficult relatives (in laws) we’ve found a formula that works and we stick firmly to that.

they are not a source of support or help but we’ve leant into repeating things that do work and avoiding things that don’t

HerMammy · 25/12/2023 20:34

I'm trying to push other friends/relatives to come and stay in small numbers
Why? tbf your DS sounds incredibly difficult, 11 yr old and climbing on people in cars and onto the bonnet, can you not see why ppl don't want to visit? He's your son and you find him hard work, why are you trying to force people to visit you? it only leads to resentment.

drspouse · 25/12/2023 21:18

@HerMammy you have a point but the other relatives are younger (e.g. my younger brother) and we've helped with their DCs before we had ours, and DS can't learn to have positive relationships with others if he never sees anyone. Currently he literally only sees us and teachers, and occasionally my DF, who he really looks up to and tries to be on best behaviour. We need more people like that in his life and he needs to rely on us less.
Also I'd like to see more of the positive people in my life and I'm only going to see them if they come here - the DCs quite like travelling but most of our friends and relatives don't have space for us all.

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drspouse · 25/12/2023 21:21

Also thanks all for sympathy - it's a very hard situation to be in - I feel I've tried to be calm and polite and just end up on edge and therefore not calm.

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drspouse · 29/12/2023 09:50

Various messages keep arriving about unsuitable or unavailable ways to "cure" our DS. I am ignoring. From history though she gets very annoyed and repeatedly messages me when I don't reply within hours.

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Octavia64 · 29/12/2023 10:49

We had similar circumstances when my kids were young.

Things that worked for us:

Short visits from relatives as then both sides could cope

Meeting up in neutral locations for a walk/National trust place etc

drspouse · 01/01/2024 11:25

I do really need to find somewhere neutral we can both reach!
She's now emailed DD (who is 9) saying she wants to come and visit again. I explained to DD that Granny likes to try and arrange things for other people without asking them and that it's not DD job to answer that.
Given she thinks I'm so horrible, I'm not sure why she wants to come.

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FictionalCharacter · 01/01/2024 11:39

Don't have her to stay. She doesn't even seem to like you. Keep her visits short if you really want her to visit you.

drspouse · 19/01/2024 21:42

Latest is she's asked to come and stay on a weekend when my DB has rented a cottage nearby (but too small for her)
Do I just say "sorry not convenient" or "why would you want to stay given you told me how awful I am last time you were here".

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Octavia64 · 19/01/2024 21:48

Sorry not convenient.

Always be polite if you can, no point starting a row. But at the same time hold that boundary if that's the boundary you have decided on.

drspouse · 24/01/2024 09:45

She's bringing in the flying monkeys (sorry for the brain dump).
My DD (who is 9) said something mildly cross in an email to her (she should try her when she's having a screaming fit due to being asked to do her maths/tidy her room/go to bed!) and apparently she rung my brother upset which my brother had to pass on to me and suggest I apologise to her.

I'm afraid I told my brother DM needs to be less sensitive as DD is 9, FGS, but I need a good phrase for my brother next time our mum tries to use him as a go between.

She's tried to do this with me when DB was not flavour of the month and I was, I never passed on her displeasure. But it's up to him whether he does or not, obviously.

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Octavia64 · 24/01/2024 11:56

A phrase you could use is

"I'm really sorry but I feel this is an issue between me and mum. I appreciate your thoughts but I think it is best resolved between the two of us".

drspouse · 12/03/2024 22:18

Has all been fairly calm with one day trip and a bit of cats bum mouth around, well, not sure what.
In a stunning display of lack of insight she is apparently desperate to come and stay with us. I've suggested a zoo visit half way but it's too far for her for a day. Why does she want to come and stay if she hates us so much?

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